We really should start a church or temple and declare our rights to use botanical-entheogens in the pursuit of spirituality.
We should have a simple set of beliefs and a list of supported entheogens.
We should accept all races, sexes and people of all types, as long as they are over 17.
Start organized religion and make plants sacred.
Beliefs-
A return to communal, logical and more economical systems of society.
The use of botanicals as a means of spirtuaility, enjoyment, enlightenment and happiness.
Equailty among sexes, classes and races.
Peace among all of humanity.
Eviromental resortation and preservation.
Research into botanicals medicines, shamanism and philosophy.
Meditate
Fast
Take entheogens
List of Supported Botanicals-
Lophophora williamsii ~ "Peyote"
Banisteriopsis caapi + Psychotria species + Diplopterys ~ "Ayahuasca" or "Yage"
Trichocereus species ~ "San Pedro"
Psilocybe Mushrooms ~ "'Shrooms"
Supported Spiritual Texts-
Tao Te' ching
Declaration of Religious Belief-
This document is intended as a formal Declaration of my Religious and/or Spiritual Beliefs. I, the undersigned, do hearby declare that traditional entheogenic botanicals are an essential and inseparable part of my religious/spiritual practice.
Due to ecological and social factors adversely affecting sacred botanicals in their native habitats, I also acknowledge that cultivation of such is a bonafide religious/spiritual practice and responsibility.
I do therefore declare that my consumption and cultivation of holy sacramental botanicals including but not limited to Lophophora ~ "Peyote", Caapi + Psychotria ~ "Ayahuasca", Trichocereus ~ "San Pedro" to be a strictly religious/spiritual practice afforded First Amendment protection under the Constitution of the United States of America and should be the right of each and every human being upon this Earth.
http://www.peyoteway.org/declaration_of ... Belief.htm (http://www.peyoteway.org/declaration_of_religious%20Belief.htm)
(TO BE EDITED!)
I found this place (spf) while researching Lw many years back. Matter of fact, peyote way came first for me.
Many similar groups have been formed throughout the ages. Many exist today. Most could give a rats ass about man's entheogenic laws.
Put the Spirit first and the rest will take care of itself, imo.
lw
ps: Don't forget to put a big hunk of black tourmaline in your pocket to help stay grounded while reaching toward heaven. - the book of laughingwillow -
btw2: Power plants are tools, imo. They have the ability to act as "measuring sticks" of personal growth for an individual as well as to awaken parts of the brain that we seldom use related to collective consciousness, imo.
Universal love and forgiveness are at heart of spiritual concepts I hold dear.
Most any organized human pursuit tends to leave a bad taste in my mouth. Organize in the Spirit and you just might cook up something special. - the book of laughingwillow -
lw
Quote- Religion is the worst thing to ever happen to spirituality.
Why people have to define, confine and otherwise force the concept of belief is beyond me.
Its so we can protect ourselves from crazy drug laws, duh!
All you have to believe to join the church is the following-
1) Killing people is wrong.
2) Men and Women and all people of Earth are equal.
3) We should take better care of the enviroment.
4) Humanity should seek enlightenment through entheogenic botanicals and other means.
Thats IT thats ALL you gotta believe.... other than that you can practice any religion, do/say anything...
Quote-Why institutionalize it and make all the fuss?!
Again, to protect use from organization like the government, if we're all a bunch of psychonauts with no church, temple of simple set of beliefs, theres no way we can claim religous use of these plants. I personally don't like being an outcast in society and if we could some-how make an acceptable place for entheogenic experience to take place, I think that'd be great!
Well when Jonny-Law comes knocking on your door just tell him the Saliva and Lophophora ~ "Peyote" is for the sole purpose of getting high and has no religous/spiritual signifigance what-so-ever, he'll apperciate it.
Don't grow Salvia or Peyote? That's ok... Just wait! They'll make Caapi, Trichocereus ~ "San Pedro" and other botanicals illegal soon! (IF we don't stop this now and go ahead and claim these botanicals to be holy, claiming that they "get us really high and make us feel goooood" isn't going to stop them from being made illegal.)
What do you think about the http://www.peyoteway.org (http://www.peyoteway.org) church?
For those who don't think we need any change- Well enjoy your alcohol and tobacco, but I'd love to be able to take a stroll in the evening when the sun is going down and smoke a joint... and not worry about somebody smelling it and calling the cops...
I'm sure they'd arrest me, but it'd get thrown out in court.
Y'all really have read up on any of the cases, have you?
http://www.peyoteway.org/Utah%20Peyote%20Case.htm (http://www.peyoteway.org/Utah%20Peyote%20Case.htm)
http://www.peyoteway.org/Andrew%20Weil%20Testimony.htm (http://www.peyoteway.org/Andrew%20Weil%20Testimony.htm)
http://www.peyoteway.org/The%20religiou ... med....htm (http://www.peyoteway.org/The%20religious%20use%20of%20peyote%20has%20never%20harmed....htm)
http://www.peyoteway.org/Peyote%20Statutes.htm (http://www.peyoteway.org/Peyote%20Statutes.htm)
http://www.peyoteway.org/Boyll%20decision.htm (http://www.peyoteway.org/Boyll%20decision.htm)
Theres plenty more... just do some searching.
The "Peyote Way Church" has operated, had "Spirt-Walks" and used "Peyote" since 1978 without any trouble.
Point is... if your caught for having an illegal entheogenic plants... the ONLY way your gonna get out of it is if you claim religous or spiritual use.
Quote- Some dumbass cop isn't going to care if your in a church, he's going to arrest you!
I would encourage members of my church to peacefully allow the police officer (fucking goddamn pigs!) to arrest them.
I believe it would be thrown out in court... if you looked at the cases, you might know why I think this.
People have been arrested for Peyote, but it was thrown out in court.
Hell... Mr."Flaming Eagle" Mooney was arrested and his Peyote stolen by the state, the case was thrown out in court and now he's demanding his Peyote back!!!
And as a side note... I've got nothing agaist Jesus Christ, in fact, I believe very deeply in his teachings, though I really dislike organized Christianity.
Quote- Better than any "religion" is the careful and secluded meeting of like-minded individuals who fraternize responsibly around a favorite entheogen. This will never be prevented by law enforcement, although there is risk, depending on where you live. Nothing's better than a group of friends exploring the physical and spiritual dimensions of entheogens. Eh, come to think of it, isn't that what we do here, in virtual reality?
My advice - if you like structure, start a private club, rather than a religion; and keep it to yourselves.
Thats basically exactly what I'm talking about. I'd like to see people just sign up for this church online (I haven't got anything running yet, its just an idea) and proclaim that they belief a couple of simple things, non-violence, equailty, awareness of the Earth/enviroment and the spiritual use of entheogenic botancials.
We could even hold services and conferences in different cities around the world, we're out there, lots and lots and lots of us... and we need to be known! People need to know we're not criminals, we love our family, we care for our friends and the planet on which we live, and we ingest plants as a means of religion.
I really hope most people here imbrace the use of entheogens as a spiritual path, who use recreational psychoactives with the upmost care, respect and mindfulness of addictive potential. I truely hope most people here are not just about partying, shooting smack or eating pills. I personally only advocate the use of traditional botanical entheogens, and plant psychoactives, and believe that as a group this is the only sensible avenue to advocate for legalization. I do not believe that heroin, cocaine, meth and such should be legal in anyway shape or form, nor do I believe we should advocate the use of MDMA or other synthetic substances, there is no chance for legalization of these types of synthetic compounds, unless it by specialist prescription.
So basically....
Botanicals in their living and dried forms should always be legal.
Snythetics should remain illegal.
And... we should proclaim that entheogenic religion is a perfectly legitimate belief, and should be respected by society and the government that we have the right to (not run down the street tripping but) quietly practice our religion, openly grow our botanicals on our personal property, ingest entheogens in our private services and in private homes or on private land and freely talk about our spirituality without free that we will be raided, fined or jailed.
~ Teotzlcoatl ~
Quote from: "Teotzlcoatl"I really hope most people here imbrace the use of entheogens as a spiritual path, who use recreational psychoactives with the upmost care, respect and mindfulness of addictive potential. I truely hope most people here are not just about partying, shooting smack or eating pills.
What consenting adults do in the privacy of their own homes is none of my bidness, imo.
Quote from: "Teotzlcoatl"Quote- I personally only advocate the use of traditional botanical entheogens, and plant psychoactives, and believe that as a group this is the only sensible avenue to advocate for legalization. I do not believe that heroin, cocaine, meth and such should be legal in anyway shape or form, nor do I believe we should advocate the use of MDMA or other synthetic substances, there is no chance for legalization of these types of synthetic compounds, unless it by specialist prescription.
So basically....
Botanicals in their living and dried forms should always be legal.
Snythetics should remain illegal.
Are you starting a religion or a gubmit?
Quote from: "Teotzlcoatl"And... we should proclaim that entheogenic religion is a perfectly legitimate belief, and should be respected by society and the government that we have the right to (not run down the street tripping but) quietly practice our religion, openly grow our botanicals on our personal property, ingest entheogens in our private services and in private homes or on private land and freely talk about our spirituality without free that we will be raided, fined or jailed.
Sounds like a plan.....
Now all you need is a sack-o entheogens, a group of like-minded individuals, a bunch of publicity and a lawyer to defend you in court when your case comes up. With a lot of luck, you'll get a legal exemption from entheogenic religious persecution. With a little luck, you won't do too much jail time. With a little less luck, you'll get a prosecutor and judge that are both firm in the belief that the masses will not have access to those drugs that make a person crazy. At least not on their watch. And then with a little luck an appeal will make its way higher up the court chain and maybe you won't even be in jail as this happens.
Or you can forego the publicity part and live your spiritual life as you see fit, always understanding that we live in a social jungle where you can fall prey to the legal system at any point in time.
Go on and fight the good fight. We'll be right here behind you all the way.
le laughingwillow
I'd rather have a battalion of Germans in front of me than a battalion of French behind me. - General G.S. Patton -
I suppose I'm doing both?
I certainly want absoutly NO publicity!
Basically heres all I'm saying...
People need to proclaim that entheogenic spirituality is a perfectly legitimate belief system, and that it's our rights as humans to practice entheogenic religions.
QuoteI'd rather have a battalion of Germans in front of me than a battalion of French behind me. - General G.S. Patton -
:lol:
Yes, yes, by all means proclaim away.
But do you plan on practicing your spirituality in the mean time?
Those who take on the task of legalizations of this type usually do it from a point of post-bust or they get real clean before climbing the nearest rooftop and proclaiming their human right to pursue an entheogenically based spirituality system. But if you try and have it both ways, you will might well become a test case in court.
Just ask Carl Olsen....
lw
QuoteBut do you plan on practicing your spirituality in the mean time?
Of course.
I wish only to proclaim it on a simple peice of paper... no on any damn rooftops...
Then IF I'm caught... perhaps I'll go down that road.
Who's Carl?
And you are going to feel better about the legality of your religion by writing something on a sheet of paper?
Btw, where are you going to recruit your church members? On a public internet forum?
lw
Hmm recruit is a horrible word...
They may JOIN anywhere they like....
Declaration of Religious Belief (Feel free to print this out, sign it, and put it away in a safe place)
This document is intended as a formal Declaration of my Religious and/or Spiritual Beliefs.
I, the undersigned, do hearby declare that traditional entheogenic botanicals are an essential and inseparable part of my religious/spiritual practice.
Due to ecological and social factors adversely affecting sacred botanicals in their native habitats, I also acknowledge that cultivation of such is a bonafide religious/spiritual practice and responsibility.
I do therefore declare that my consumption and cultivation of holy sacramental botanicals including but not limited to Lophophora ~ "Peyote", Caapi + Psychotria ~ "Ayahuasca", Trichocereus ~ "San Pedro" to be a strictly religious/spiritual practice afforded First Amendment protection under the Constitution of the United States of America and should be the right of each and every human being upon this Earth.
Print Name X __________________________
Date X __________________________
Signature X __________________________
Maybe you should go door to door.
Hey Teo, you are preaching to the choir here.
"I really hope most people here imbrace the use of entheogens as a spiritual path, who use recreational psychoactives with the upmost care, respect and mindfulness of addictive potential. I truely hope most people here are not just about partying, shooting smack or eating pills."
And that was kind of condecending. Like my friend Kenbone says "Ya gots to know who you're partying with" Dude this is not psychedelic kindergarten. Know this: anywhere you go in the psychedelic world many of us have been. You cover lots of ground in 40 years of tripping.
Bro you seem to have a good heart, and your enthusiasm is obvious. But don't cast your pearls before swine(pig pun intended) and don't preach to the choir...........
Amen, jrl.
I've only been on the entheogenic path for 28 years, you old fuck.
Btw, we've been to the entheogenic temple and back, brawh.
lw
"Btw, we've been to the entheogenic temple and back, brawh."
Indeed.
Arlighty then.
Bruddah jrl was kind enough to gift me a T lumberjack seven years ago or so.
Can't count the number of cactus seed I've sprouted since then. (I'll post pics of our mango canyon one day, teo-bro.)
teo: You ever research the huichol Indians of Mexico? Peyote plays a big part in their sspiritual/social/medical way of life. Anyway, they make a pilgrimage every year that I'm guessing would be right up your alley, if'n you were of mind for such an adventure on the wild side. (Just use McGoogle)
lw
7 years?!? We been knowing each other that long?? Tempus fugit!!!!
Howdy to all fellow choir participants. :) .. I gotta tell 'ya; this is a subject that comes up from time to time, and invariably the same words are uttered... I certainly have my fantasies as well as a deep seated anti-guvmit hankering to 'crow it from the rooftop' as mentioned.. Yeah, the possible legal reprecussions would likely be as bro Willow opines... Us that have walked this path prolly know from many experiences that the 'entheo-church' participants are an eclectic and mutifacted jewel of creation... Sometimes the service is peaceful, sometimes ecstatic... Sounds somehow trite to distill the essence of the thing, but maybe as one walks the path, the learning process does become self evident, does show one where to proceed and how to adjust to the prevailing winds.... Guess it has to do with a certain 'balance'....
Come one come all!
Help save the Lophophora "Peyote" and Astrophytum!!! (//http://www.cactusconservation.org/CCI/Contributions.html)
Join Peyote Way!!! (//http://www.peyoteway.org)
Become a member at Erowid! (//http://www.erowid.org/donations/membership.php)
Become a Yoist! (//http://www.yoism.org/?q=node/37)
Quote from: "Teotzlcoatl"Don't grow Salvia or Peyote? That's ok... Just wait! They'll make Caapi, Trichocereus ~ "San Pedro" and other botanicals illegal soon!
~ Teotzlcoatl ~
San Pedro is sold world wide and would never be made illegal.
I really do not know where you get your information from, but much of it is false and misleading.
Thrichocereus cacti are used primarily for grafting, You can graft any cactus that will not grow outside of its normal habitat to the san pedro.
Caapii is legal but the chemical compounds in the vine are illegal, although harmaline extracts are sold over the internet.
Please stop posting this kind of misleading information.
You also really read to read Weston LaBarre's, "The Peyote Cult,"
And he and Richard Evans Schultes ate peyote at a Native American Church Ceremony in the early 1930s. A lesson for your history of peyote, Dr. LaBarre only ate peyote twice in his life and his book is the bible of the NAC.
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and his masterpiece, "The Ghost Dance: The Origins of Religion."
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A few more peyote books in my collection, autographed to me by the authors, except the Mescal and Mechanisms of Hallucinations bu Heinrich Kluver.
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Also read Aldous Huxley's "Brave New World."
if you do not then not many people are going to take anything you say seriously, Especially your attempt to promote the Peyote Church Way of Life.
Here are some of LaBarre's literature which I think you need to read if you are to continue any serious comments about peyote,
QuoteLa Barre, Weston. 1938a. The Peyote Cult. Yale Pub Anthrop vol 19.
------. 1939. Note on Richard Schultes and the appeal of peyote. American Anthropologist vol. 41:340-343.
------. 1970. Ghost Dance: the Origins of Religion. Doubleday. Garden City.
------. 1972. Hallucinogens and the shamanic origins of religion. In: Furst, Peter T. (Ed.) Flesh of the Gods:261-294. Praeger Publishers.
A study proposing the psychological and cultural matrix of shamanic innovation which presents evidence of the major role hallucinogens played in shamanic ecstasy.
------. 1975. Anthropological perspectives on hallucination and hallucinogens. In: Siegel, Ronald K. and Louis Jolyon West (Eds.). Hallucinations: Behavior, Experience and Theory:9-52. John Wiley & Sons. New York.
This article discusses various states of hallucinosis which occur from the ingestion of old world and new world entheogenic plants. Their various use and shamanic origins are also described.
------. 1979a. Psychedelics galore. Duke University Letters no. 4. Duke University, Durham, North Carolina. 2pp. December 13.
A brief list of numerous entheogenic plants is presented.
------. 1979b. Shamanic origins of religion and medicine. Journal of Psychedelic Drugs vol. 11(2):7-11. January-June.
------. 1981. (Bk. Rev.). Journal of Psychedelic Drugs vol. 13(1):105. January-March.
A Review of R. E. Schultes and Albert Hofmann's "Plants of the Gods."
------. 1988. (Bk. Rev.). Journal of Ethnobiology vol. 8(2):221-222.
A Review of R. Gordon Wasson's "Persephone's Quest: Entheogens and the Origins of Religion."
------. 1990. My friend Gordon. In: Thomas J. Riedlinger (ed.) The Sacred Mushroom Seeker: Essays for R. Gordon Wasson:147-150. Dioscorides Press. Portland, Oregon. Ethnomycological Studies No. 11.
La Barre reminisces over his memories of R. Gordon Wasson.
boomer2
QuoteCaapii is legal but the chemical compounds in the vine are illegal, although harmaline extracts are sold over the internet.
Harmine & Harmaline aren't scheduled in the US that I am aware of...
now, Canada is another story. :roll:
Wow that's shitty, Caapi isn't illegal tho is it?
Join Peyote way, go on a peyote eating spirit-walk
//http://www.peyoteway.org/faq.htm
teo: Do you recommend their spirit walk?
How was yours?
I thought you were against the consumption of this most sacred plant.
lw
Where the hell did you get the idea I was agaist eating Peyote?
I never said that...
I haven't gone on a Spirit-walk yet.
Have you experienced an Indian sweat lodge under poles and blankets with hot coals on an all night vigil.
Read Schultes and Hofmann's Tracks of the little deer in Plants of the Gods.
You really need to read some literature with real facts and not baseless internet confusion,
Do not be a poppin-jay
boomer2
Ya sure.
quote teo from another thread...........
Quote from: "Teotzlcoatl"Did you miss when I said "I've never taken Peyote"? I've never taken it because I respect it. Obvisouly I'm not using this to trip Peyote... if I was, wouldn't I be eating it?
It sounds to me like you are talking out of both sides of your mouth on this one, bro.
You have not taken peyote because you respect it. And you would rather have peyote in your garden than in your stomach, right?
But you plan on taking a spirit walk by ingesting peyote as part of your new found religion that we should all join, so we can all take spirit walks by ingesting this sacred and increasingly rare plant.
Btw, I'm guessing your new pal red dragon's respectful tune will change a bit after he gets a little better grip on your trip. In a post above, you thank him for setting you straight in a friendly manner, but then you come back and start trying to get community members to join your church again without really knowing what its all about yourself. Oh, I forgot, you have visited their website..... :cool2
lw
Ok my point is...
I didn't join the church so I could run out and eat a bunch of Peyote, I will eat Peyote SOME DAY... but it's not the reason why I joined the church.
Understand? Kinda?
Sorry if I'm confusing!
I don't know what you said about Redragaon, but he seems like a really nice dude to me!
Give reddragon time to get to know you a bit, teo.
I'm guessing more than one spr member was nicer to you when you first came around than they are now. :geek:
Imo, you are either a slow learner or you just enjoy getting under peoples skin.
lw
Well thats a really nice thing to say...
Geeze.
Well thats a really nice thing to say...
Geeze.
Let redragon speak for himself.
This isn't about nice. Its about surviving the reality we currently face, imo. :cool3
lw
I like being nice to people... You should try it!
Happiness! Sunshine! Butterflys!
Yaaaaa L.W. your my new best friend!
:)
Teo, you are bringing down the signal to noise ratio that we value so much around here. You seem like those guys you see at shows that stand up in front and wave their arms to hijack the attention given to the bands.
Dude, we have tried, but it is kinda hard to take you seriously. Think before you type, be the best Teo that you are and you will have a place in the tribe.
Thanks for that advice and respectful post JRL, I'll do my best.
Thank you for taking it in the spirit it was intended
No prob'
I respond well to post such as yours.
LOL
And try to read some of the articles or literature I posted for you to read in several of yor threads here.
I mean you profess this interest into these sacred plants but for some reason you respond with , "yeah, Sure."
P posted good information for you to learn about the plants you sayu you love, but have not heard a response back that you learned anything I posted for you.
Playing mind games and professing to imply that you know what you are talking about when you haven't learned anything turns people off to listening to what you have to say.
You claimed to have Indian blood in your veins and spirit and professed an interest in joining the Native American Church which is really the primary church of the peyote cult and then you go get an instant diploma through the mail.
Fraud in regards to sacred plants is not the beginning of an honest symbiotic relationship between you and the sacred plants you say you have an interest in being part of. If you cannot listen to what all of use keep sharing with you to improve your relationship with all of us so that members here will listen to what you have to say, and then not listen gets you nowhere.
You seem to be stuck and set in your ways and have basically been showing an unwillingness to take any of our advi9ce to you seriously.
By the way,
I grew this peyote in Hawaii for 8 years. I shared showing it to over a couple of hundred students and teachers at the University of Hawaii when I worked there.
It was in its original flower pot, and there were more than in this image.
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One day I came home form a lecture and the flower pot was gone. Someone stole it. So I never have Peyote in my home again.
My attitude is that if someone steals it from me then I would rather not have it in my home.
I do not like thieves.
boomer2
Thank you for that most respectful post Boomer.
I'm sorry for giving you shit, your a VERY smart man!
after reading maaany of your posts, i can't help but thinking you have some sort of agenda around here.. are you cia or something?
I'm not an active member, but i love to read this forum, it's full of great data and diferent insights. I grow peyote, but it's legal for me to do it in my country. Pot is illegal, cocaine is illegal (yet noone messes with the sacred leaf), lsd is ilegal, but not sacred cacti, for example... What i want to ask you, really, is why are you so interested in having people join a peyote church?
i mean... i have never used peyote, nor do i plan to, and i won't start to do it just because you insist on that i join a church and taste it's bitterness
i have no reads on the subject either, but what i would advise anyone, a part from studying what their gettin into, is to go to mexico if you want to take peyote, to bolivia, peru, ecuador, or whereever san pedro grows, and learn of it's powers in it's very land, by the hands and words of the people brought up under those teachings, to see one of the sides it has to offer.. the one i like best. It's cool if you want to take a plant just for a trip, many have, and had great times doing so... but talking so much about the holiness and... i don't know, i'm no wise man, nor am i a chaman, but try not to upset the spirits, it never worked well for me
salud
I want people to join the church because we need to make it know that we're out there, theres alot of us and we believe it's our right to practice our entheogenic religion.
And it is, for sure, your right to do whatever you want with your mind, knowing that if you go crazy and dangerous, they can still lock you up. What i personally don't understand is why you need to frame your rites and belifes in a form so unlucky as a religion. And i respect that you organize your thoughts however you feel fit, but don't try to get people to join a church, which could easily just be a cult. In some places of south america, chaman's philosophy has been altered after the times of the colony, and the original practices mixed with the catholic ones, imposed over fire and blood. Now, some chaman give San Pedro and then guide you to the gates of heaven through the words of the apostols... doing slightly more brainwashing than they do spiritual guidance and natural conection. This only happens in counted cases, but someone who offers you a whole religion and a trip out of anything familiar for $50, makes me wonder...
Quote from: "adidas"Now, some chaman give San Pedro and then guide you to the gates of heaven through the words of the apostols...
People navigate the entheogenic, imaginal realms in many ways (perhaps as many ways as there are people). Is this any stranger, or "less real" than self-transforming elf-machines?
just the opposite, it's much more common. Self-transforming elf-machines (?) are a lot stranger than cristianity. Stranger is not in the same realm as "less real", each as real in each case. I personally don't agree with brainwashing, i'd rather believe in intermitent beams of energy joining every cell in each plant with the sky above, the unicity, the all-relate, than believe what someone whoever was taught in church and then pumped me full of entheogens and taught me.
Each walks his road his own way, being induced to believing something, is also a way. I just don't support it, nor do i support anyone who tries to make people join a church, evangelics or peyotists. I was simply wondering what part of his entheogenic journey (aka life, experience, culture, mind state) brought him to insist on people joining a church, what part does he think is so cool about it. All i want is to understand, so i can perhaps change my opinions.
QuoteEach walks his road his own way, being induced to believing something, is also a way. I just don't support it, nor do i support anyone who tries to make people join a church, evangelics or peyotists.
We do not sputter dogmatic bullshit! We are servants of the plants! We do as they say! We allow them to teach! We do not interfere with the message the plant has given! We are simply a guide! The plant is the teahcer!!!
Quotebrought him to insist on people joining a church, what part does he think is so cool about it. All i want is to understand, so i can perhaps change my opinions.
A number of reason...
First off it's illegal and a church may is more likely to gain entheogenic human rights.
and...
Community, I like people who take entheogens for the most part, I like interacting with other human beings and not being alone in my entheogenic spirituality. I want to have entheogenic festivals! Entheogenic study! Entheogenic church!
Sorry, I am not a servant. At least i try not to be, as much as i'm allowed.
I think i understand your reasons, canonize this culture of light so you're no longer marginalized? It's really respectable, being able to form a comunity without being persecuted. Maybe with organization and movilization, you could accomplish some of that. How did peyote way and the native american church get their "permit" to use these sacraments? Maybe you should start from there to find exactly what you're looking for, it sounds more like a community than a church of god. Do you seek freedom?
Concioussness is above all things, if you wish to call her god or however, fine by me, but don't buy mailboxes: if it wasn't for you (us) those plants wouldn't have any effect, nor would they be sacred, you make them that way. I learnt that while talking to a plant and every insect always sang to corroborate.
No, I'm the servant of the plants, you just need to listen to what the plants have to say! And listen to whats within yourself!
Quoteit sounds more like a community than a church of god.
It is more of a community than a church, but it's both, I suppose.
QuoteConcioussness is above all things, if you wish to call her god or however, fine by me
God, Tao, the Great Spirit, Shiva, concioussness, life-force, whatever you wish to call it...