I received some seeds said to be chaliponga. They are supposed to take 3-4 weeks to start germinating. Here is a photo of one of them. It looks a little like a brown moth, doesn't it?
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Irie Stoney,
Good to see ya growing!
The butterfly wings are very distinctive.
Hence the name;
diptero-, dipterus -a -um two-winged
Dipteronia Twice-winged (the two-winged carpels of the fruits)
Lophhira Crested (one of the sepals enlarges to a wing which aids
fruit dispersal)
lopho- crest-, crested
ptera-, ptero-, -pteris -is -e, ptery- with a wing- , winged
Respect
Z
Today i discovered 2 sprouts! I put them in soil keeping them in a warm place. The only ones that have sprouted so far are the ones i treated with ga3. I have a few more seeds in the fridge, i'll try the ga3 on them too. The source said expect 3-4 week minimum and it's been only a couple weeks. I hope for many more sprouts.
Irie stoney,
Nice one!
Tell us about your GA treatment?
Respect
Z
Quote from: "Zaka"Irie stoney,
Nice one!
Tell us about your GA treatment?
Respect
Z
I just soaked some of the seeds in a ga3 solution of about 650 ppm overnight. It was a solution i made up many months ago and kept in the fridge. I wasn't sure if it was still good or not but those were the only ones i got sprouts out of. I haven't checked for sprouts yet today. I have my last 20 seeds soaking in ga3 in hopes of getting more sprouts using that tec. I also hope for more sprouts from the other ga3 batch and perhaps some from those soaked in peroxide only and then put on damp paper towel.
I got a total of at least 40 sprouts. Out of that, about 15 are doing well and decent size. Another 1/2 doz are doing ok but small. About a dozen or more died and the rest are tiny or i don't know. Here is a pic, its a little old, i have larger ones than this now.
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I started 12 of these yesterday. I guess we will wait and see. As was stated in another thread I am pretty sure these are diplopterys pauciflora, not cabrerana. Either way I am looking forward to seeing if they germinate.
I started a lot more seeds than just them :tea:
So many people having luck with their seeds ! That looks like a good grow pictured I just hope pests don't destroy them.
What has worked for me is soaking them overnight in a ga3 solution of around 500 ppm and then keeping them moist and warm. I kept them in a plastic baggie on a damp paper towel on top of my modem. No matter what i did some died but keeping them humid and warm does help. I should end up with 20 or more good sized ones. Some people said they didn't fert theirs but mine were getting pale leaves and seemed to like some ferts. I'm giving them lots of light but not sun.
Here is a pic of one of my little plants. They seem to respond to ferts and when i lowered the light level they seemed to like that too. I had them under 2 shoplights which gave about 40 w/ft and i cut back to half of that.
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daaaaamn! lookin' good Stony, I must admit I am a bit jealous.
It's the only one doing that well. I have noticed that since i cut back on the light and increased the ferts, they are starting to green up and grow better.
Do you have any idea if this plant has any toxic compounds in the chemical structure that regular"Chaliponga" doesn't?
Quote from: "XandX-"Do you have any idea if this plant has any toxic compounds in the chemical structure that regular"Chaliponga" doesn't?
Irie,
I've sent out a package with some mature leaves, to a meme(ber) from this forum.
Who is going to run some tests.
Respect
Z
Update
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My chaliponga greened up when i gave them more ferts. I notice they like a lot of light too. When i put them where they were getting pretty good light but not a lot, they began dropping leaves and dying off. When i put them right by the window or right under the floros, they perked back up. I put a couple outside but in the shade not direct sun. They seem to be doing ok and later i'll give them a little sun. You have to be careful not to go up too fast on sun exposure. I'm not even sure if they could take direct sun or how much. Maybe when they get bigger and older.
My chalis agree with yours, Stoney. They were spindly and leggy as seedlings indoors in a window, so I took them outside. I kept them in a closed room all night, with a bulb on for more light. I put them out where they could get some full sun during the day, and they improved more. I gave them a little maxicrop, guano and blood, and they started to green and grow.
They are still viney in habit, but have several sets of larger leaves now. Beautiful green. Some lower leaf tip browning and etiolation, possibly from the ferts, not significant. I think they are big enough for more ferts now.
I put them out in full sun at 9am, and keep them in sun all day. They seem to like it fine.
I'm going to start getting mine used to sun too. Little by little does it.
Some pics:
boayahuasca and white caapi
chali babies
Ten for ten white caapi sprouted, very viable. 3/10 bo's, 1/10 black caapi, 0/0 yellow caapi. I'm gonna have a lot of white caapi, hope it brews up sweet!
correction: 0/10 yellow caapi germed.
8/20 chali seeds germed, much thanks to you, Stoney, for the hormone. :smoke:3
The long, tender, vulnerable chali stems have gotten stronger in the sun, they are covered in a fine grayish bark and today I see the first side branch nodes (where the juvenile leaves formed) shooting happily! Luv it... :tea:
Mine are getting bigger and i'm slowly getting them used to the sun. I should take a pic but someone will top it with some monstrosity. The outdoor ones are about 8" and starting to fill out.
Is that REALLY confirmed to be 100% for sure Diplopterys c?
It's hard to be 100% on anything. The question is whether it's as good as the stories or not.
"I should take a pic but someone will top it with some monstrosity. "
Stoney, I promise not to post anything more on this thread, I wasn't wishing to steal your thunder here, just stoked the plants are doing well. 8)
I just took a look and the biggest one is not tall but each leaf is about 8" long and fairly fat. I have 3 outside and one inside. Out of all the seeds and seedlings that is not much. I did send out one or two.
hi..
Should Chaliponga have a thick woody root, instead of really fibrous like Caapi? I thought, maybe since they're both vines, they might be fibrous like this plant.
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Quote from: sabulba on February 22, 2012, 06:58:28 AM
hi..
Should Chaliponga have a thick woody root, instead of really fibrous like Caapi? I thought, maybe since they're both vines, they might be fibrous like this plant.
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I haven't dug them up to look at the roots but the little ones seemed to have normal roots. Maybe zaka will give his opinion on that?
Irie,
Quote from: Shamanism0013 on August 07, 2011, 11:03:05 PM
Is that REALLY confirmed to be 100% for sure Diplopterys c?
Well I'm 99% sure it's Malpighiaceae Alicia anisopetala.
The term Chaliponga seems to refer to a number of species of malpighiaceae vines & differs from region to region.
The trunk is distinctly different to Caapi, in that it has a spongy , openish sort of bark.
Not sure about the roots self??
Respect,
Z
Zaka, your Alicia plants are big now, any chance you could brew up say 10g of dried leaf and do a bio-assay with caapi?
I'm really curious to see if there is light in the leaf, and in what amount. Mine are still too young to harvest.