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#1
The Cave / more shmelves
June 27, 2005, 08:15:43 AM
Quote from: "nitrogen"LOL, humans are so egocentric - we're like "well, if I encounter something that is alive and intelligent, but doesn't have a body, it must be a creation of my own mind!"

Oh... I do believe the majority of population now and throughout history holds the opposite belief:
"Well, if I encounter something that is alive and intelligent, but doesn't have a body, it must exists outside of my mind!"
Like that large gasous vertebrate usually refered to as God. A nice belief, fo sho...

QuoteIn any case I think the implications of the DMT entities existing outside of our minds is vastly more fun, exciting and fascinating than the idea that they're just a creation of our minds...  

... which doesn't imply that a funnier, more exciting and fascinating theory/belief holds any more water than a simple one. In fact, it is usually quite the opposite.
You've just explained what your belief in elves feeds on bro...

Does it seem so incredulous that a brain, which generates a mind, which can generate multiple personalities, etc., is capable of generating other forms of intelligence?

peace
#2
The Cave / shmelves
June 27, 2005, 07:52:38 AM
Quote from: "Aneurysm"..1. The fact that they convey information and knowledge outside of what we currently know (ie. Terrence McKenna's Time Wave Zero theory)

Whoa there! People figure out a lot of things on psychedelics without a single elf in sight, as well as without a psychedelic in sight.
However, they do have a brain (in sight?).
Has it never occured to you that what is "conveyed" is actually the formation (and communication) of concepts within the brain?
Psychedelics are excellent stuff for this! And people have been using them for millenia for exactly this purpose.

Psychedelics induce trance states and these are excellent for metaphor generation.
Ask the occultists. They've been using trance states to contact (imaginary) spirits in order to learn from them. This becomes especially true and interesting when they use spirits which are obviously imaginary i.e. borrowed from fiction or of their own making.
It works! You can achieve contact with these 'beings'. And you know what?
You don't even need drugs for this.

Quote..2. The fact that they are a repeatable aspect of the DMT experience among a range of individuals. Everyone has their own mythologies and sets of symbols that have specific meanings to them. If the elves were a part of us, they would be subject to these individual mythologies and symbol sets and thus might not even appear as elves at all or have differing behavior from that which is reported. Hence something like similar elven recurrence with largely consistent behavior would suggest something beyond our psyche.

Your line of logic would seem to imply that words have fixed meaning beyond our psyche, too.

If the elves were a part of us... are dream characters a part of you?
The mind is capable of running lots of simulations without any conscious locus of control.
Certain archetypes, symbols and concepts become active in trance states. I've spoken to people who have never heard of the supposed elves, who have reported to me experiencing transformation into a devilish character whilst under the influence. I've experienced it too. Ponder that and the existence of a devil outside of your brain.
IO Pan! :D

On a side note, while under the influence, I've been watching entities form and dissolve in and out of the hallucinatory matrix overimposed on my field of vision. They seem to be present only when my attention is fixed on them.
Evocation/invocation and banishment? Very well might be ;)

magnus
#3
The Shamans Hut / tribute to
February 08, 2005, 05:23:35 PM
Yes, adding lemon juice should help extract more alkaloids and thus enhance tea taste, unless you don't like lemon juice, that is.

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eigenstate