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Plant Matters => The Garden => Topic started by: Stonehenge on January 19, 2005, 01:48:13 PM

Title: What are you growing in your garden?
Post by: Stonehenge on January 19, 2005, 01:48:13 PM
Here are some of the plants I'm growing at the moment. What are some of yours?

Kratom
B. caapi
Poppies
San pedro
T. peruvianus
Hoodia gordonii
T bridgesii
Mimosa hostilis
rosea rhodiola
Lagochilius
Tabernaemontana P.
Pereskiopsis
Sceletium
D. bosseranum
Alternathera lehmanii
Kava

My camera is broke so until I get around to buying a new one, I'll have to settle for old photos. Do we have uploading here yet?

Stoney
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Post by: Stonehenge on January 19, 2005, 05:02:56 PM
I uploaded an old pic of one of my kratom trees into the gallery in case anyone wants to look at it. Not the greatest photo but gives you some idea.
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Post by: Amomynous on January 19, 2005, 05:24:25 PM
My garden is quite embarassing right now -- I've let it dwindle and have had very little time to devote to it

S. divinorum, cultivar "luna"
H. salicifolia
P. viridis
B. caapi
T. pachanio
T. peruvians
Calea zacatechichi

And that's about it. A sorry state of affairs, when one considers that two years ago I had a small greenhouse briming with plants. :(
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Post by: winder on January 19, 2005, 06:56:45 PM
hawaiian babywoodrose
hawaiian woodrose
brugmansia
various numerous Trichocereus species

I have killed the following this past year
syrian rue (succesful germination though)
salvia divinorum

Will give the follow a try this year:
syrian rue
psychotria viridis
salvia (yet again) after a trade here and there.
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Post by: Indra on January 19, 2005, 07:05:36 PM
I've been thinking of growing some basil lately.
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Post by: Amomynous on January 20, 2005, 10:28:59 AM
I love basil. Try the african blue if you get a chance. Some people don't like to use it culinarily (it's not very sweet), but it makes good pesto, it an atttractive landscaping plant, and it grows like gangbusters.
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Post by: Stonehenge on January 20, 2005, 01:52:28 PM
I forgot to mention these

calea
sun opener
cocoa
betel palm
dragons blood
toothache plant
rivea

I'm getting to the point I don't want to start any more new tropicals. I just put about 20 pots outdoors I had in because of a recent cold spell. There are another 20 that would have to come in if it got really cold and that number could go up if we had an unusually cold freeze. Kratom, rivea, and a bunch of others can't take any freezing. Lucky for me im in a warm climate but it's not that warm.  My new projects will be aztekium, sida and a few others I've got in the fridge waiting to sprout the seeds.

I use to grow salvia but it's too low in humidity indoors and outdoors the bugs eat it up. Later, when I can dedicate a proper grow area to it, I'll probably grow some more. Anyone want to discuss a particular plant?

Stoney
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Post by: VajraPirate on January 20, 2005, 05:23:24 PM
lophos
trichos
gymnos
mammilarias
ariocarpus retuses
ariocarpus fissuratus
sceletium
khat
kratom
cuban oregano
thai basil
rosemary
cilantro

a lot more I can't remember right now.

Stoney, I want to say thanks for all the help you've been giving me with my kratom troubles. It's starting to look a lot better.
Title: indoor overwintering?
Post by: Starseed on January 21, 2005, 08:12:02 PM
Hi Winder, since I know you are in zone6, just wondering how you are sustaining your plants? Are they seedlings that you have planted to put out for this year's garden or are they old mother plants that you are overwintering indoors?  Asking because I'm thinking of getting some of the same but don't want to endanger them with adverse conditions. Thanks.
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Post by: winder on January 22, 2005, 07:45:39 AM
Everything is in pots and planters and indoors right now.
The cacti are in a dormant state in the garage with enough heat to stay slightly above freezing or sitting on the brick of my fireplace mantle.

Two Brugs, the HW, and the HBWR are in pots and planters beside a window that gets afternoon sun.  Five recently rooted Brugs are under fluorescent lights in my basement.
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Post by: Stonehenge on January 22, 2005, 03:04:09 PM
Vpirate, I'm glad your kratom is doing well. That's an important plant in anyone's garden and I know you were worried about losing it.

Winder, the brug cutting you sent me is doing well. I have it in the shade but plan to put it more into the sun. That is, when I'm not yanking it indoors to dodge the cold spells. Looks like a bad one coming in about a day. I'll have to more around 30 pots including a couple 15 gallon ones.

Stoney
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Post by: winder on January 22, 2005, 03:41:00 PM
Hell, we are getting pounded right now.
It was 4 deg F. last night.
The snow has been steady for 5.5 hours now.
Of course, I think it is beautiful and wouldn't mind it being even a little more intense.

The only drawback was that a second heater had to go into the garage and now both are running non-stop.  For weeks I had one on only 50% duty.  More money to the electric co.
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Post by: Jacko on January 23, 2005, 02:01:09 AM
2 species of Psychotria indoors, 2 species of Desmantus outdoors, 4 sp. of Echinacea outdoors, about 12 species of Trichocereus presently 1/2 way indoors, Sceletium tort., a couple species of Hoya, mountain mint-valerian-rosemary-strawberry-raspberry-multiple mint species-bee balm-sweet shrub-butterfly bush(es)-holly bush and tree-a couple hybrid japanese maple-a couple hybrid dogwoods (x12 .... lots a dogwood)- Heimia myrt.-Datura inoxia- outdoors (not to mention several azalias and rhodos and the splendid 5 yo paw paw tree still in a pot), another 20+ succulents (gotta love the Klanoche hybrids flowering all the way through winter so far), the Bursera sp., jade plants, multiple spider and christmass  cacti.  Think my holy basil died from exposure to too cold temps.    Close to a flat of alpine strawberries, Aptenia cord., ice plant, Alternanthera lem., maypop passion flower, columbine all over the place, winecap mushrooms naturalized in the hardwood mulched butterfly garden, shitakes hopefully still pushing forward in 1/2 dozen logs in the same garden.    These are just a few of my favorite things.
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Post by: Anonymous on January 23, 2005, 09:26:32 AM
You sons 'a bitches  :evil:

I wish I had that many plants going.
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Post by: crossbreed on January 23, 2005, 10:29:37 AM
I don't have that many different things growing right now since it is winter.

Mitragyna speciosa
Salvia divinorum strains:  Luna, Blosser, and  Hofmann & Wasson
Banisteriopsis caapi
Psychotria viridis
Psychotria carthaginensis
Trichocereus pachanoi
Trichocereus peruvianus and peruvianus hybrid
Astrophytum asterias grafted to a Myrtillocactus geometrizans
Pereskiopsis
Strombocactus disciformis
Cinnamomum camphora
Turnera diffusa
Artemisia absinthium

Everything is indoors except the wormwood.
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Post by: Stonehenge on January 23, 2005, 02:11:09 PM
Damiana, (Turnera diffusa) is one I'd like to get. I understand that seeds are not available so it's cuttings or nothing. I forgot to mention I have p. carthagenesis and p alba also. Probably forgot a few others like d. cooperii and what not. My poppies are coming along, they are at the rosette or small cabbage stage. It'll be a few months before they get big. I'm hoping by april they will be much larger and flowering. By june the heat will be here and they better be done. I started them indoors this year in peat pots and transfered them outside. Some did well and some died.

Stoney
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Post by: VajraPirate on January 23, 2005, 03:05:18 PM
I've had some success using peat pots for transplanting poppies. I was actually quite surprised to see as many live as I did, about 75% survived transplantaion which was shocking to me, since they are notoriously transplant resistant. Glad to see you've had luck with them as well.  :D
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Post by: Jacko on January 26, 2005, 12:11:30 AM
Can you really distinguish between P. carth. and P. alba??  I sent this fucker by the name of 'pinkoyd' a box full of nice healthy plants, many extras on top of the agreed upon swap,  for a little alba and received nothing ... 6-8+ months ago.  Care to spare a couple leaves come spring so I can root some out if you notice any real difference between the species Stone, I hear that they may in fact be one in the same?
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Post by: Anonymous on January 26, 2005, 02:16:57 AM
I got some weeds growing..

its winter  :roll:

almost planting time though!
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Post by: Stonehenge on January 26, 2005, 04:41:33 PM
Jacko, I do have some p alba but I'm still trying to see the difference between it and viridis. P. carthagenesis is easy to tell from the others by the rounded leaves but alba looks just like p.v. to me. Mine are all kind of small and not growing much now due to winter. Check back with me in spring and I might be able to do something. My p carth is getting big and may produce some berries the end of this year. I will move it far away from the viridis if it does flower so to avoid cross pollenation from viridis.

Now is a good time to start seeds indoors in small pots, grow them in a window or under lights and then in spring you have little plants to put out instead of just seeds

Stoney
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Post by: crossbreed on January 28, 2005, 04:39:24 PM
Stoney, I just made cuttings of the damiana.  Hopefully they will root and I will have a few that I can trade.

Have you ever grown Turnera subulata?  I purchased it at Deep Roots Nursery where it was being sold as Turnera diffusa.
It is called false damiana on an australian website and is said to have similar uses as Turnera diffusa.
Its leaves are larger than T. diffusa and it grows like a weed.  
I can make cuttings of that too if you are interested.
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Post by: Stonehenge on January 28, 2005, 06:05:22 PM
That's interesting. Does t. subalta have the same properties as t. diffusa? I'd def be interested in the diffusa and maybe the other as well. I'm surprised that RW would be selling the false damiana in place of the real one.

Stoney
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Post by: crossbreed on January 28, 2005, 07:45:50 PM
I don't really know if it has the same properties because I have never used either of them.  
The australian site has it listed as Turnera ulmifolia var. subulata.
I did some research and all I could find information about was T. ulmifolia and T. subulata.  
T. ulmifolia var. subulata does not appear to exist outside of that site.
 
I was also surprised when I recieved my order.  I ordered a T. diffusa, that died in transit, from richters several months earlier.  
When I got my order from RW, there were obvious differences in the nature of the plant.  The one from richters had tiny leaves and looked like a very fragile plant.  The one from RW was very healthy and had huge leaves compared to the other one.  At first I just thought RW had extremely healthy plants(which he does).
Several weeks after I got the plants from RW, I think he noticed his mistake and corrected it on his website.  
I am certain that he did not mislabel them intentionally.  Whoever he got them from probably had them labeled wrong as well.
Either way, it is still a pretty plant.

I would definitely order from RW again in the future.  
I will not, on the other hand, ever order from richters again. (too many bad experiences)