So I'm asking this across a few forums, apologies if you read it already or if I am somehow breaking the rules (seem to upset moderators an awful lot - only trying to spread the love :P )
If you use Kratom is it just for recreation or is it for medicinal use? And does it work for you? Have you tried it and thought it was lousy? Just trying to get a picture of what people think. :)
I use kratom for recreation, but no, it doesn't work for me.
What I mean by that is that over the past five years or so I've noticed a substantial decrease in the quality of the kratom available. I'm an infrequent user (I buy 100 grams -- perhaps 10 or 13 doses-- a few times a year), so habituation or tolerance isn't an issue. The kratom is just a lot less potent than it used to be.
I assume the "good stuff" is now reserved for making the extracts, which I won't use owing to the expense and the risk of habituation. Or perhaps the herb has just become so popular that they're harvesting anything and can't really care about quality anymore. Regardless, while I used to enjoy kratom, these days I find it hardly worth the bother.
It's a shame, because there is a real paucity of intoxicants in society; I'm not a big fan of alcohol, so I have few options for "recreational" (i.e., non-medical and not particularly deep/spiritual) alterations of consciousness. Kratom and kava are about the only herbs that I can think of which are legal, effective, and "recreational," and kratom is much less effective that it used to be (synthetic cannabinoids were available in a very grey-market way for a while, but that's coming to an end).
Seems to me, if the leaf was eaten whole (as opposed to a extract) with some california poppy 'extract' , in the right combination, it might be usufull to help a heroin junkie kick the habbit, but having never tried heroin, beats me. Otherwise i'd say kratom is really good for those who enjoy being dizzy, vomitting, abdominal discomfort and haveing larger than normal bowel movements, much later than expected.
Tried some Malaysian Kratom - 5 grams. I mixed it with a pixie stick (powdered sugar, citric acid and grape flavor hehe) just so it would taste ok.
I am 150lbs 29yr old.
5p.m. - one gram. nothing...
5:45 p.m. - slight change in perception - very slight dizziness
6 p.m. - took another gram - almost feeling like I'm coming off a mild salvia experience
7p.m - sobering up - took half of what was left along with moderate meal.
7:45 p.m. - feeling like a cross between mild drunkenness and very mild salvia after-effect
9p.m. pleasantly buzzed - drank one beer which helped the buzziness
9:30 p.m. - took rest of kratom - buzz stayed - headache creeping in
10:30 p.m. - headache getting bad - mild nausea - buzz turning into mild vertigo - began drinking water
11 p.m. - noise makes me nauseous - headache is bad - went home to lay in dark room - dizzy - drank more water
11:30p.m. - headache fading slightly - despite me being sick, g/f wanted some action. lovemaking (in the dark) felt like being on mushrooms - very buzzy head, body load, very dizzy - closed-eye visuals (which appear in the dark even with eyes open) look like a technicolor window screen.
Pretty wicked stuff...probably wont do it again for a while...
I thought it was nauseatingly nasty and had an alcohol style hangover to boot.
I think I've eaten well over a kilo of the stuff in the course of my experimentation and have found whole leaf to be best at between 12-20grams a pop. (tolerance builds) And besides all the nasty side effects, it was wholly pleasureable the first few times. Long lasting. It's enjoyment faded quickly with too much regular use though as the side effects became less and less tolerable. Thought I've heard people still manage to get addicted to the stuff somehow.
Interesting comment about the quality of the Kratom going down over the last few years. Have you tried different vendors? Not noticed a difference but always thought that was my tolerance going up. The whole nausea thing is real common. I take caffeine if it gets too much. Kratom seems to hit you differently everytime. I think its ability to help with opiate withdrawal and pain relief is amazing.
Lots of potential for abuse for sure...... possibly why it's illegal in the country of origin perhaps.
Quote from: "jokergrin"despite me being sick, g/f wanted some action. lovemaking (in the dark) felt like being on mushrooms
They have no respect.
Quote from: "Syd"Quote from: "jokergrin"despite me being sick, g/f wanted some action. lovemaking (in the dark) felt like being on mushrooms
They have no respect.
Haha! Hey, unless I'm comatose or paralyzed , I'm VERY happy to help her out! ;0) :mrgreen:
Quote from: "Kratom"Interesting comment about the quality of the Kratom going down over the last few years. Have you tried different vendors?
I have, and I haven't noticed much difference. I've had weak/ineffective kratom, and I've had "OK" kratom, but I haven't had any
good kratom for many a year.