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Title: New York Times Endorses Barack Obama for President
Post by: cenacle on October 24, 2008, 03:29:38 PM
Barack Obama for President

Published October 24, 2008 by the New York Times
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Hyperbole is the currency of presidential campaigns, but this year the nation’s future truly hangs in the balance.

The United States is battered and drifting after eight years of President Bush’s failed leadership. He is saddling his successor with two wars, a scarred global image and a government systematically stripped of its ability to protect and help its citizens â€" whether they are fleeing a hurricane’s floodwaters, searching for affordable health care or struggling to hold on to their homes, jobs, savings and pensions in the midst of a financial crisis that was foretold and preventable.

As tough as the times are, the selection of a new president is easy. After nearly two years of a grueling and ugly campaign, Senator Barack Obama of Illinois has proved that he is the right choice to be the 44th president of the United States.

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Mr. Obama has met challenge after challenge, growing as a leader and putting real flesh on his early promises of hope and change. He has shown a cool head and sound judgment. We believe he has the will and the ability to forge the broad political consensus that is essential to finding solutions to this nation’s problems.

In the same time, Senator John McCain of Arizona has retreated farther and farther to the fringe of American politics, running a campaign on partisan division, class warfare and even hints of racism. His policies and worldview are mired in the past. His choice of a running mate so evidently unfit for the office was a final act of opportunism and bad judgment that eclipsed the accomplishments of 26 years in Congress.

Given the particularly ugly nature of Mr. McCain’s campaign, the urge to choose on the basis of raw emotion is strong. But there is a greater value in looking closely at the facts of life in America today and at the prescriptions the candidates offer. The differences are profound.

Mr. McCain offers more of the Republican every-man-for-himself ideology, now lying in shards on Wall Street and in Americans’ bank accounts. Mr. Obama has another vision of government’s role and responsibilities.

In his convention speech in Denver, Mr. Obama said, “Government cannot solve all our problems, but what it should do is that which we cannot do for ourselves: protect us from harm and provide every child a decent education; keep our water clean and our toys safe; invest in new schools and new roads and new science and technology.”

Since the financial crisis, he has correctly identified the abject failure of government regulation that has brought the markets to the brink of collapse.

The Economy

The American financial system is the victim of decades of Republican deregulatory and anti-tax policies. Those ideas have been proved wrong at an unfathomable price, but Mr. McCain â€" a self-proclaimed “foot soldier in the Reagan revolution” â€" is still a believer.

Mr. Obama sees that far-reaching reforms will be needed to protect Americans and American business.

Mr. McCain talks about reform a lot, but his vision is pinched. His answer to any economic question is to eliminate pork-barrel spending â€" about $18 billion in a $3 trillion budget â€" cut taxes and wait for unfettered markets to solve the problem.

Mr. Obama is clear that the nation’s tax structure must be changed to make it fairer. That means the well-off Americans who have benefited disproportionately from Mr. Bush’s tax cuts will have to pay some more. Working Americans, who have seen their standard of living fall and their children’s options narrow, will benefit. Mr. Obama wants to raise the minimum wage and tie it to inflation, restore a climate in which workers are able to organize unions if they wish and expand educational opportunities.

Mr. McCain, who once opposed President Bush’s tax cuts for the wealthy as fiscally irresponsible, now wants to make them permanent. And while he talks about keeping taxes low for everyone, his proposed cuts would overwhelmingly benefit the top 1 percent of Americans while digging the country into a deeper fiscal hole.

National Security

The American military â€" its people and equipment â€" is dangerously overstretched. Mr. Bush has neglected the necessary war in Afghanistan, which now threatens to spiral into defeat. The unnecessary and staggeringly costly war in Iraq must be ended as quickly and responsibly as possible.

While Iraq’s leaders insist on a swift drawdown of American troops and a deadline for the end of the occupation, Mr. McCain is still talking about some ill-defined “victory.” As a result, he has offered no real plan for extracting American troops and limiting any further damage to Iraq and its neighbors.

Mr. Obama was an early and thoughtful opponent of the war in Iraq, and he has presented a military and diplomatic plan for withdrawing American forces. Mr. Obama also has correctly warned that until the Pentagon starts pulling troops out of Iraq, there will not be enough troops to defeat the Taliban and Al Qaeda in Afghanistan.

Mr. McCain, like Mr. Bush, has only belatedly focused on Afghanistan’s dangerous unraveling and the threat that neighboring Pakistan may quickly follow.

Mr. Obama would have a learning curve on foreign affairs, but he has already showed sounder judgment than his opponent on these critical issues. His choice of Senator Joseph Biden â€" who has deep foreign-policy expertise â€" as his running mate is another sign of that sound judgment. Mr. McCain’s long interest in foreign policy and the many dangers this country now faces make his choice of Gov. Sarah Palin of Alaska more irresponsible.

Both presidential candidates talk about strengthening alliances in Europe and Asia, including NATO, and strongly support Israel. Both candidates talk about repairing America’s image in the world. But it seems clear to us that Mr. Obama is far more likely to do that â€" and not just because the first black president would present a new American face to the world.

Mr. Obama wants to reform the United Nations, while Mr. McCain wants to create a new entity, the League of Democracies â€" a move that would incite even fiercer anti-American furies around the world.

Unfortunately, Mr. McCain, like Mr. Bush, sees the world as divided into friends (like Georgia) and adversaries (like Russia). He proposed kicking Russia out of the Group of 8 industrialized nations even before the invasion of Georgia. We have no sympathy for Moscow’s bullying, but we also have no desire to replay the cold war. The United States must find a way to constrain the Russians’ worst impulses, while preserving the ability to work with them on arms control and other vital initiatives.

Both candidates talk tough on terrorism, and neither has ruled out military action to end Iran’s nuclear weapons program. But Mr. Obama has called for a serious effort to try to wean Tehran from its nuclear ambitions with more credible diplomatic overtures and tougher sanctions. Mr. McCain’s willingness to joke about bombing Iran was frightening.

The Constitution and the Rule of Law

Under Mr. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney, the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, the justice system and the separation of powers have come under relentless attack. Mr. Bush chose to exploit the tragedy of Sept. 11, 2001, the moment in which he looked like the president of a unified nation, to try to place himself above the law.

Mr. Bush has arrogated the power to imprison men without charges and browbeat Congress into granting an unfettered authority to spy on Americans. He has created untold numbers of “black” programs, including secret prisons and outsourced torture. The president has issued hundreds, if not thousands, of secret orders. We fear it will take years of forensic research to discover how many basic rights have been violated.

Both candidates have renounced torture and are committed to closing the prison camp in Guantánamo Bay, Cuba.

But Mr. Obama has gone beyond that, promising to identify and correct Mr. Bush’s attacks on the democratic system. Mr. McCain has been silent on the subject.

Mr. McCain improved protections for detainees. But then he helped the White House push through the appalling Military Commissions Act of 2006, which denied detainees the right to a hearing in a real court and put Washington in conflict with the Geneva Conventions, greatly increasing the risk to American troops.

The next president will have the chance to appoint one or more justices to a Supreme Court that is on the brink of being dominated by a radical right wing. Mr. Obama may appoint less liberal judges than some of his followers might like, but Mr. McCain is certain to pick rigid ideologues. He has said he would never appoint a judge who believes in women’s reproductive rights.

The Candidates

It will be an enormous challenge just to get the nation back to where it was before Mr. Bush, to begin to mend its image in the world and to restore its self-confidence and its self-respect. Doing all of that, and leading America forward, will require strength of will, character and intellect, sober judgment and a cool, steady hand.

Mr. Obama has those qualities in abundance. Watching him being tested in the campaign has long since erased the reservations that led us to endorse Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton in the Democratic primaries. He has drawn in legions of new voters with powerful messages of hope and possibility and calls for shared sacrifice and social responsibility.

Mr. McCain, whom we chose as the best Republican nominee in the primaries, has spent the last coins of his reputation for principle and sound judgment to placate the limitless demands and narrow vision of the far-right wing. His righteous fury at being driven out of the 2000 primaries on a racist tide aimed at his adopted daughter has been replaced by a zealous embrace of those same win-at-all-costs tactics and tacticians.

He surrendered his standing as an independent thinker in his rush to embrace Mr. Bush’s misbegotten tax policies and to abandon his leadership position on climate change and immigration reform.

Mr. McCain could have seized the high ground on energy and the environment. Earlier in his career, he offered the first plausible bill to control America’s emissions of greenhouse gases. Now his positions are a caricature of that record: think Ms. Palin leading chants of “drill, baby, drill.”

Mr. Obama has endorsed some offshore drilling, but as part of a comprehensive strategy including big investments in new, clean technologies.

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Mr. Obama has withstood some of the toughest campaign attacks ever mounted against a candidate. He’s been called un-American and accused of hiding a secret Islamic faith. The Republicans have linked him to domestic terrorists and questioned his wife’s love of her country. Ms. Palin has also questioned millions of Americans’ patriotism, calling Republican-leaning states “pro-America.”

This politics of fear, division and character assassination helped Mr. Bush drive Mr. McCain from the 2000 Republican primaries and defeat Senator John Kerry in 2004. It has been the dominant theme of his failed presidency.

The nation’s problems are simply too grave to be reduced to slashing “robo-calls” and negative ads. This country needs sensible leadership, compassionate leadership, honest leadership and strong leadership. Barack Obama has shown that he has all of those qualities.
Title: Re: New York Times Endorses Barack Obama for President
Post by: cenacle on October 24, 2008, 03:32:19 PM
Got my mail-in ballot in hand, and going to be sending it in on Tuesday. In a time of worldwide economic disaster, wars, panic, Barack Obama offers a measured amount of hope for us all. I will cast my vote more proudly for him than any other vote I've cast in my lifetime. And hope for the best for all us.
Title: Re: New York Times Endorses Barack Obama for President
Post by: Stonehenge on October 25, 2008, 02:41:04 PM
Hmmm, one of the most liberal papers on the planet endorses Obama. That has all the uncertainty of the sun rising in the east. It would be news if they didn't endorse him.

Colin Powell endorsed Obama, now that is news and may help him get elected.

It looks like your man will be able to coast to an easy victory.
Title: Re: New York Times Endorses Barack Obama for President
Post by: caulfield on October 27, 2008, 05:09:13 PM
Quote from: "Stonehenge"Hmmm, one of the most liberal papers on the planet endorses Obama. That has all the uncertainty of the sun rising in the east. It would be news if they didn't endorse him.
Alaska's largest and most widely read newspaper, the Anchorage Daily News (winner of 2 Pulitzer prizes), also endorsed Obama. That is PALIN'S HOMESTATE where she is GOVERNOR!
 :mrgreen:
Title: Re: New York Times Endorses Barack Obama for President
Post by: cenacle on October 27, 2008, 06:32:32 PM
Quote from: "Stonehenge"Hmmm, one of the most liberal papers on the planet endorses Obama. That has all the uncertainty of the sun rising in the east. It would be news if they didn't endorse him.

Colin Powell endorsed Obama, now that is news and may help him get elected.

It looks like your man will be able to coast to an easy victory.


I am hopeful for the victory, but that's just the first step in trying to get things better. There are so many problems--wars, the economy, etc--it's going to be a long first year for him as President. He's said over and over it's going to take awhile.
Title: Re: New York Times Endorses Barack Obama for President
Post by: laughingwillow on October 27, 2008, 11:22:39 PM
No such thing as an easy victory when racism is as prevalent is it is here in these united states.

lw
Title: Re: New York Times Endorses Barack Obama for President
Post by: senorsalvia on October 28, 2008, 01:54:26 PM
I walked downtown yesterday morning and voted.  (Fl allows early voting)...  What surprised and filled me with hope was the number of folks that were there!!  The line stretched all along the building and out to the sidewalk...  I'm guessing this means that the public at large is taking this election seriously...  In my unscientific appraisal,  I'd guess the median age of the voters were approximately 27..  Methinks this will bode well for those of the Democratic persuasion...  Matter 'o Fact, out on the sidewalk there were dozens of Obama supporters with banners, pins and t-shirts...  I saw only 2 McCan't workers...  All in all, to my way of thinking;  this might be the time AmeriKKKa will see some substantial and long overdue changes...  Sidenote:...  There was a Fl constitutional amendment ballot to vote on making marriage a union only between a man and a woman...  It did not spell out any details or mention civil unions etc at all...  Seemed blatantly anti gay..  I voted aginst it...  My guess, knowing the redneck mentality of Fl, it will pass by a landslide.....
Title: Re: New York Times Endorses Barack Obama for President
Post by: caulfield on October 28, 2008, 03:47:00 PM
Actually SS, from the current tally of early & mail in voters, I heard that this is like the first time in history that the majority of early votes are for the democrat. Repubs are the ones known to take advantage of voting early, but quite alot of young people did so this year and voted dem.

Here in CA, prop 8 is the proposed amendment to the wording of the constitution to prevent the inclusion of homosexuals in the prospective union of marriage. What surprises me (greatly) though is that the issue is about 50/50 here in Los Angeles... And we are supposed to be "crazy liberal" here. For the most part, I blame the negative ad campaign that the proponents have been running (rife with propaganda).

I have been very vocal about my disgust over this amendment, but when I hit opposition, it is utterly adamant...
Title: Re: New York Times Endorses Barack Obama for President
Post by: Stonehenge on October 31, 2008, 06:33:14 PM
Mccain is moving closer but that's just to make it more interesting. It looks like it would still take a miracle for him to win at this point.
Title: Re: New York Times Endorses Barack Obama for President
Post by: Bushpig on November 01, 2008, 11:14:25 AM
Erm, all besides the point really hey, would have thought after the voting scandal last time anyone at all is bothering to turn up..

Bp
Title: Re: New York Times Endorses Barack Obama for President
Post by: JRL on November 01, 2008, 12:47:46 PM
Exactly the opposite, my friend. They are projecting record turn outs. Beside the point????????? There is so much at stake here and it has mobilized many people.

Elections are stolen from the bottom not the top, vigilance and trained poll watchers can do a lot to insure fairness.
Title: Re: New York Times Endorses Barack Obama for President
Post by: laughingwillow on November 01, 2008, 02:26:48 PM
Actually, the more that turn out, the more difficult it is to throw an election. We have a ton of incentive to vote this time around. There is a lot at stake and people know it.

lw
Title: Re: New York Times Endorses Barack Obama for President
Post by: Bushpig on November 01, 2008, 03:35:11 PM
But the winner has already been chosen and I do not think for a moment any of the citizens had a choice.  Hence besides the point.
Title: Re: New York Times Endorses Barack Obama for President
Post by: JRL on November 01, 2008, 05:45:08 PM
Piggers, I don't think you understand how elections are stolen. I have read extensivly, and elections are fixed by point shaving, like basketball games.

So I would like to see your proof the "the winner has already been chosen".

As messed up as MY formerly great country is, I still believe we have checks and balances and laws. It is the attitude of "it's beside the point" that has allowed it to get so messed up. And one thing we can thank George II for is being such an outrageous criminla that many people have woken up. There will be an army off trained poll watchers and attorneys on the ground, plus many progressives I know are working at the polls. I am on a list of people that will be on call to assist. The way the last election was stolen in a lot of places was by making it difficult and uncomfortable for people in favor of regime change to vote, so we will be on call to bring food and support where ever it is needed.



BTW, since you have so much inside information, tell me who is gonna win so I can place my bets now, ok?
Title: Re: New York Times Endorses Barack Obama for President
Post by: Stonehenge on November 01, 2008, 07:31:42 PM
Obama is going to win, I doubt you could get much odds on that bet, probably have to give up a ton of odds. The media selected him. The repubs are not sitting still and are past masters at stealing elections. Not that the demos know nothing about that, look at how Hill won her senate seat. But the repubs brought stealing to new heights. I agree that shrub's greatest contribution was the fact he was so clumsy he brought attention to the thefts and his horrible political appointees were so inept that it could not be covered up any longer. It's hard to sweep a recession and possible depression under the carpet.

Poor Obama will inherit shrubs mess and be putting out fires left and right. No money for his big spending plans, no money for universal health care, no money for anything but propping up the economy. Which will tank anyhow and he will have a tough time escaping some of the blame even though it was all shrub's doing. Or largely shrub, a lot of crookedness to go around.
Title: Re: New York Times Endorses Barack Obama for President
Post by: laughingwillow on November 01, 2008, 08:35:34 PM
THe media selected Obama?

And that's the difference in the campaigns? This is due to the media?

The American people have chosen Obama.  And It started in Iowa earlier in the year.  

lw
Title: Re: New York Times Endorses Barack Obama for President
Post by: Bushpig on November 02, 2008, 05:10:56 AM
JRL,

I do not think YOU understand that it is corporations and wealthy interest groups that control policy, NOT presidents.  Hence 'besides the point'.  Obama and McCain are only there because they have accepted millions of dollars from corporations and such groups so that they can do their bidding!  Now I sincerely hope he gets in, tells em all where to stick it and goes about to some decent work, though such an action will probably result in his death.  Just look into Kennedy and the exectutive order 11110.

In regards to me 'being in the know' do not be so petty as to make silly accusations.  I would 'guess' Obama to Win, just because I think the outcome has already been decieded does not mean I know what the outcome will be!

I just am amazed when I see Obama talking about 'REAL CHANGE' and everyone taking it hook line and sinker, it's coming from a politicians mouth...ermmm, alarm bells ringing anyone?   He may well to many seem like the best of the two, but again I draw you to the notion of private money funding policy.  He may well pull some troops from Iraq, only because there are enough private armies there already to keep save the assets aquired out there.  His actions in Afghanistan and Pakistan will be of utmost interest as well as his relations with AIPAC.

You know, Plato did try and warn us of all this over 2000 years ago.  Wakey wakey.

Boooshpig
Title: Re: New York Times Endorses Barack Obama for President
Post by: laughingwillow on November 02, 2008, 09:59:27 AM
I call bullshit, stoney and bushie.

The media hasn't selected squat. McLame has run such a fucked up campaign that even the media folks have had to stand up and call it how they see it. And if you can't see that, well then, sorry for the reality check, fellah.

lw
Title: Re: New York Times Endorses Barack Obama for President
Post by: laughingwillow on November 02, 2008, 10:02:19 AM
Obama was given NO chance up until the time the votes were being cast in Iowa. Hillary was the corporate and insiders darling. Remember?

Omama came out and organized his way into this position. I watched it happen.

Don't be such a sore loser, stoney. Just because your time has passed politically and bigotry is crumbling before your eyes. That's a good thing.

lw
Title: Re: New York Times Endorses Barack Obama for President
Post by: laughingwillow on November 02, 2008, 10:04:12 AM
Corporate media and special interest lobbies can only influence voters. We The People are still responsible at the end of the day for the outcome no matter how jaded you wish to be.

lw
Title: Re: New York Times Endorses Barack Obama for President
Post by: laughingwillow on November 02, 2008, 10:06:26 AM
LOL yeah, boosh, tell us how the U$ system REALLY works!

Trust me, your understanding, at least as how its represented above is a gross simplification at best.

lw
Title: Re: New York Times Endorses Barack Obama for President
Post by: laughingwillow on November 02, 2008, 10:38:58 AM
btw......

As for the "wakey wakey," comment above...

I'm guessing that's about how I felt when I, for all intents and purposes, discarded the mainstream point of view. However, that was over twenty years ago when I was still a youngster and thought knew everything there was to know about this reality we sow.

lw
Title: Re: New York Times Endorses Barack Obama for President
Post by: Stonehenge on November 02, 2008, 01:04:37 PM
Good points, Bush, about the fact that the candidates, particularly Obama, have accepted millions of dollars from special interests. Last I heard, Obama had taken in over $400 million. He has little choice because if he doesn't accept it, he can't get his message out. I would prefer that a limit of $100 per person be the rule and no corporate or pac money be allowed. But that's the way it is. We shall see how beholden the winner is to those who paid his way.
Title: Re: New York Times Endorses Barack Obama for President
Post by: laughingwillow on November 02, 2008, 01:28:38 PM
We shall see what happens when bigotry takes a hit this election cycle. The old ways are done. Archie Bunker is dead. The smears didn't work. And the racist south isn't going to rise again.

lw
Title: Re: New York Times Endorses Barack Obama for President
Post by: JRL on November 02, 2008, 02:04:19 PM
Well put lw.

It's looking like we will all get a chance to see how Mr. Obama does.

Bush, I do understand about corporate money and power, believe me. Look at Iraq and the Katrina aftermath to see that this country is sold out.

"In regards to me 'being in the know' do not be so petty as to make silly accusations. I would 'guess' Obama to Win, just because I think the outcome has already been decieded does not mean I know what the outcome will be! "

Sorry about the wise ass crack, I was pretty fired up at the time. But I don't see how the results of the election have been preordained. Too many people involved, each precint counts its votes, so even if some of the officials are solidly in on the "conspiracy", there wll be a percentage on the other side and what I guess would be the biggest group, honest people sworn to uphold the law.

But notice I didn't say anything about the last 2 elections not being stolen, because the obviously were. But you can steal a close election with vote shaving but not a landslide.

And let me for the record say one more time: I am not counting on Obama saving the world. I do have high hopes for him and I fear for his life. I have seen the damage the wrong man can do in 8 years, so I am excited by the prospect of a new day. I certainly didn't think I would live to see a black man in the Massa's White House. That alone says a lot to me. Like lw says, bigotry is taking a hit.

"I'm guessing that's about how I felt when I, for all intents and purposes, discarded the mainstream point of view. However, that was over twenty years ago when I was still a youngster and thought knew everything there was to know about this reality we sow."

Me too, lw. Piggers, 40 years ago I would have been right there with you. In 1968 we all thought the collapse of civilisation was nigh. We didn't pay our parking tickets becaue we figured that in the next year the government would crumble, and no one would be there to collect. Most of us didn't expect to live past 30.
Title: Re: New York Times Endorses Barack Obama for President
Post by: laughingwillow on November 02, 2008, 02:05:53 PM
Btw Stoney...

I'd like to see a link to the "facts" you report above about Obama taking large amounts of money from corporate interests. Where are you getting your info? Please show me.

lw
Title: Re: New York Times Endorses Barack Obama for President
Post by: Glandmaster on November 03, 2008, 07:02:19 PM
oops Bushpig - the election is today sometime - you let slip on the 'do you guys realise how irrational you have all been these past few months?' thing too early :mrgreen:
Title: Re: New York Times Endorses Barack Obama for President
Post by: laughingwillow on November 03, 2008, 07:27:31 PM
Are you talking about "we the american people" being irrational in general or "we the people at spr" in specific?  :cool3

lw
Title: Re: New York Times Endorses Barack Obama for President
Post by: Syd on November 04, 2008, 06:32:28 AM
Elephants are the only animals that can't jump... but I digress. Back to politics...
Title: Re: New York Times Endorses Barack Obama for President
Post by: cenacle on November 04, 2008, 09:49:23 PM
ELECTION NIGHT

G  :D BAMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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