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Plant Matters => The Rain Forest => Topic started by: Floyd on March 17, 2009, 03:14:54 PM

Title: Psychotria carthagenensis?
Post by: Floyd on March 17, 2009, 03:14:54 PM
Images of a species of Psychotria in an area carthagenensis was said to be collected. I found no other species of psychotria in the area so its likely that this is the same species identified as carthagenensis by the herbarium collection.
Although this was the only Psychotria I found in the area. There are 100s of Psychotria in the region and I don't have access to herbarium specimens to compare.

What do you think.
Title: Re: Psychotria carthagenensis?
Post by: Floyd on March 17, 2009, 03:16:07 PM
herbarium images
http://atrium.andesamazon.org/image_inf ... image22655 (http://atrium.andesamazon.org/image_info.php?img=images/collections/apmaceda_002310_12_p.jpg&id=22655#image22655)
Title: Re: Psychotria carthagenensis?
Post by: Zaka on March 17, 2009, 04:28:59 PM
Nice Job Floyd,
Looks bang on.
Any berries?
Respect
Z
Title: Re: Psychotria carthagenensis?
Post by: Floyd on March 17, 2009, 04:36:17 PM
only 4 or 5. I'm hoping I can get it to root from leaf cuttings. It lost some of its larger leaves and only had newer growth towards the top. I collected a few here and there. Hopefully they will root.
Title: Re: Psychotria carthagenensis?
Post by: Amomynous on March 18, 2009, 01:22:18 PM
Rick Hepting used to sell the plant. Alas, he moved to Mexico, started a new nursery, and doesn't ship internationally (and I'm not sure if he still grow it).

Does anyone know if it is commercially available for the collector?

By the way, it's similar enough to P. virdis that, if I had to guess, I'd imagine it will take from leaf cuttings. But that's just a guess.
Title: Re: Psychotria carthagenensis?
Post by: Himdumb on March 21, 2009, 02:03:19 PM
I have some p. carth/alba (not sure which, or if they are even different sp.).

They root from leaf cuttings easily, but it is slow.  But prolly faster than seeds.

If anyone is interested i could root some leaves, for trading.  Or ive had success just sending fresh leaves to ppl to root.
Title: Re: Psychotria carthagenensis?
Post by: Stonehenge on March 23, 2009, 01:52:09 PM
From what I've heard, p carth readily crosses with p viridis and brings up the question of whether it is a separate species or just a different phenotype or minor variation. I know that some experts claim there is no doubt it's a different species but not being able to cross with other species is one of the defining characteristics of a new species. Not only that, but the differences they talk about on the leaves and so on can be caused by environmental factors. I've seen all the same things sometimes on my p viridis.

The photos are nice. They look very much like my viridis.
Title: Re: Psychotria carthagenensis?
Post by: Juicemonkey on May 07, 2009, 07:37:38 AM
Carthagenensis is very common in australian collections

in excess in some peoples

its very easy to grow, much more hardy

The People who run herbalistics have made a hybrid called 'nexus' which is a Viridis Carthagenesis hybrid

Im quite keen on more collections from different areas of its habitat. seed

on the other hand if people need Carthagenensis just PM me and ill link you up to people i know who have plenty