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Wow, the only other time I've seen Amanitas that big were at Magnuson Park.

Side note:  I never seem to quite fathom just how small this town is.  Cen., if you ever get espresso on the hill from a barista with odd taste in habadashery, it might very well be me (but then again considering how weird this town is, the aforementioned idiosyncrasy might not be that distinguishing).

your friendly neighborhood culturally sanctioned drug dealer,

--Aneurysm

Ah, yes twas a fine day when the snow finally decided to fall on Seattle.  I watched the barage of large wet flakes from the large windows where I work, hoping as hard as I could that they would accumulate, perhaps even enough to shut the city down.

But alas it was not to be.  As the snow turned to rain, so did my hope turn into despair.  But perhaps we'll have another day like that this winter, and when we do I'll be ready.  That day will come and I shall stand upon the sumit of Republican with my snow saucer under my arm, taking in the wonderful frosty air, before plunging down the icy slope.  Of course if I feel more bold, I'll sled down nefarious Denny, my last will and testament clenched between my teeth, speeding my way toward a fate shrouded in shadows.  It will indeed be a good day to die!

Man, I must really miss Chicago winters  

In my tireless hunting for interesting links, I came across this:

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/ ... 092905.php

While the main premise of the article isn't anything really for The Cave, the last bit really stood out to me:

Ceapro has also discovered that beta glucan can be used as a transdermal delivery system to feed drugs and other compounds into the skin. This development may lead to new and better ways of delivering such medicines as antihistamines and pain relievers.

Would it also be possible to mix say, mind altering substances with beta glucan for such an effect?  Would one have to separate out this soulable fiber, or could one feasibly mix their mind altering drug of choice with oatmeal and apply as a psychoactive poultice?  Would some mixtures be ineffective due to differences in molecular structure?

Anyone here willing to experiment with some Sally on the skin or some huasca derma?

Just a thought

--Aneurysm

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/stor ... Id=4732092

Click on the listen button and choose your listening software of choice (RealPlayer or Windows Media Player). The story streams excellently on my 56K dial-up, so no need to worry about repeated annoying pauses.

Terence McKenna once said that the reason he believed that entites were outside himself (whether DMT elf or mushroom Logos), was 1) that they showed him things that he could not possibly see himself as imagining from a combination of what he already knew, 2) he experienced things he could not pour language over, that were in essence ineffable, and 3) the things he was shown utterly surprised him.

Granted that trips can help one think in ways that they would not otherwise be able to, but said thoughts or visions or what have you, came from within yourself, thus you can describe them.  You can imagine what you know or suppose, not what you don't know or can't suppose.

As for all this reductionist talk about everything being within the brain, I think it is a viewpoint that overlooks the mind.  To give an example, it is said that memory is stored in interconnected neurons.  But, what determines the meaning of these neurons?  Why does an arrangement of neurons mean one thing and not another?  It would seem to me that neurons are physical links to a memory (but not the memory itself), like tying a string around your finger to remember something.  And what gives that string meaning?  You do.  You consciously imbue it with meaning, hence one utilizes consciousness.

Simply look up Aneurysm Man on MySpace and there I be.

For those interested, I and a few other Seattle based peeps have a private entheo group on Myspace (the others tend to be rather disappointing).  Eventually we're looking to turn this into a live discussion group.

Perhaps a board policy of not posting about things on Ebay would be a way to avoid future threads that are rife with all this bickering.  Besides, I thought it was general board consensus that Theatrum Botanicum was a rather reputable seller.  So who needs Ebay?  

BTW:  Anyone ever purchase Luna from them, they've been out of it for the longest time.

As for the fertility/lost pollinator/progation issue, has anyone ever considered that the reason why the seeds don't work is that the plant is being progated by plant cuttings?  The seeds could be an emergency means of propogation, whereas breeding by cuttings could have evolved over the centuries of symbiotic relationship with the indigenous peoples.  I'll be the first to admit that it's somewhat of a far fetched theory, but just remember: Nothing propogates a plant like facinated humans.

Quite right Jupe, and it doesn't exactly require high powered lamps to get it to flourish (as opposed to our other green friend ), so that's another way growing can stay under the radar.

As for the government not being able to eradicate marijuana, their efforts might become ALOT more difficult later in the year when Canada considers decriminalization.  If you think BC is booming with bud now, just wait until its legal...

So many replies going so many ways...

Avery, as far as dogma and expectation goes I think that, in this case at least, it can be ruled out.  If you are told you will see 'this' or 'that', it doesn't necessarily mean you'll believe it going in.  Not to mention that T McK has talked to Amazonian shamans about the matter (who are apart of cultures far removed from ours), and they see elves too (although despite their appearance they consider them ancestor spirits).  If you want to take mythology into consideration, cultures that have been separated by thousands of years and miles all talk about 'little people' or 'elves' or what have you.  I think that its a little more than chance that all these cultures make mention of these creatures.

As far as us humans go, we are egocentric, but I think our inability to consider that intelligent life could reside in another form stems from our ignorance.  If all the life we encounter has a physical body living in three-dimensional space, and all the intelligent life we see utilizes all sorts of metal and plastic tools and technologies, then you're going to have a hard time making the argument that there are these hyperspacial entities that can sing multi-dimensional objects in existence.

Similarly you're going to have a difficult time convincing anyone involved in the current search for extraterrestrial life that it's pure idiocy to assume that intelligent life on another planet would have developed communication by radio waves.

Vertigo--  It would seem that these beings (if they are indeed are doing the same thing, I've only heard of elves singing) are trying to get us to evolve our language to the point that it directly affects reality.  Native peoples of the Amazon who use ayahuasca are most likely at the forefront of this endeavor.  However, singing objects into existence is a piece of cake in multi-dimensional hyperspace, but what of our 3-dimensional space?  What is the goal of them teaching us this?  Is it an attempt, as T McK says, to make our language so complex and dense that it overflows into another dimension?  Or are they trying to show us how we can utilize language to affect the dimensions that we operate in?

As far as I know the pineal gland and its secretion of DMT has nothing to do with schizophrenia.  I believe Huxley pointed out that it had to do with the over abundance of a certain chemical called adrenochrome which is a byproduct of adrenaline breaking down.

What DMT does have to do with is far more interesting.  For instance, why is it that 49 days after conception, a fetus gets a spike of endogenous DMT?  

Now, as for the elf issue, I'll read the article in due course (too many things to read these days!), but for now I shall repost something here that I originally wrote for the T McK group on MySpace.  Enjoy:

I think that the elves are something that is outside of our own personal psyches for two reasons:

..1. The fact that they convey information and knowledge outside of what we currently know (ie. Terrence McKenna's Time Wave Zero theory)

..2. The fact that they are a repeatable aspect of the DMT experience among a range of individuals. Everyone has their own mythologies and sets of symbols that have specific meanings to them. If the elves were a part of us, they would be subject to these individual mythologies and symbol sets and thus might not even appear as elves at all or have differing behavior from that which is reported. Hence something like similar elven recurrence with largely consistent behavior would suggest something beyond our psyche.

Now the real big question is why don't people encounter the elves all the time? Sometimes they get an NDE, sometimes reptilians or insectoids, sometimes aliens. We can tap into the signal but how do we control the channels?

It seems that when I do a search for Terrence McKenna, I get alot of sites devoted to his writings and work and such, but nothing about projects and ideas being pursued because of his influence.  For instance, who is:

Pushing the limits of language?
Bringing back useful information from trips?
Studying Time Wave Zero?
Reality hacking?

Anyone?

Haven't read anything about vinegar and salt, although vinegar is listed as an alternative in QT's tek.  What do you all make of this particular tek?

Can I assume that the same tek for MHRB could be used for say, Desmanthus illinoensis, since both use root bark?

That aside, how chemically sound are the teks?

And how benign would the other chemicals contained in Desmanthus illinoensis be considered:

Substantial amounts of N,N-DMT, MMT, ( J. Ott, 1993). Also contains a diglucoside of kaempferol, rutin, myricitrin, quercitrin and two gallic esters myricitrin. (K. Kindscher, 1992) One of the esters has been shown to have significant insecticidal value

Is it anywhere near the Pacific NW or BC Canada?  Put up a link, soI may check out the goodness

Good luck with the drug trials.  Let's hope they got it right the first time so you can rid yourself of the Hep. C.