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It has revived for me. I'm checking it more often

What an interesting thread. I'm glad to see people are still around.

no i was just curious. I find myself in need of a thesis lately and I thought it would be interesting to follow the supply chain of the ayahuasca church and see what kind of impacts (positive and negative) the church/tourists/etc are having on people who live where b. cappi is harvested/cultivated. I imagine that the increased income or exchange in some form or another has been fairly beneficial for some places, and perhaps less so for other places.


I knew that m hostilis had some farms, and being a nitrogen fixer and of fairly high economic value, that might be a really interesting component of a farm system to take a look at. I'm hesitant to put that to paper though since its in a grey legal area almost everywhere...at least b. caapi has legal status for church use in some places.

Hey, long time.

Anyone know where ayahuasca components are being sourced these days? I'm really interested to know if the components are still being wild harvested, especially since the churches and the tourism aspects continue to grow. Doesn't seem sustainable if thats the case. I'm especially interested to know if small land owners are cultivating these plants for sale (i assume they are being sold).
Anyone know anything about this? My interests are academic. I'm wondering what the economic contribution of these plants might be to the people that grow them.


Thanks for any help

you live in a wonderland my friend.

come on Syd, jesus... i spent a day sitting over an antique scanning machine so that some of the people I know that have been looking for this book could get a free copy.

and it is in fact a free copy so a link and full description makes it a little more clear and blatant that it is indeed a copyright infringement.

I'm not really sure why this isn't seeding for folks.

search mininova.

anyone interested in any? I've got loads of berries and I'll start picking them if you'd like.

I don't know about ethneogenic quality but i find it makes an excellent composting plant. Supposedly it accumulates calcium.

Let me know

chaching!
yes it would  

thanks mate

I can't remember the title or enough yield useful search results.

Its a book about plants used as bittering agents in beer. I can't remember or find it and its driving me nuts :?

grr. I wrote a response an the page f'ed up. Second writings aren't ever as good.

Man LW your out of line...

Its a complicated issue with your friend. He obviously has some mental issues that he's compounding by being obsessed with conspiracy theories. Its hard because even though conspiracy theories are theories, they're a symptom of the fact that we live in a government that is secretive. The cold war and fear of total annihilation put power in the hands of a few to "protect" the general public. I can't imagine there aren't cost benefit analyses carried out by these people that have undesirable costs they would rather not divulge to the populace. While I don't personally believe in chemtrails I wouldn't be surprised if they existed. While I find it hard to believe they would spray chemicals to make us docile, or any other desired effect. Its not beyond my realm of logic to think that those seriously realizing the possibly catastrophic climate change we're facing wouldn't spray aerosols to buy us a bit more time. The U.S. IS the world military leader. The entire purpose of military is to unfurl large operations secretively. Its hard to believe what tey couldn't accomplish.
There is an aspect of truth to it, because there is social engineering. I'll catch flak for this, but if your male, look at your penis. If your circumcised your the direct or indirect (depending on your age) result of propoganda to make cleaner soldiers for a WWIII that never materialized. Social engineering does exist, it CAN be right under our noses and completely ignored. You/i were expected to be warriors.
Again i'll catch flak for that, but ya dig a bit deeper.

We are under the control of some powerful entities. I personally don't think they are completely in cahoots and utterly organized the way conspiracy theorists have it portrayed. But there are certainly groups, whether they be military, business, banking, that have the power to (at least try) to steer the world in a direction they would like it. I'm sure they're not completely malevolent in intent and I think thats might be what gives them the power to be so secretive. In the cost benefit analysis they find that unfurling this program or that is beneficial in the long run, even if a minority or even a majority are disadvantaged now.

It sucks because it probably isn't as bad as your friend thinks it is, but it still is pretty bad, and there is always something to get sucked into.

But lets not curse each other for talking about, really.

shepherdia canadensis
hippophae rhamnoides
myrica pennsylvanica

any to trade?

I've found stem cuttings root well if given an airy medium. I hang mine in a burlap bag with crushed leaf letter and water it daily. Seems to root easily this way. Its well adapted to dryer regions. I find it on roadsides in seasonal dry forests.

callaeum is new to me. Thanks.