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I would like to get some feedback on which entheogens would do well in a shady area (max 4 hours direct sun per day)

So far i have compiled these:
P viridis
Caapi (tolerate part shade when young, like more sun as they age)
Kratom (tolerate part shade when young, like more sun as they age)
Ginseng
Heimia salicifolia
Belladonna
Nutmeg
San Pedro (part shade when young)
Wormwood
Lobelia inflata

if anyone has an adjustments to the above selections or some to add, please!
 

there was a site on the west coast (Canada) a few years ago that was offering dried peyote buttons for sale.  I never ordered from them and no longer know their website address, but i would be seriously interested if anyone could direct me to an Canadian online vendor that sells dried peyote buttons.  As i recall they were rather expensive ($10/buttons) but that is the price you have to pay for such a rarity i guess. Please PM me.  These are not of course intended for consumption but only for decorative purposes.

i used to belong to a canadian entheogen mailing list started i believe by the owner of Ethnogarden Botanicals.  This was started in about 2004.  Anybody know if this list is still around and how i could join again?  I have been off net for so long (4 years) that i'm a little bit out to lunch about things on here.

i was wondering what amounts of caapi and psychotria viridis some of you would recommend for a moderate trip?  By moderate i mean what you might get at a Santo Daime ceremony,or some such ceremony, in ONE drink, to begin your evening.  I'm asking in particular about caapi and psychotria, not the other plants.

From what i've gathered on the net so far, it sounds like 40g caapi and 15g psychotria would be right.. any reactions to that??

RD

"In a battle for his soul David if forced to chose between upholding his oath as an law officer or his love for the weed! Stephen, Graham and Neil are desperate to help David so they try to organize an intervention before the clock strikes 4:20! The only problem is.. they are still waiting for a dealer to drop off an ounce of blow at the studio -- and they obviously can't leave until the coke arrives. Will the others be able to save David from the demon weed, or will they forget about the intervention and get high, masturbate and talk nonsense for three days. "

hahahahah

how old is your plant and how big is it? What kind of/how much light does it get? I take it it's indoors now because Minnesota would be too cold for it to be outside right now. Are you gonna place it outside in the summer? If so, in full sun, part or full shade?

[full sun or partial shade]

from http://toptropicals.com/cgi-bin/garden_ ... orientalis :

"Specimens growing in too bright light tend to have yellowy foliage, while as an understory plant in the forest it has darker green leaves"

however, the pictogram just above this indicates that this plant grows in full sun or partial shade. Considering that most understory plants in the rainforest are rather of the partial to full shade variety, i reckon that t. orientalis probably does generally grow in clearings, sides of cliffs, etc, and therefore would prefer part shade and might suffer significantly in an open area.

Sorry to sidetrack, but is that a Hawaian Baby Woodrose in the back?

...Best wishes for the New Year, happy trails, and may the force be with you all..  

I have finished my secondary 4 math and am now doing science...if anyone is in Montreal in '09 give me a shout, we could meet up, cheers!


RD

Teo: correction: by "checking out the site" i meant the actual physical site.

And speaking about the website, i've been checking it out. I noticed that they're planning on building a road through it: http://www.peyoteway.org/i10bypass.htm  Given that the Peyote Way people probably loved the site for the main reason that it was very quiet and natural, i'm sure they probably upset about that.

About the legality of using peyote in Arizona, the site has this to say in the FAQ: "10. Q:If one were to join your group, would they be able to use peyote without legal repercussions?

A:The present political and social climate at this time, in this country is such that you may be arrested for your religious practice of Peyotism. The only states that have legal provisions regarding the bonafide religious use of Peyote by non-Indians are Arizona, Colorado, New Mexico, Nevada and Oregon. In these states, the Church’s “Declaration of Religious Belief” should protect an individual in possession of Peyote."

I think they are helpful to supply this avenue for people to experience peyote, given that the "spirit walks" are free (voluntary donations) and that you have access to these adepts of the peyote experience either during or after the session, for help and support.

One thing i do not understand about their beliefs is why they think it is unhealthy to drink "hot beverages"?!  Here: http://www.peyoteway.org/wisdom.html  it says: "9. And again, hot drinks are not for the body or belly." Can anyone comment on that? Teo?

Teo, i don't want to be grilling you, because i've been away from this site for years and therefore don't want to appear disrespectful or cocky, but there is a ONE MONTH period between this statement:

"I recently found out I have some Native American in me. I'd like to join the N.A.C. How would I go about doing this?" (Sept 23),

and this one:

"It's not a game. This is my religon and my church. The Peyotist at Peyote Way Chruch are very nice people, and I am a member of their church." (Oct 30)

If you step back and think about it, is it surprising people are having trouble taking you seriously with the peyote church thing?  Why don't you let it grow on you a bit and see how you feel, and let us know.  THAT would be interesting.

also, have you been to the site, or seen a ceremony of some kind?

just started a new thread in the mountain based on this one:
http://www.spiritplants.org/the-mountai ... c3421.html

This is a continuation of a previous topic from a few months ago, found here: http://www.spiritplants.org/long-house- ... c3208.html

Us psychedelics-users are a strange bunch. We are simultaneously adepts (or roller-coaster riders) of some of the MOST intense spiritual experiences available to man, and yet we are most often at odds with "conformist culture" and conformist ways of thinking.  These two characteristics are in no way contradictory, in fact they are rather complementary. However, possessing these two characteristics puts us in a strange position when it comes to discussing these things with people who have no experience with psychedelics.

On the one hand, we have the atheist who seems to ridicule the depth of meaning we attribute to our cosmic experiences, who always answers "it was all in your mind", "you were on a mind-bending drug", "how can you trust your experiences to be true to fact", etc. These are the typical atheist responses to these things.

Then we have the devout christian, muslim or other religious person who may equally brush aside our experiences as not truly religious, "merely drug-induced". However, the religious person CANNOT deny that the things we are saying about our experiences are IDENTICAL to the classical ecstatic experience, i.e. "i felt universal love", "i felt one with all things" etc. They will come up with other reasons to invalidate the experience, mostly with false or no logic, such as saying that "the experience did not come from God", "the feelings you had were not real",...

The funny thing is, if i'm truly honest, i personally cannot prove EITHER one wrong!  :lol:   Instead, i have my own ways of seeing things. The fact that an experience was GENUINELY god-granted or not, or adversely that it was "all in my mind", doesn't change what i may take back from the experience. For example the bird outside chirping at me, chastising me from my general bad behaviour, may be a paranoid delusion, but am still coming back from the trip knowing that i have some guilt issues about my behaviour that need to be looked at.

cheers!
RD

just a little head's up to say:

Things have been well...i'm taking night courses to finish up my high school math and sciences, hoping to go to university or college in Environmental Sciences...

I've started chewing Kratom which is very nice...i recommend it to any who haven't tried it yet...i prefer it very much to coffee, as a pick-me-up, although it's much more expensive..i take about 2g of the premium leaf kratom..actually the very BEST reference i've found to it is Murple's essay here:
http://www.murple.net/yachay/index.php/Kratom

there's an amazing picture of a KRATOM FOREST here!  
http://www.murple.net/yachay/index.php/ ... forest.jpg

in particular here's a quote from that link which people will find interesting concerning the ACTIVE INGREDIENT in kratom "Most research that has been done on kratom has focused on mitragynine or the whole plant, and since it has only recently been discovered that 7-hydroxymitragynine is the primary drug, there is still relatively little information on its activity and what differences it may have from mitragynine. "

it's been raining alot this summer in Montreal.  I've been getting out on the bike...i plan on going on a weekend bike trip 150km to my hometown of Sherbrooke, i'll be setting camp halfway there on the first night..

If any spfers are in the area, give me a pm and we could meet up..

Cheers

RD

Well, personally like many of us HERE it was/is psychedelics which actually prevents me from saying "I am an atheist"...i don't know WHAT's going on, but something's definitely going on

And i will agree with Teo that atheists can be annoying, sometimes more so than devout Christians.    I believe that INDEED ayahuasca WOULD make many hardcore atheists reconsider their position..i think however that reading ANY book on Earth would NOT...it is actually the experiential side of things that will affect these people, not books, even the Tao Te Ching...