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Sorry, I am not a servant.  At least i try not to be, as much as i'm allowed.
I think i understand your reasons, canonize this culture of light so you're no longer marginalized? It's really respectable, being able to form a comunity without being persecuted.  Maybe with organization and movilization, you could accomplish some of that.  How did peyote way and the native american church get their "permit" to use these sacraments? Maybe you should start from there to find exactly what you're looking for, it sounds more like a community than a church of god. Do you seek freedom?
Concioussness is above all things, if you wish to call her god or however, fine by me, but don't buy mailboxes: if it wasn't for you (us) those plants wouldn't have any effect, nor would they be sacred, you make them that way. I learnt that while talking to a plant and every insect always sang to corroborate.

just the opposite, it's much more common.  Self-transforming elf-machines (?) are a lot stranger than cristianity.  Stranger is not in the same realm as "less real", each as real in each case.  I personally don't agree with brainwashing, i'd rather believe in intermitent beams of energy joining every cell in each plant with the sky above, the unicity, the all-relate, than believe what someone whoever was taught in church and then pumped me full of entheogens and taught me.
Each walks his road his own way, being induced to believing something, is also a way.  I just don't support it, nor do i support anyone who tries to make people join a church, evangelics or peyotists.  I was simply wondering what part of his entheogenic journey (aka life, experience, culture, mind state) brought him to insist on people joining a church, what part does he think is so cool about it.  All i want is to understand, so i can perhaps change my opinions.

And it is, for sure, your right to do whatever you want with your mind, knowing that if you go crazy and dangerous, they can still lock you up.   What i personally don't understand is why you need to frame your rites and belifes in a form so unlucky as a religion.  And i respect that you organize your thoughts however you feel fit, but don't try to get people to join a church, which could easily just be a cult.  In some places of south america, chaman's philosophy has been altered after the times of the colony, and the original practices mixed with the catholic ones, imposed over fire and blood.  Now, some chaman give San Pedro and then guide you to the gates of heaven through the words of the apostols... doing slightly more brainwashing than they do spiritual guidance and natural conection.  This only happens in counted cases, but someone who offers you a whole religion and a trip out of anything familiar for $50, makes me wonder...

after reading maaany of your posts, i can't help but thinking you have some sort of agenda around here.. are you cia or something?
I'm not an active member, but i love to read this forum, it's full of great data and diferent insights. I grow peyote, but it's legal for me to do it in my country.  Pot is illegal, cocaine is illegal (yet noone messes with the sacred leaf), lsd is ilegal, but not sacred cacti, for example...  What i want to ask you, really, is why are you so interested in having people join a peyote church?
i mean... i have never used peyote, nor do i plan to, and i won't start to do it just because you insist on that i join a church and taste it's bitterness
i have no reads on the subject either, but what i would advise anyone, a part from studying what their gettin into, is to go to mexico if you want to take peyote, to bolivia, peru, ecuador, or whereever san pedro grows, and learn of it's powers in it's very land, by the hands and words of the people brought up under those teachings, to see one of the sides it has to offer.. the one i like best.  It's cool if you want to take a plant just for a trip, many have, and had great times doing so... but talking so much about the holiness and... i don't know, i'm no wise man, nor am i a chaman, but try not to upset the spirits, it never worked well for me
salud

do you know if i can find some of that literature in the web?
u$s 125 = $400, but i'd love to read it... if there's no chance, can you point out some other more affordable titles?
I'm insterested in everything regarding teacher plants, chemical compounds and spiritual teachings, and anything you can think of, i'd be glad to read.
and, if it's not too personal to ask, what did you study?

i heard of someone purchasing some at 15 usd a "dose" of 2-3 grams, but don't know if that's the official price of if he was taken in by someone

I've had toe (a type of datura) in ayahuasca ceremonies in Peru, but it's always been in very safe and controlled circumstances. This is definitely not a plant to play with.

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I know toé is also called floripondio or floripón, and it's quite a dangerous bardo you get into, besides, the killer dose and the active dose are very near, and as you can never know how much escopolamine is in each flower you can over the top with a trip that is more often than not described as a baaaaaad trip, doesn't taste nice and leaves you pretty blinded for some days, being this the least potent of all, i would want to keep away of stronger solanaceas as well..
i know of a guy who was convinced that the train was made of chewing gum as it sped towards him, and one who was as sure that the knife in his kitchen was a pen that he used to write in his hand, but nothing serious happened to the second one.

100% legal man, don't worry, plus, we are on the way to all penalties be removed for "drug offenses", which means drugs will no longer be offenses, for example, it's now legal to have up to 2 pot plants, and soon it's expected to grow from there, so :D:D:D

And don't want to take any peyote yet, anyway, i'm too young for that kind of mindblowingflash, but just feel lke having it growing already so i can reproduce it and such.  As to peyote, should i put it out on the sun for the callous to form or in the shade, wrapped in newspaper, or something?
Sorry if i'm asking too much, but i found lot's of useful data in here so i figure you may aswell know this stuff

thanks lots

ps: argentina siempre fue tierra de nadie, un poco más, un poco menos, capaz que se vuelve tierra de todos

I've just got my hands on a couple of three year old peyotes, and don't plan to take them for a while, but i want to know from someone who knows more on the subject than me stuff like, how old they have to be to be used, or how much should they weight, maybe some advice on growing them best, and please how you took them, because i don't know if eating, making a mescal tea or what is the best way

ps: how should i treat a san pedro cutting so it doesn't rot and i can plant it again and reproduce it?

great info on making my own prints  
I'll try the trade forum and check out all those sites, I know spores are legal here as well since they have no chemicals on their own, but i leanrt that it was much easier to make it with a syringe, and that with a print i would have to put it into a syringe to be able to use it.

mushroom season is in spring here, which starts in september, and i haven't had any experience with shrooms so i don't trust myself enough in recognising them, still i'm going out to chase cebúes as soon as heat comes again.

Hi guys, i'm from argentina and want to know where i can get spores to grow my shrooms, i heard there is a company (europe based, i guess) that sends prints or syringes all over the world, but since i couldn't find it on google i thought maybe one of you knew something about it.

thanks a lot

I got it just for the sake of it, and to help reproducing it by seed, but i would still just love to know how it was used traditionally, for the moment my best guess is eating many of them at once, for their small size, but i don't really know if i'm on the right one
I am not looking for a high, it's more a "sentimental" thing, but thanks for recomending san pedro.
still, would appreciate if someone knew something else about the tiny cactus.

hi,
i'm new to the forum as a member, but i've been reading some of the information you post for a while, and it's been really useful.
I have recently acquired a cactus by the name of Hikuri, or even better, in latin, Epithelantha micromeris.  I have read that it has some entheogenic propeties, due to several alkaloids it posseses, but none of them is mescaline, unlike any other cactus i have tried already.  Some speak of it's ritual use by tarahumaras, but i couldn't find anything on how it's used, or the apropiate dosage.  if maybe one of you knew something about this cactus, it would be of great help.
muchas gracias,