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since i already have a thread i may as well inquire further; are there any good remedies for this abdominal region pain from all that puking?  anything OTC or an anti-acid or muscle stretches or something?  I'll be going back to my summer job for the duration of winter break in a 3 or 4 days  and i'd like to try and get past it by then.  

It's been 4 days since the event, and its dulled most of the way, but still gives me trouble once in a while.  Yesterday it was almost 100% fine, even when i went for a light jog.   It was achie today [probably] because I pulled an all nighter last night for a morning final exam and just caught a few irregular naps.  it is somewhat better now though.  would it be stomach/intestinal soreness from being so overworked, or is it something else?  it's mostly localized to my torso's left lower side (about where the large intestine is and sorta opposite the liver i think) and some in my back directly behind it.  

i tried searching google for good side effects of heavy vomiting but all i can find are lists of side effects for other substances that include vomiting.   i've been getting far to little sleep the past few days due to studying for finals, so i'm sure that doesn't help, but i'll be done with that after Thursday.  

you guys sure were right.  they really should have been the ones restraining me        but if anyone has advice i'd be very grateful (-:

I got ahold of the ER office and they let me talk to a doctor who was in at the time.  I described the situation to him as accurately as I could including the warnings/dangers I read on different web sites, and he had quite the same reaction as you guys.  He said that if I'm just a little sore but I'm improving and my brain is working fine, he can't see any possible damage worth writing home about that could have occured, and that its out of my system and done with any reactions that were possible.  He agreed the things mentioned on sites I found are definately possible, but rarely ever became an issue except in big doses and on a regular basis.  

If I ever decide to recreate this tea/experience, I now have a better idea of the pace to drink it at and how fast your system absorbs it.  I was having a really enjoyable time in the lower stages of its effects, so I might repeat it at that level.  However, I still will make sure to get a thorough list of substances/medications that MAOIs are not to be mixed with and go over it with anyone else who is going to try it with my assistance/direction, even if it does seem relatively harmless in these doses.  


So I guess lesson learned... have a solid knowledge base on something unusual you want to try, and don't puke constantly for over an hour :lol:

btw, I had to look up the word hypochondriac :roll: , but yes I would say that does describe me, atleast with things like this.  My parents have been pharmacists for years, my father is in treatment for recently discovered early stages of prostate cancer (thank God for which they caught), and I have a handful of relatives with livers way older than they are.  I suppose these sorts of things in my upbringing and life have made me somewhat on the paranoid side about what I put into my body.


either way, thank you all for the helpful responses.  I'll hold them close  
-Jon

before i begin, let me fully express my awareness that my actions were rather impulsive and downright stupid.  i did not do enough research on the topic before indulging.  i'm currently doing fine and eating, thinking, and breathing without trouble, and i'm thankful it wasn't worse and i didn't have to have an emergency vehicle dispatched for me.  if restraint from telling me how irresponsible i am tooo much could be practiced in replies i'd be most greatful.  thank you.

a friend of mine found a recipe on erowid.org for a tea of Syrian Rue seeds and Mimosa Hostilis root bark as a halucinogen and wanted to give it a try since both ingredients are legal to purchase and posess here (United States).  I read a couple experience reports and more similar recipes from other sites and it seemed like a reasonable thing to try.  we brewed a batch of it in a french press and we each (3 of us total) had around 1.5 or 2 pretty strong teacups full.  for me, the effects began about 30 minutes later with loss of motor control and laughing and feeling energetic.  my heart rate went up, not dangerously so, but from around 70 to 100 bpm when i was standing/walking around the room.  i started bumping into furniture and walls at this point, and it basically continued until the effects were done.

the recipes we looked at seemed to assume you would naturally throw the mix up in 30 minutes or so, but it never happened for me.  soon, the effects started increasing, and my sense of who and what i was started to dissolve.  maybe it just wasn't my thing, or maybe it was a bad setting, but i did not like the effects at all and freaked out.  i went to the toilet and induced vomitting myself.  i did this several more times, some of the times with stuff coming out, others sort of dry heaving or just not getting a strong gag reflex off at all.  in the next hour and a half or so, i was in such a panic over the whole situation that i went and continued to cause the gag reflex quite a few more times.  hardly any of them resulted in anything coming up, but at the time i had such a strong sense that something was not right and that i just had to get out of the trip that i kept doing it until the effects began to subside.  looking back on that scene i was being completely insane and using no rationale at all.  i went to bed and didn't really sleep very well cause i was still fairly energetic from it.

the next day (yesterday) i woke up with my head and neck somewhat sore, and a decent amount of abdominal and chest pain.  someone mentioned something about the hazards of MAOIs, and i went to read into the topic.  hazardous substances to combine them with included some psycoactives, certain OTC and/or prescription meds, alcohol, and cheese.  side effects listed included the pains that i was experiencing.  naturally this has me all stirred up with concern about if i've damaged my body in a way that should have medical attention.  

i had not had any alcohol in me for over 24 hours before, so that was a releif.  i might have had cheese on a sandwhich or something earlier that day, but no more than a slice or 2.  i had taken my dose of adderall xr that morning (we didn't start consuming the tea until past 1 in the morning... so i'd taken it a good 12 hours+ prior).  my friend (also sober) who had the initial idea to do this enjoyed the effects, and he only puked 1 time naturally from his stomach being dissatisfied.  my other friend, who had about the same amount as us (maybe a tiny bit less), consumed his while fairly intoxicated (i didn't know this at the time, or i wouldn't have allowed it!), and he didn't puke at all.  neither of them have experienced any of the aches and pains that i have, or any of the others listed as possible side effects of improper use of MAOIs that i could find.  my head and neck soreness was slowly subsiding throughout yesterday, and today it is 95 to 99 % gone.  the chest and stomach soreness is still there, but it is subsiding as well.  i still get a fair amount of pain when i engage my muscles down there to try and pass gas (not sure which they are), and coughing gives a somewhat sharp pain in my chest.  swallowing hard still causes a bit of discomfort, but not much.  i've taken 500mg of tylenol every 8 to 12 hours or so which helped some.

i don't know if i've ever puked as much as i did that night, either naturally or intentionally, but when i do, i usually do have atleast some soreness.  this is primarily what has me guessing and hoping that my aches are a result of all this puking and attempted puking and dry heaving and running into things and falling over etc, not of organ damage i've done.  I did contact the emergency room department of the local hospital and left a message on their machine describing the situation with my name and number, so i'm waiting to hear back from them also.  i guess i'm currently just searching for some reassurance and peace of mind (or a "go to the hospital you idiot!").  

so ya, anybody with knowledge on this topic, or even this recipe specifically, i'd much appreciate anything you have to offer.

its the input I've been yearning for someone to properly put.  A third reference point.  It is very real when salvia uses your mind, but scary when your mind doesnt want to leave that third point.

i've actually noticed more that the personality that i know as myself (the regular me) can get kinda resistant (i think the entire human condition is based on resistance and concious or subconcous desire for confrontation) by the third perspective thinking.  Like i'll be thinking about things in said 3rd perspective, quickly and easily admitting the best answers to the issues in mind, but i recognize that its happening and that it isn't the normal me.  I'm learning to be more patient and listen to what it has to say more than i used to, but i don't think i will ever find solace in listening to myself think these 3rd person thoughts to the point where i would want to stay in it.  It (the 3rd person perspective) may not be my best friend, but it is a teacher, and a good one at that.

your right, i did not.  my ride on the wheel in the sky was my most intense trip thus far, but it was a bit startling.  Next time i trip, i'll go another hit further than this time.  That will probably be the last of my 5x,  then i'll get on to the 10 and so on.  

I think the reason i'm still liking salvia, unlike most people i know who have tried it (who think its evil and it should die), is cause i've been cautious to not push myself to far to fast.  A friend of mine has worked up to 20x and really has a good handle on his trips.  But thats all he has, so when someone wants to try it, they think they can handle this stuff and take massive rips of it.  I've heard everything from straight up blacking out, to "I THOUGHT I WAS GOING TO BE SUCKED INTO THE COUCH FOREVER" to "THERE WERE DEMONS CHASING ME" (we still give him hell about this one... when he came out of it, he was sitting on the pavement in rain water, apparently in his attempt to cleanse himself of the demons)


but ya, like i said, a good starting point for people who are new to it and nervous.  Kinda like the bunny slope when you go skiing  

if you've read my other thread, you have an idea of what this is about already.  The trip in discussion here was done with standardized 5x salvia.

I was in the middle of taking my hit(s) for a trip the other evening, and i noticed something, sort of by accident, that i found interesting and thought others on here who are in a similar situation might benefit from trying it.

It had been a while since i'd smoked anything (i don't smoke cigarettes and only occasionally smoke other 'herbs') and i was having trouble taking really big hits and holding them for the recommended 30 seconds.  I was taking what would probably be considered half volume hits and holding them for 15-20 seconds.  

I took my first one, closed my eyes and relaxed for maybe 30 seconds, and started getting some fairly vivid closed eye visuals of upside down disposable plastic cups of different colors dancing and chanting in different formations with a slightly taunting but still light hearted (a lot like in allice in wonderland) attitude toward me.  

I opened my eyes to find things totally normal still, made sure i had my coordination, and picked up the bong and took another similar sized hit.  Closed my eyes and relaxed for about the same time.  The visuals got much more vivid as well as detailed and bizaare in formations.  I started getting mild physical sensations in sync w/the visuals, where i felt like i was being jostled side to side by an impatient dance instructor trying to get me to keep up with the rest of the group.  At this point, it was getting very interesting and amusing, but i guess because i was taking it in steps, i was somehow able to control it moderately by thinking about what i'd like to see happen.  It usually wasn't exactly what i had in mind, but it atleast had it taken into account.

Opened my eyes again for a reality check.  Things were a little out of whack this time, sort of animated looking and slanted, but i still had my motor skills and i was still aware of where i was.  With my eyes open, i didn't get jostled either.  So i went and grabbed the bong again, and hit it until it was completely spent.  I put away my keys wallet phone and lighter so i wasn't holding anything in my hands or pockets, leaned back my seat so i was comfortable, and closed my eyes again.  For some reason, i was seeing large flying slightly translucent cubes instead of The cupsat the moment, but they returned.  They spontaniously changed into Peter Griffens (from Family Guy) and back, sort of by my wishes.  By the time they returned, the jostling had become full fledged movement, and i was a part of their crazy dances and formations, going back and forth, side to side, up and down, flips, etc. etc.  This platue of it lasted for a good 10 minutes or so (as opposed to 5 like it seems they usually do) , disappaiting very slowly with no feelings of alarm at the end.

I'm no salvia-naut by any means yet, and i think that if i'd gone straight to this final level of my trip without the progressions, it would have likely scared me pretty good.  This might not be the most efficient use of the substance, as far as getting the most tripped out per gram, but i think its a good way to go for people who are pretty new to it.

i doubt anyone here except members of fairly long ago remember who i am, but i used to post here, probably over a year ago.  A series of unfortunate events dragged me away.

For starters, when i originally came on here, I had registered when i was "underage" because the idea of salvia fascinated me and i didn't want to wait until i was 18 to learn about it.

I had been tending a couple plants in my room, at the time it was mostly just cause i enjoyed watching how fast they grew and watching them branch out and all.  Around the same time, i was helping a friend grow MJ in his basement (both of these were in our parents houses, heh).  Through a lot of immature mistakes, we were found out on that, which lead my keepers to look into what the plants in my room were.  I'm not entirely sure what literature they read, but they promptly made me throw it all out )=  

Those events pretty much burried my interest in deep thought psychoactives for the time being.  To that day, I had used the leaves from my plants 2 times, 1 with nothing but closed eye visuals, and 1 with nothing but a slight feeling that something was different.

So now i'm 18 going on 19, in college studying engineering, with a more level head for responsability and maturity.  I get my work done before i go out and have fun, and I keep it limited to the weekends.  I'm at KU, in Lawrence KS.  If you know anything about it, its kind of a hippie place, so they have a great "herbs" shop here.  They sell pretty much any psycoactive herb thats legal (and a few that aren't so much heh) you could want.  I've currently got their 5x and 10x standardized salvia extracts.

I've used them 4 times now from time to time, all of which gave trips and results that i would not call "negative".  Some were suprising and thrilling, but i have yet to regret using it.  

#1 ... 1 big hit of 5x (bong).  

I got the sensation of sinking into my seat that i was in, with a little bit of a rocking motion.  I got the random laughter effect, and went to bed a few minutes after the main part of the trip was over.  In bed, i had trippy thoughts and dreams all night.  I also see what the term "teacher plant" means now.  Throughout the night, it helped me a lot to sort out an issue that had been on my mind quite a bit lately.  That night my thinking did a 180.  I just had a much more rational and logical perspective on the issue on my mind, and when i woke up, i went and did what it made me think was the better choice, and its been the better choice so far.

#2 ... 2 big hits of 5x (bong).  I sat back and relaxed, closed my eyes, and opened them, only to see the genie from Disney's Aladin about 100' in front of the car we were sitting in (it was parked in a quiet area don't worry lol).  I found this interesting, and kept watching him, and his tail (or whatever you call it) started growing in a wavy pattern up and down across my field of vision.  Next, he multiplied into 50-100 or so genies in a circular pattern up into the air.  Next thing i knew, the car we were in multiplied equal the # of times the genie did and in the same pattern... up into the air, and i went with it!  As i looked down on the multitude of toyota corollas, i noticed the back halves of them were gone, and the passenger door gone, and the inside illuminated beautifully.  I was about halfway up the wheel (seemed like about 60' above the ground), looking down on the yard around the parking lot, and then the yard disappeared.  I felt like i was trying to hold on, like things were moving really fast, but the wheel was hardly even turning.  At the time, it seemed almost normal that i was riding a ferris wheel of cars in the midst of absolute void.  The house was gone, the yard was gone, the other cars in the lot were gone.  Rather awe inspiring.  As i came down from it, i got a little freaked out because it started to seem more and more absurd that i felt like i was in the air in a floating car.  I found myself yelling excitedly as i returned to the only car that was real... the one on the ground.  It had a rocking sensation (like a ferris wheel car when the wheel had stopped)  for a good few minutes.  Again, the uncontrollable laughter.  After this, i went right to bed, and had the same trippy dream and thought state for a good part of the night.  Again, a difficult issue in my life was almost entirely resolved during this thought state.  This trip was pretty intense, and seemed a little heavy when it happened, but i did enjoy it, looking back now.

#3 ... A small hit of 5x (pipe).  

I went easy on this one, as i'd been drinking some and did not want to freak out.  I got some closed eye visuals, and a lot of good laughs, and some pixelation of my vision in the afterglow.  I had a very good nights sleep, with some mild trippy thoughts, but not like the other ones.  

#4 ... 2.5 big hits of 5x (bong w/water)

This was my favorite one so far.  I was a lot more relaxed by now cause i'd done it a few times, so i just took my hits and put the bong aside and stretched out a bit and chilled.  I closed my eyes, and my field of closed eye vision began to get filled up with upside down disposable plastic cups of different colors.  They had purple faces, slightly mocking but pretty harmless seeming.  There must have been a few thousand.  Everything around myself and them was a soft comforting yellow hue.  They formed all sorts of different configurations and patterns, from pyramids to cubes to lines, and then they started dancing and chanting.  I only felt the chanting, couldn't hear it.  Then they brought me on board.  At the time, the way i thought of it was "I'm telling you, theyre mobilizing me as part of some great adventure in movement".  I don't think i became a cup, but i was brought in with them as part of the different formations, dancing (i felt like i was soaring upside down adn side to side and everything) and stomping and chanting).

This trip lasted a good 10 minutes like this, because i had taken the hits slower, with a good 20 seconds in between each one.  Slower absorbtion i guess.  

Once i was grounded enough to get up, i went to my friends room and told him about it, bursting out laughing and rolling on the floor in the process.  He'd been interested in trying salvia for a while, so i stayed by him as a sitter while he did.  He must have been paranoid... he thought there were smurfs coming for us from the chinese resteraunt nearby and that there were bees crawling all over his body.  He laughed non stop about it and made crazy hand motions because of it... To be totally honest he looked exactly like Hunter S Thompson at the beginning of Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas, swatting at things in the air that were not there.  I was still glowing while he did this, and had a great time watching him flail around and laugh about the bees and smurfs.  Not sure about him, but i slept like a baby once again... a good 11 hours.


So thats my walk with sally so far, and i've liked it.  Once i use up the rest of my 5x, i'll start using the 10x.  

Sorry this was such a long read.  Hope somebody enjoys it though.

(btw, my name is no longer valid... i'm not growing any salvia plants right now, but i didn't feel like trying to create a new account for the time being)