does anyone know much about the chemistry behind creating mda?
It cant be too complexseeing as it comes out smelling the same.
anyway swim was wondering. a usefull medicine..
peace, ~S-N~
We are not a chem site and making illegal chemicals is not our thing. Try rhodium, the hive, blue light or a few others and you should get the info you desire.
whoa, I was just curious.. didn't mean to strike a nerve.
I used to belong here, along time ago.. if your plants are without chemicals, for certain you are barking up the wrong tree :idea:
peace, ~S-N~
No, the chemistry isn't very complex but acquiring the chemicals and some of the glassware needed can be very difficult/risky.
Sassafras oil and Safrole are both watched by the DEA and ordering any amount may attract attention one wouldn't want. Making ones own oil might be the safest way to go about this.
You are quite welcome to stay and this is the correct sub-forum to ask questions like this. However, there are other sites out there (some named above) that will have more current and detailed info regarding this, than we do here.
Thanks.
Yeah, I wasn't telling you to get lost, SN. We normally advise new people on the customs here. I didn't want to see you getting into a whole thing on that which might upset some of the long time members who some of them don't want discussion of anything illegal at all. I was just saying that extraction and synthesis of illegal things are what you will find on those other sites. kemp was correct in that they do watch people ordering those things and some others that you might not think they would watch.
We can discuss personal drug use but frown on encouraging others to do anything illegal. We have a few who like to push the boundaries and so we tell everyone the policies up front. Feel free to browse and contribute.
A swing and a miss.
nick: We frown on self incrimination around here. That said, I don't see the problem with your post.
This isn't the first time the mod in question failed to get it right. The other mods don't seem to have this problem. Maybe we could take up a collection to send him to moderators school. :e_wink:
lw
Join the DMT-Nexus, they are some chemisty fools over there!
I've got sassafras plants if you want them, but I certainly wouldn't try turning them into something illegal, the roots make a nice tea tho.
Sorry about the typos.
I typed this without my glasses so I am now wearing them.
MDA and MMDA were first synthesized from amphetamine in the early 1900s, around 1914 by chemist Georges Alles.
Years later in the late 1950s, Sasha Shulgin, working for Dow Chemicals, and at the same time, worked at a court spokesperson for the DEA drug cases. He was the person who identified illegal drugs brought before the court. During that period in his life, he found that a majority of the essential oils of spices where chemically phenylethylamines.
So one could use Safrole amd myristicine from saffron and sassafras and from nutmeg and mace, dill-apiole and apiole from Spanish Dill and Dill, fennyl oil from fennyl seed and several other essential oils from from spices and could synthesize numerous compounds related to Meth and mescaline. Eventually writing Pihkal and Tihkal.
Also piperonal 3, 4, methlylenedioxybenzaldehyde can be converted in three steps to MDA which is 3,4 methylenedioxyamphetamine. The process is referred to as the Claisen Rearrangement.
However, as noted above, it is illegal to make these compounds in the USA. Most pharmaceutical drug catalogs list many of these compounds under two different classifications in their catalogs. And the chemicals used as precursors are watched chemicals by the DEA and are listed as Chemicals Under the Control of the DEA and there is usually an accompanying page which reads as, Chemicals Not Under Control of the DEA.
Those pages are in most major pharmaceutical firms drug catalogs and on the DEA websites pages on the internet.
And they are illegal.
boomer2
Again, sorry about the typos.
As someone who watch several kilos of MDMA being manufactured in the late 1970s and early 1980s, I was honored to watch an amount like a kilo being made in 24 hours, and those were sold to doctors and psychiatrists across the USA for donations to a Church's non-profit corporation who donated food and blankets to third world countries and had a tax exemption as a church so no0 sales were made as a sale. A Considerable contribution was all one needed to be worthy of having an ounce in their office safe.
And Kemp, while h I have witnessed MDA made from piperonal, It was with the Claisen Rearrangement process which was used to manufacture the substance.
My chemistry is dead , but I seem to recall, Ammoniate it, Nitrate it and then dehydrogenate it.
We use to have these little filters for the chemical as they were dried after spinning and when dumped into the stirring flask, we would also get a gram or so off each of the filters after they dried out and the flasks from the stirring rod would have large rosettes of crystals forming on the rod and on the sides of the flask.
I actually liked MDA more than most other compounds until after PIHKAL came put. I was fortunate to now have tried over 27 of those recipe products in the last 15-years. I like the 2-ct-7 a lot and Bromo (2CB) I have had since 1978. Unfortunately, I have great stories I cannot share with everyone about some of those treasures I was most fortunate to experience in those turbulent times.
I was not aware of a two step conversion of MDA from Piperonal.
Have a shroomy day and I will try to watch my typos next time around
And thanks for the critique, I was unaware of it until I opened the thread up today.
boomer2
Boomer, I don't want to be an ass but, you really need to do a spell check.
Almost everything about this sentence is wrong -
QuoteAlso pipyronol 3, 4, methlyinedioxy-bensalhdyhyde can ce convert t in three steps to MDA which is 2,4,methylinedyoxyamphetamine. IT is known as the Claissen Rearrangement.
pipyronol = piperonal
3, 4, methlyinedioxy-bensalhdyhyde = 3,4 methylenedioxybenzaldehyde
MDA is 3,4 methylenedioxyamphetamine
and Claissen should be Claisen
btw- I also think MDA can be synthed in two steps from piperonal :smoke2: