I'm trying to compile a list of plants that people would like to see traded that aren't currently available. Species of interest for which specimens aren't yet available to the community. I'm mainly interested in plants of the new world tropics, but others are welcome. Please indicate which ones are not from new world tropics though.
I'm sure there are many. We are all involved in are personal research, so let me know what your interested in
I think everybody is screaming Diplopterys whenever this question is asked on ethnobotanicals forums all over the world!
Where the fuck is this plant?
WE'VE GOT TO GET DIPLOPTERYS CABRERANA!
what happened to the Diplops that were going around a few years ago?
Either nobody has them or people have them and are not sharing!
Id like to see Duboisia hopwoodii plants or seeds offered for trade.
It is hard to find seeds or plants offered outside of Australia and its not exactly a rare Australian plant.
I don't see what the deal is? People in Australia that are growing it have pictures posted on Bushfood forums. Yet whenever i make a post on there nobody responds.
Aussies quit hording the pituri plant!
There is a company in Germany that sells it but they dont let you translate their webpage so it would be impossible for me to place an order since i don't understand German.
Duboisia hopwoodii would be a really cool plant to see offered. It is interesting in that it contains nicotine alkaloids in the leaves as well as tropane alkaloids in the roots.
The seeds are hard to germinate i think and usually require Gibberellic acid.
you might want to try the corraboree (sp?) I asked a few years back and they were more than willing to send me both seeds and sample leaves. The leaves molded a bit in transit, however, and the seeds I never got to germinate. A kind gesture none the less...
Floyd who did you get them from on Corrobee?
No idea. It was awhile ago.
I promise to go look for
Duboisia
Galbulimima
Tabernaemontana orientalis
Piper wichmanii
Fresh nutmegs
Other Mitragyna species
Tropacocaine
and
other assorted dragiboid things in Oceania and SE asia
But tell me
why still cant i buy seed of some North american plants of interest?
It took ages to get D leptolobus
and Sassafras albidum ( still wanting both botanical varieties)(and the 2 asian species)
and i dont see
Nicotiana species from the southwest
Ilex cassine
Ilex vomitoria
Acacia berlandieri
Acacia rigidula
Illicium spp.
and you just have to let us in on the Pimas hallucinogenic lichens
http://mv.lycaeum.org/mu/earth_flower_lichen.html (http://mv.lycaeum.org/mu/earth_flower_lichen.html)
and figure out if marsh rosemary / labrador tea has something going on
Ledum spp.
and go get that peyote substituting Oncidium ceboletta
and Tillandsia mooreana- irritant or hallucinogen?
and sort out what Bakanawa means. Coryphantha Cactus , cyperus or both? and bring it back alive
digging deeper south
i want to seed from when see Banisteriopsis muricata and Lonchocarpus violaceus around mayan ruins
i want to see wild collected Ipomoea violaceae that still have the good fungus on board?
if that be the case why cultivated seeds are piss weak. Then get fresh seeds from the original source
while you are there get prints of Psilocybe caerulescens - the one thats started the renaissance with Maria sabina and Gordon wasson
likewise i want to see wild tagetes lucida, not the cultivated form which looks totally different and is a mild culinary herb. i smoked the wild one with tobacco one and a swear i could taste coumarins - and things did get a bit odd for a few minutes. my cutting never made it
somewhere around mexico city you should be able to find seeds of Datura ceratocaula
I want to see Salvia divinorum seeds. Collectors in the mid / late 90's? reported finding plenty of seeds on some plants - presumably when 2 different clones grow close enough it occurs. i have just been searching for an HOUR to find tha data again with no luck. anyway - i wish the seed grown clones were more widely grown and traded.
it is very possible (done with Garlic) to restore fertility to hybrids and cultigens by successively raising them from the few seed they produce.
swing by and get seed of Passiflora jorrulensis and see if it really is useful as a cannabis substitute (Ratsch)
will somebody PLEASE go to Puerto Rico and get those damn peregrina seeds?! The Real deal occurs there. Easier to get to than the Orinoco headwaters as well.
still heading south
nowhere near diplo country yet
you really dont have to leave the North american continent just yet
i tell ya i personally am hoping and waiting you will find them
then your friends in Sth america can get you
Diplo
Trujillo coca (coca cola variety)
Black ayahuasca
Calliandra anomala, C pentandra, C angustifolia
Yoco
Tetrapterys
malouettia tamarquina
Tabernaemontana sananho
Maquira sclerophylla
Ilex guayusa
Brugmansia vulcanicola
Coro - Trichocline reptans
Uncaria tomentosa clones
some nice fresh seeds of Commercial Mate and Guarana
anyway thatll do me
i know people of the moment wants diplo
but we will get it, but then what? we need to remeber to ask whats comes next
when diplo is as common as capi. Mostly Diplo is just DMT. We already have DMT and some of us dont like it that much.
and also just because time is running out. every year the forest get cleared, the old knowledge dies. border security gets tighter.
btw
nice forum you have
pleased to meet ya :)
Perfect! thats exactly what I was looking for. You've reintroduced a lot of names I had forgotten about. Thanks for that.
I know right off that Banisteriopsis muricata is possible. Individuals were collected last year but are as of yet untested. Paullinia cupana and Uncaria tormentosa are also possible but were not collected.
Some of the other species may well be possible, but so far I've been unable to find two sources stating their occurrence in my area. Namely, Maquiira sclerophylla, Trujillo, and A. peregrina.
"And then what" is a rather good question. I'm not sure. We're at a severe disadvantage, dealing with plants that are politically sticky. If they were crop plants, we'd have grant money and probably assorted botanical gardens interested in collections. As it stands we have a hodge podge of interested individuals. Some with very capable propagation skills and others rather lacking. Whether or not one personally enjoys the contained chemicals is irrelevant as far as i'm concerned. If there is interest in preserving a species of (once) cultural importance thats good enough for me.
There are suitable habitats out there. When I first got involved in the community I saw some of the first P. viridis and B. caapi go to interested parties. Now I occasionally see posts stating that caapi has over run a fence and cuttings are for the taking, and thick beautiful patches of P. viridis bushes. And S. divinorium now has a much wider habitat than it did perhaps 30 years ago.
I actually don't think these plants are as important to preserve as some of the related species that might contain similar compounds. They're the ones forgotten about and cleared for cattle. It has to start somewhere though. And border security WILL get tighter.
so its no exaggeration to say that time is running out.
anyway thanks again for the list. Add to it anytime you source something else interesting...
oh and i promise to get you some sassafras this summer : )
Thanks
theres 2 botanical types
var molle
and the other one i cant locate right now :o
i wouldnt mind making root beer, ive even sourced sarsparilla plants now (S ornata)
but i also want them for making file powder or gumbo powder
so ive been thinking and theres more...
in the nOrth
where is Papaver bracteatum?
Cyripedium - lady slipper orchids
Pedilanthus
down south
Banisteriopsis argentea
Cabi paraensis = Callaeum antifebrile
Neoraimondia macrostibas
Armatocereus laetus
Dictyoloma incanescens - 5 Meo
Africa (and madagascar)
Boophane distichum
Dioscorea dregeanum
Cullen obtusifolium
Calabar bean - antidote
Other Catha species than edulis
Vepris ampody - 0.2% DMT
Catharantheus lanceus (yohimbine in leaf)
Asia
the other 3 mandrakes of the 5
Atropa turcomanica
Atropa caulescens
and the other one
Alstonia species with high proportions of yohimbine
Alpinia species rich in Kavalactones
Australasia and the Pacific
Melicope leptococca
Dutaillyea drupacea - 5 MeO sole alk in leaves at 0.04%
Acacia simplex and its relatives
BTW which Hawaian is going to test Acacia koa for me? it walks like a duck...
PNG nicotine rich Duboisia myoporoides
Erythroxylum ecarinatum (0.11% tropacocaine)
and more when i remember
A quick search shows that the papaver bracteatum seeds are available from kew gardens
Irie,
I don't know much about cacti but is this Neoraimondia macrostibas???
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I know where a big one is....well old enough to flower....I'll keep my eye on it....
Also have these in season now......
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Respect
Z
out of curiosity what is that bottom picture zaka?
Irie Floyd,
That fruit is from a vine locally called "Cocouli" Mormordica charantia...
A great medicine plant....used here for asthma....Just generally good for colds, fever, high blood pressure, a deterrent against cancer......
Respect
Z
The bottom one is known in english as a bitter gourd
aka
Foo gwa
Kerala
balsam pear (though oft saved for diff species)
it looks like a wild type
cultivated ones look different
larger
all shapes and sizes from white to deep green
you scoop out the middleand the pith and slice it up like celery
its bitter so acquired taste
stir fries
raw condiment
but better dipped in tempura and served with beer
apparently can be stuffed with pork or prawn and served in a penang style red curry
contains quinine and a range of other immune stimulating substances
lowers blood sugar levels significantly so excellent for type 2 diabetics
re bracteatum
the problem is Australian customs
its a customs prohibited import
so getting it here is a problem
i dont know what the fuss is about? it doesnt even contain morphine, only thebaine
That cactus is Cereus peruvianus.
And to add to the list:
Psychotria colorata.
Juicemonkey, I want to research the a. koa you mention, I live on Hawaii and can test it out, but can you give me a link to info about its chem/parts profile? I searched and found nothing. Thanks...
besides diplopterys I'd like desmodium pulchellum which no vendor has seeds for it gorws in china though.
Id like to see Duboisia hopwoodii seeds traded. ( not to be confused with Duboisia myoporoides which is already readily available).
Piper methysticum var. "Moi"
Catha edulis "red stemmed"
Catha edulis " narrowleaf"