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Thank you for the Edit.

Lw: Less pissed than hurt really, but I'm sure it's all the same to some. Seriously though, had nothing to do with the request. I'm sure you wouldn't want me to post the town you live in or your occupation on a publicly viewable ethnobotanical forum, right?

Anyway I should have JRL taken care of soon, so there is no real need for this thread to stay active...

I do.

They are cheap effective, and also untested on human beings. The latter being the only real drawback.

A lot of people register *just* to do trades, with no real intention of contributing otherwise.

A-J has proven himself to be honest time and over again.

P.s. can we get a mod in here to edit Lw's last post?

That's a lot more personal info than one member should ever give about another. I know the person in question would not like to have that much personal info posted about him publicly.

Yes, it's the same guy.

Let me know how I can help, JRL. I'd be happy to pass along whatever you'd like me to.

And yeah, he is a very good friend of mine. Been there for me through a lot of good and bad times alike. Nothing but good things to say of the guy.

Did you get admin approval to post this?

Posting of cash sales without permission from the admin/mod team is generally considered spam.

You have to get approval first. Unless the rules have changed during my absence... that's how I remember it anyway.

Seeds are the only part of the plant that is legal, and only for culinary purposes or decorative purposes, once germinated the grower would be breaking the law, however as I stated earlier, this law (poppy cultivation) is very rarely enforced.

In a couple cases local LEO just politely requested home owners to remove the illegal poppy plant from their garden.

It's the gospel truth, with no need for elaboration inho.

It is illegal to cultivate opium poppy and the sentence canbe as long as 20 years, maybe more. There was actually some Hmong family that were arrested not really very far from here.

I know from another local bust a few years back that if opium poppies (dred in this case) are found during a raid for other drugs, that there will be a separate charge for posession of opium poppy. Don't know the mximum prison sentense for that, though.

It is illegal, technically, for nurseries and even Wal Mart, to sell papaver somniferum seeds intended for cultivation, and supposedly the government is beginning to put pressure on some of these companies to stop, though I would doubt Wal Mart is on that short list.

Oh yeah the seeds in the other thread definitely bear ruffled samaras!

Is this the plant they are referring to as "Chaliponga"?

Either way, I am happy to see that if it hasn't actually been found, that you guys are atleast getting much, much closer! you're the only people we have in the right area to find the plant

So thank you for all your efforts!

Namaste.

Caapi eedusuallytakes somewhere from 7-16 days, soI'm thinking he is probably just beginning to see sprouts... or should be soon.

I'll give him a holler. Think I might already ave it covered, but maybe not...

There's a Pisgah, IA? I didn't know that...

Nice to see you here, my good friend. I gots a PBR with your name on it!

Please post pics of the new DC seeds after collecting them. If they bare those ruffled samaras I was talking about, I would be quite happy!

Alfonso - First I just want to make clear that I do not think that either you or AJ are intentionally misrepresenting your plant as something it is not.

Okay, that said, go to the second link that I posted and you will see (after some searching through it) that the botanists at harvard (a very prestigious US school) have identifired D. cab as having a 'ruffled' samara, or wing. That, and other references to it having a ruffled samara are what I am basing my posts on.

In fact, the only references I have seen to the shape of the seed of D. cab are to ruffled wings attached to a single seed.

That link is full of english scientific terms which can be hard for even us native english speakers to decipher, just as a warning.

I don't think at all that you or AJ are lying about the plant. I just cannot accept a plant bearing flat winged seeds as D. cab after what I have read and researched in the past week. I know it may be hard to accept that I think my one week of research negates what is essentially generations of local history of the shamans you are currently or were previously working with, but I would not state it as fact if I were not absolutely convinced of it being absolutely true.


I also own a small business that deals in locating, identifying, propagating and selling of ethnobotanical plants. A mistake that big on my part would definitely cause my customers present past and future to doubt my knowledge and abilities. I would not want that at all!

Namaste.

Whatever it is it isn't Diplopterys cabrerana. That is a fact. It cannoty be Diplopterys cabrerana because it does not bear seed with ruffled samaras.

So call it "chaliponga", call it "Chacruna" call it "DMT bearing vine" but you absolutely must not and cannot call it Diplopterys cabrerana. If you do it is going to lead to a whole new era of misidentification here in the US.

The plant if being called "Diplopterys cabrerana" at any point after this would not only be a misidentifiaction, but a deliberate misrepresentation, which is totally unacceptable.

Please, anyone who brings this plant to market in the US, please do not ever refer to it as D. cab. It woukld be fine to call it "Chaliponga", but only if you actually used the quote tags and a description explaining that this is a plant, which although not Being D. cabrerana, is referred to as chaliponga by the Shipbo people. I apologize for misspelling that. I am sure someone will correct that error.

Stop referring to it as D. cab (which is a scientific designation that does not fit this plant) and start referring to it as "Chaliponga". I am not sure if I will come across as clearly as I would like by saying it should be called quotation chaliponga end quotation, but I have done the best I can do for the moment and hopefully another member will be able to put into terms more easily understood by non-English-as-a-first-language-speaking peoples.

It's not D. cab. It CANNOT be D. cab. That I hope I am clear on.


It is actually very important that we are picky about this, even if it comes across as beating a dead horse.

Iam still very interested in acquiring this plant myself. It is definiitely a plant of great interest!