History suggests he will not listen. Big pharma and other money players are against it. What will it take, a revolution?
http://www.losangeleschronicle.com/articles/79859 (http://www.losangeleschronicle.com/articles/79859)
An over-whelming majority favor the legalization of marijuana, according to a new Headline Press survey. The new poll found that 86% of all those surveyed favor the decriminalization of pot.
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The online survey, conducted over the last two weeks of October, found that only 14% of those surveyed do not want the use of marijuana legalized. Studies indicate that the medicinal use of marijuana aids in the healing or prevention of cataracts, broken bones, a variety of cancers and other ailments.
Opponents of the legalization of marijuana argue that since the use of alcohol is already legal in all states the usage of marijuana should continue to be outlawed. Controversy surrounds the usage of marijuana, despite increasing scientific evidence that its long term damage effects are limited. A state law in California allows the legal dispensing of marijuana for medical purposes.
Those who favor its legalization point to the lack of law enforcement in many other areas, criticizing lawmakers and other government leaders for allowing the growth of white collar crime, which helped to damage the national economy with the credit crisis through actions on Wall Street.
Enforcing marijuana prohibition costs American taxpayers roughly $10 billion annually and results in more than 829,000 arrests a year, far more than the total number of arrests for all violent crimes combined. The arrests are much easier to obtain by police than the time and effort required to produce arrests in many other areas of law enforcement.
I don't think it will be decriminalized.
Ya know if i have a headache or pain id rather make opium tea than take a tylenol but i cant do it cause our government thinks its bad.
I think opium would be alot better for the human body than some synthetic like tylenol. We didnt evolve to take man-made shit and its only been around for 150 or less years.
We have taken herbal medicines on the other hand for a long time.
I think marijuana will continue to remain illegal because if they legalize it the government wont make any money off it because everyone will grow their own and not buy from the stores.
I think alot of intelligent unclosedminded people know the reason it is illegal is because of economics and not cause its bad.
Government only likes when they can make money and that will always be the case with alcohol and tobacco and not with marijuana.
The word marijuana was even created to make it sound bad. I dont like that word id prefer to call it Cannabis
Sure you could brew your own beer but i looked into it and unless you grow the barley, hops, and other ingredients it is going to end up costing the same to buy them and will probably taste like shit unless u know what your doing.
Tobacco is the same story. It doesnt grow 3-8 feet and produce alot you need alot of plants and not just 1 plant to produce what u need.
You need some greenhouses to do that. Cannabis on the otherhand is easy to grow.
I think dea, police ,etc would be out of jobs if they made it illegal since it is the #1 illegal drug abused in america.
QuoteTobacco is the same story. It doesnt grow 3-8 feet and produce alot you need alot of plants and not just 1 plant to produce what u need.
Sorry man buts that bullshit, I grow a bunch of tobacco myself this year!
Quote from: "dogbane26"I think dea, police ,etc would be out of jobs if they made it illegal since it is the #1 illegal drug abused in America.
Please give a reference for this juicy lil factoid.
Quote from: "dogbane26"Tobacco is the same story. It doesn't grow 3-8 feet and produce a lot you need a lot of plants and not just 1 plant to produce what u need.
I would need a lot more than one pot plant to maintain a habit such as is my tobacco habit.
Quote from: "dogbane26"I think marijuana will continue to remain illegal because if they legalize it the government wont make any money off it because everyone will grow their own and not buy from the stores.
There will be thousands if not millions of people buying pot from stores, just as there are millions buying tobacco products. It is a fact of life, people are lazy.
More likely illegal because it will relegate many pharmaceutical products into irrelevance. Else would big pharma not have really got into marketing it and selling it on a grander scale ? They could but I think the damage it would causes to their finances on other products is huge.
Dogbane, I think your claims that people would rush out to grow it have been refuted. It's legal to brew your own wine and spirits most places but very very few do. They would rather buy. Same with tobacco which is easy to grow. Same with a lot of things. You do have one point, in that we would save a ton of money not locking up millions of people every year for what amounts to political crimes.
Now that Obama is the official winner, as I had said all along, is he going to do anything about this? I say no. All presidents who were accused of being stoners or dopers have cracked down harshly on fellow stoners to show... I'm not sure what they were trying to show. Maybe to show what big hypocrites they were? Clinton locked up more people for drugs than any president before him. Even more than mr law-and-order Reagan. Most likely Obama will follow that path. He has already flipped and flopped on his earlier pledge to go easy on medical pot patients.
You would think that 86% of the public can not be ignored. We shall see.
Sure people could grow their own tobacco but it would take up alot more space which i doubt most people have unless they have greenhouses, own a lot of property and have the land to do it on but that would be a problem if you live where the growing season is short. Im not sure how much tobacco you could grow in the summer and then store yearround to smoke?
Cannabis takes alot less space to produce the end product that you need.
The lazy argument is true for alot of things but its not that hard to grow just an initial investment of some grow lights.
Beer is harder to brew and government makes so much off of selling it.
My point is even if u sell anything if government doesnt get a cut you will be in trouble thats why it wont be legalized because many will grow their own.
Even on here if u are making more than 600.00 a year selling products you have to pay taxes.
Id like to try making wine actually.
Anyone here made elderberry wine?
War on drugs is based on racism. Blaming chinese using opium and how they would then seduce white women, blacks it was cocaine, latinos marijuana...etc.
It was on the history channel: Illict drugs and how they got that way.
Most americans dont know the reason. They just think they are bad when we all know alcohol and tobacco isnt any better. It is just a money making thing for the government.
They make alot off selling tobacco, and booze.
Quote from: "dogbane26"They make a lot off selling tobacco, and booze.
They sure do! They'd make just as much selling marijuana.
Quote from: "dogbane26"The word marijuana was even created to make it sound bad. I don't like that word id prefer to call it Cannabis
I highly doubt any government, American or foreign, had any say in naming it marijuana. Where do you come up with this stuff?
QuoteDogbane, I think your claims that people would rush out to grow it have been refuted. It's legal to brew your own wine and spirits most places but very very few do. They would rather buy. Same with tobacco which is easy to grow. Same with a lot of things. You do have one point, in that we would save a ton of money not locking up millions of people every year for what amounts to political crimes.
Cannabis is different, an entire culture based around something illegal has been created... Imagine, everyone who has ever considered growing cannabis suddenly can legally do so... now some of those people will rush out and grow... but I think most will notice... hey, I can just buy this stuff legally now!
I think it's real fucking simple.... Americans should vote! If we did that tho... everybody knows cannabis would be legal!!!
QuoteSure people could grow their own tobacco but it would take up alot more space which i doubt most people have unless they have greenhouses, own a lot of property and have the land to do it on but that would be a problem if you live where the growing season is short. Im not sure how much tobacco you could grow in the summer and then store yearround to smoke?
With a little over 10 plants, I project to have as much as 5,000-10,000 cigs. I'm not a big smoker so this will probably last for years. The older the tobacco gets, the better it gets, tobacco has an infinite self life. As a matter of fact, older tobacco is always considered better.
Here's a picture of the young plants, they reached over 8 feet tall when they were fully grown.
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Syd I believe dogbane is right about calling cannabis marijuana. I think the powers that were in the 30s wanted ti associate with Mexican immigrants.
Quote from: "JRL"Syd I believe dogbane is right about calling cannabis marijuana. I think the powers that were in the 30s wanted ti associate with Mexican immigrants.
Close JRL. Check this (//http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marijuana_(etymology)) out. It states "The term marijuana for cannabis, in English-language usage, dates to the end of the 1800s. One theory is that anti-cannabis crusaders popularized the term to take advantage of fears of Spanish immigrants carrying the drug.". Though this is just one theory among many if dug into deeper.
Lovely plants Teotzlcoatl!
I stand corrected. AS far as people growing there own if legalized, if California is any measure people will grow their own. so many people are growing "medical pot" that te street price of very good bud is down from $350/oz to $200.
So you are against legalization because it would drive down the price? I say drive it right down. And anyway, even with the price of a good bottle of scotch costing well over $50, people are not brewing their own that much. Even with the price of cigs over $2 a pack, (or is it $3?) not many are growing and rolling their own.
Stoney, again you put words in my mouth and misunderstand what I said. Not sure where your view of what I said came from. I am all for legalization, obviously. Plus I am a dope consumer not a dealer, so the price shift is nothing but a relief. My point was merely that in this case, people have taken advantage of the decriminalization to grow their own under the medical umbrella. Just sharing the facts that I have experienced here in California.
Ok, let us put this pissing contest to rest, I truely believe we want the same things. I got enough agravation in real life with trying to make living, sick parents and preserving my sobriety, I come here for fellowship and relaxation mostly. I just don't want to work that hard.
The bottom line is Obama won. He is our president and none of us know what or how well he will do. Let us work for renewal and hope for the best.
jrl: I just peeped this thread ONLY because you had posted in it. Don't let him get you down. Any reasonable person out there reading this thread knows you are not standing against decriminalization of da kine.
Its too bad the community isn't able to put mods on "ignore." I'm tired of reading reasonable comments getting followed by remarks like we see above.
lw
JRL, I'm sorry to hear about your troubles. I merely asked you to clarify your position, in what way is that a "pissing contest"? You feel free to say people's points of view are not relevant or imply they have no right to their opinions when you don't agree with them. But if someone has a different point of view and questions you, you act like a big victim who is being picked on.
You said medical growers were "taking advantage" of the system and driving down prices. That sounded like criticism and I asked you how you meant it. You are free to say whatever you like, what does your personal life have to do with it? Want to hear about my problems? No, I didn't think so.
I would be more than willing to hear about your troubles, this place is a support group for many and I use it as such. I really would like to know more about you.
Well I thought the "taking advantage" post was fairly clear in stating my views. Like lw said, it's pretty obvious what side of this question I am on, and I was the one that told Teo I thought there should be no laws pertaining to substance use. If you need more to go on, let me know!
OK, JRL, that's cool. I think we are on the same side. I think we both agree legalization is the way to go. I'm a little unsure about stuff like meth but if there were legal alternatives, I don't think people would mess with stuff like that so much. When they make everything illegal, people assume anything illegal is good. I can't see Obama changing much about that but I'd be happy to be shown wrong. :D
That is the problem stoney. The young kids smoke weed and then they say that wasn't bad it wasn't like our government said about it so then next they try meth and say hey meth isnt bad either. Meth is too much man made chemicals to be good for anything. Id say cocaine is more natural even though it still isnt since the dose u use doesnt occur naturally. I know its found in coca plants but it doesnt occur in that amount even in the plant. It is still more natural than that meth crap. Same thing with Salvia divinorum. In a way those extracts arn't helping to not become illegal.
The Mazatecs never made 5x,10x, 20x extracts. They chewed the leaves and didnt even smoke them. Its like the incas didnt snort cocaine. Govt doesnt care its bad either way to them. Thats how they see it.
Government says alcohol and cigs are ok. Like it was ok when white man came here and stole the land from the indians and got them addicted to alcohol and that helped kill them off too. Alcohol sounds great and all the other stuff we can just call drugs, Of course alcohol isn't a drug!
But govt also says peyote is bad. Its not bad cause its a hallucinogen originally it was bad cause it was thought by the catholic church to be of the devil. Religion is to blame for making alot of plants illegal.
Peyote helps alcohol addiction. Hallucinogens it seems arnt addictive and even lsd was thought at onetime to help alcoholism. Iboga no wonder it works.
The term Marijuana comes from Spanish for Mary Jane, of course. It was just a slang usage too.
Geez I hope not !! In the province I'm from its the second biggest industry. I am of course kidding, but governments know that the economical repercussions of legal pot would be huge. In the town I live its the only industry other than tourism, and they sort of dove tale, pot tourism :D The local businesses count on the outdoor harvest, new cars are bought, people go on holidays, and a lot of toys like allterrain vehicles are sold. People here were crapping their pants when California held a vote on legalization. It would just cost way to much to legalize. Maybe if the economy gets real flush again governments might entertain the idea. Or if the corporates think they can make money at it they may exert pressure on government for legalization and patenting of strains and names. A mixed blessing. At least the way it is we dont have to deal with a pot Monsanto for seeds of known strains.
I for one have had it with the 'elitist' act LW. You don't know any damn better than the rest of us, so kindly fuck off telling us how things should be.
LOL Huh?
lw