> This is the list of books Palin tried to have banned. As> many of you will notice it is a hit parade for book burners.> > A Clockwork Orange by Anthony Burgess> A Wrinkle in Time by Madeleine L'Engle> Annie on My Mind by Nancy Garden> As I Lay Dying by William Faulkner> Blubber by Judy Blume> Brave New World by Aldous Huxley> Bridge to Terabithia by Katherine Paterson> Canterbury Tales by Chaucer> Carrie by Stephen King> Catch-22 by Joseph Heller> Christine by Stephen King> Confessions by Jean-Jacques Rousseau> Cujo by Stephen King> Curses, Hexes, and Spells by Daniel Cohen> Daddy's Roommate by Michael Willhoite> Day No Pigs Would Die by Robert Peck> Death of a Salesman by Arthur Miller> Decameron by Boccaccio> East of Eden by John Steinbeck>
Fallen Angels by Walter Myers> Fanny Hill (Memoirs of a Woman of Pleasure) by John Cleland> Flowers For Algernon by Daniel Keyes> Forever by Judy Blume> Grendel by John Champlin Gardner> Halloween ABC by Eve Merriam> Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone by J.K. Rowling> Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets by J.K. Rowling> Harry Potter and the Prizoner of Azkaban by J.K. Rowling> Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire by J.K. Rowling> Have to Go by Robert Munsch> Heather Has Two Mommies by Leslea Newman> How to Eat Fried Worms by Thomas Rockwell> Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain> I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings by Maya Angelou> Impressions edited by Jack Booth> In the Night Kitchen by Maurice Sendak> It's Okay if You Don't Love Me by Norma Klein> James and the Giant Peach by Roald Dahl> Lady Chatterley's Lover by D.H.
Lawrence> Leaves of Grass by Walt Whitman> Little Red Riding Hood by Jacob and Wilhelm Grimm> Lord of the Flies by William Golding> Love is One of the Choices by Norma Klein> Lysistrata by Aristophanes> More Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz> My Brother Sam Is Dead by James Lincoln Collier and> Christopher Collier> My House by Nikki Giovanni> My Friend Flicka by Mary O'Hara> Night Chills by Dean Koontz> Of Mice and Men by John Steinbeck> On My Honor by Marion Dane Bauer> One Day in The Life of Ivan Denisovich by Alexander> Solzhenitsyn> One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest by Ken Kesey> One Hundred Years of Solitude by Gabriel Garcia Marquez> Ordinary People by Judith Guest> Our Bodies, Ourselves by Boston Women's Health> Collective> Prince of Tides by Pat Conroy> Revolting Rhymes by Roald
Dahl> Scary Stories 3: More Tales to Chill Your Bones by Alvin> Schwartz> Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz> Separate Peace by John Knowles> Silas Marner by George Eliot> Slaughterhouse-Five by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.> Tarzan of the Apes by Edgar Rice Burroughs> The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain> The Adventures of Tom Sawyer by Mark Twain> The Bastard by John Jakes> The Catcher in the Rye by J.D. Salinger> The Chocolate War by Robert Cormier> The Color Purple by Alice Walker> The Devil's Alternative by Frederick Forsyth> The Figure in the Shadows by John Bellairs> The Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck> The Great Gilly Hopkins by Katherine Paterson> The Handmaid's Tale by Margaret Atwood> The Headless Cupid by Zilpha Snyder> The Learning Tree by Gordon Parks> The Living Bible by William C.
Bower> The Merchant of Venice by William Shakespeare> The New Teenage Body Book by Kathy McCoy and Charles> Wibbelsman> The Pigman by Paul Zindel> The Seduction of Peter S. by Lawrence Sanders> The Shining by Stephen King> The Witches by Roald Dahl> The Witches of Worm by Zilpha Snyder> Then Again, Maybe I Won't by Judy Blume> To Kill A Mockingbird by Harper Lee> Twelfth Night by William Shakespeare> Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary by the> Merriam-Webster Editorial Staff> Witches, Pumpkins, and Grinning Ghosts: The Story of the> Halloween Symbols by Edna Barth
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I've edited this for my good friend JRL.
A Clockwork Orange by Anthony Burgess
A Wrinkle in Time by Madeleine L’Engle
Annie on My Mind by Nancy Garden
As I Lay Dying by William Faulkner
Blubber by Judy Blume
Brave New World by Aldous Huxley
Bridge to Terabithia by Katherine Paterson
Canterbury Tales by Chaucer
Carrie by Stephen King
Catch-22 by Joseph Heller
Christine by Stephen King
Confessions by Jean-Jacques Rousseau
Cujo by Stephen King
Curses, Hexes, and Spells by Daniel Cohen
Daddy’s Roommate by Michael Willhoite
Day No Pigs Would Die by Robert Peck
Death of a Salesman by Arthur Miller
Decameron by Boccaccio
East of Eden by John Steinbeck
Fallen Angels by Walter Myers
Fanny Hill (Memoirs of a Woman of Pleasure) by John Cleland
Flowers For Algernon by Daniel Keyes
Forever by Judy Blume
Grendel by John Champlin Gardner
Halloween ABC by Eve Merriam
Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone by J.K. Rowling
Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets by J.K. Rowling
Harry Potter and the Prizoner of Azkaban by J.K. Rowling
Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire by J.K. Rowling
Have to Go by Robert Munsch
Heather Has Two Mommies by Leslea Newman
How to Eat Fried Worms by Thomas Rockwell
Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings by Maya Angelou
Impressions edited by Jack Booth
In the Night Kitchen by Maurice Sendak
It’s Okay if You Don’t Love Me by Norma Klein
James and the Giant Peach by Roald Dahl
Lady Chatterley’s Lover by D.H. Lawrence
Leaves of Grass by Walt Whitman
Little Red Riding Hood by Jacob and Wilhelm Grimm
Lord of the Flies by William Golding
Love is One of the Choices by Norma Klein
Lysistrata by Aristophanes
More Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
My Brother Sam Is Dead by James Lincoln Collier and Christopher Collier
My House by Nikki Giovanni
My Friend Flicka by Mary O’Hara
Night Chills by Dean Koontz
Of Mice and Men by John Steinbeck
On My Honor by Marion Dane Bauer
One Day in The Life of Ivan Denisovich by Alexander Solzhenitsyn
One Flew Over The Cuckoo’s Nest by Ken Kesey
One Hundred Years of Solitude by Gabriel Garcia Marquez
Ordinary People by Judith Guest
Our Bodies, Ourselves by Boston Women’s Health Collective
Prince of Tides by Pat Conroy
Revolting Rhymes by Roald Dahl
Scary Stories 3: More Tales to Chill Your Bones by Alvin Schwartz
Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
Separate Peace by John Knowles
Silas Marner by George Eliot
Slaughterhouse-Five by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.
Tarzan of the Apes by Edgar Rice Burroughs
The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
The Adventures of Tom Sawyer by Mark Twain
The Bastard by John Jakes
The Catcher in the Rye by J.D. Salinger
The Chocolate War by Robert Cormier
The Color Purple by Alice Walker
The Devil’s Alternative by Frederick Forsyth
The Figure in the Shadows by John Bellairs
The Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck
The Great Gilly Hopkins by Katherine Paterson
The Handmaid’s Tale by Margaret Atwood
The Headless Cupid by Zilpha Snyder
The Learning Tree by Gordon Parks
The Living Bible by William C. Bower
The Merchant of Venice by William Shakespeare
The New Teenage Body Book by Kathy McCoy and Charles Wibbelsman
The Pigman by Paul Zindel
The Seduction of Peter S. by Lawrence Sanders
The Shining by Stephen King
The Witches by Roald Dahl
The Witches of Worm by Zilpha Snyder
Then Again, Maybe I Won’t by Judy Blume
To Kill A Mockingbird by Harper Lee
Twelfth Night by William Shakespeare
Webster’s Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary by the Merriam-Webster Editorial Staff
Witches, Pumpkins, and Grinning Ghosts: The Story of the Halloween Symbols by Edna Barth
However, I must point you to this (//http://michellemalkin.com/2008/09/06/the-bogus-sarah-palin-banned-books-list/). I will post an excerpt for those of you who don't like to click below. Do your own research guys because there are crazies out there trying to get a piece of anyone not wary.
"Take a look at the list below (above) and you’ll find books Gov. Palin supposedly tried to ban…that hadn’t even been published yet. Example: The Harry Potter books, the first of which wasn’t published until 1998."
Sorry. You are so right Syd. But I usually trust stuff my mother sends me.......
Sorry, Syd, but Michelle Malkin is a GOP hit man (woman). She is one of the liars trying to push this Sarah-Palin-as-Hockey-Mom-Kill-Abortion-Clinic-Doctors-Superhero. Malkin is a fucking lunatic.
I did some research too, and found this article at Time/CNN:
http://www.time.com/time/politics/artic ... 18,00.html (http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1837918,00.html)
I'd tend to trust that source way more than Malkin. Good background on this woman too in it.
Just another thought: that someone as obviously nuts as Palin has even READ Shakespeare or Chaucer, much less many others on that list, is laughable. Who has time for books when the End Times are Here, and the Rapture is Coming, and the 144,000 will Soon Ascend into Heaven and the Rest of Us Will Be LEFT BEHIND? (Bet she's read THOSE books)
Well, I gotta say that I grudgingly admit that McCain has pulled out a friggin masterstroke by going for Palin... He's got her youth to tout, her right wing Christian cred, her shown willingness to weasel around in the federal funding trough, yes, her gender... What more could a concerned Repub that is worried about the Obama message of 'new days and change' ask for.????... Here, you have McCain as (1) the old guard Repub (2) the posssibility of difference due to his 'maverick' cred; and then you have the Republican counterpoint to Obama with Palin tying up the loose ends of the energy crisis(her support of Anwar drilling) ... Jeez, folks. I'm thinking this is gonna put the numbers a whole lot closer than I would have predicted a month or two ago.... Hint to 3rd party afficinados: Maybe you should seriously consider whether you care to make a philosophical stance, or actually use your vote to squash the Repubs......... I'm a watching this'n ever more closely........
I have to agree with you, Sal. Mccain may have snookered Obama on that one. He picks up the die hard Hill votes and looks progressive by picking her. He is the same old warmed up repub crappola but he is talking change. Last I heard, he was ahead in the polls but it's too close to call.
Anyone have a link to where she wanted to ban all those books? I didn't think a gov had the authority to do it. Not that I'd want here for pres. Or any of them for that matter.
Couple things here:
1) the book banning effort link is in my post above
2) no poll shows Palin picking up Clinton supporters--some do show her upping McCain's numbers with white women, but not Clinton supporters--such a jump would make no sense--Palin is an ultra-conservative, anti-choice, end times lunatic--Clinton supports are on the other end of the spectrum--they are both female, but have nothing else in common--
And Sal--don't let the post-convention numbers fool ya, or make you despair--look over at DailyKos.com for a non-bullshit review of where things stand--Obama said all along the race would be a rough one--with him and Biden mentioning even the possibility of pursuing criminal charges against Bush* criminals, you know the Repuke war machine is going to be out in force--they're already trying to fuck up the senatorial election in Mississippi to replace Trent Lott, who retired--
All I can tell you is this: volunteer to get out the vote, and new voters registered. Man phone banks, or go to Obama's website to learn how to phone canvass from your own home. I think you're in Florida, so with its large numbers of retired Jewish people, you have to help get out the word that Palin is a Jews-For-Jesus anti-semitic lunatic. Do what you can, and encourage all those who care about this election to vote. Don't despair, that leads to inaction, to just giving up. This election is worth the efforts of everyone. As Obama said in Denver:
EIGHT YEARS IS ENOUGH!!!
No despair here. Cynicism, jaded conceptualizations, yeah, I'd be guilty of that.... :P ------ Gotta love that line about 'this election is important enough' :) Why, I say 'ole chap, we seem to have a believer in paticipatory democracy amongst us 8) ---- Great to see and hear the energy and idealism!!!!!!!
Cen, I read through that link and all I found was a second hand report that she asked the librarian if certain books could be banned for bad language. I did not see a list let alone that long list. Why is it you will believe anything bad about a repub? If it's true, and she wants to ban books because they go against religious dogma or some other bogus reason, it should be brought out but I see no evidence of that.
The demo yellow dogs and repub thugs will vote for their r or d no matter who is the candidate. It's the independents who will decide things. I think you are wrong to say Mc didn't pick up any Hill voters with his move. I read that his support among white women went up 9% and quite a few of those must have been Hillaryites. I'm not pulling for Mc but I think neither one is an ideal candidate. I'd take R Paul or R Nader any day.
The paragraph I point out to you is the following, with its direct quotation from former Mayor Stein of Wasilla, Alaska, who in this text is citing what he says he directly heard her say:
<<Stein says that as mayor, Palin continued to inject religious beliefs into her policy at times. "She asked the library how she could go about banning books," he says, because some voters thought they had inappropriate language in them. "The librarian was aghast." That woman, Mary Ellen Baker, couldn't be reached for comment, but news reports from the time show that Palin had threatened to fire Baker for not giving "full support" to the mayor. >>
Maybe someone will get a chance to ask her about this. I certainly hope so. I'd like to think the days of book burning are over for the US. I don't discount his statement, however.
But let me put this clearly for you: My focus is on getting Barack Obama elected President, and helping get this country out of the shit-hole it's in. You vote for Nadar, Paul, or Elmer Fudd for all I care; my focus is on the hard work that needs to be done to restore this country to any semblance of respectability.
We're in bad shape, in every way imaginable. Obama is promising no magic solution, but he and Biden are smart enough and care enough to arrive next January in DC and get to work on what needs to be done. It will be slow, and it won't be pretty, but I believe they will be at it every single day. It's not about party politics, it's about people's lives, especially those of the poor, the sick, the elderly, the handicapped. Everyone is needed to lend a hand, and to benefit in the long run.
I'm on board, with my doubts and my cynicisms. And my hopes. There's no choice. We either start turning this situation around or keep going under.
Quote from: "senorsalvia"No despair here. Cynicism, jaded conceptualizations, yeah, I'd be guilty of that.... :P ------ Gotta love that line about 'this election is important enough' :) Why, I say 'ole chap, we seem to have a believer in paticipatory democracy amongst us 8) ---- Great to see and hear the energy and idealism!!!!!!!
I believe we don't have a choice. We are living in a country that is supposed to be a nation of laws, not men, governed by the Constitution, an amazing document that the bastards among us would love to destroy, and are trying to every day. Now, we either stand up for what we have, what is ours, or we let the motherfuckers take it. We bend over, take it dry up the ass, and pay for the chance at another go-round.
I believe that in the world of men and women anything is possible, from the beautiful to the grotesque, and that there are no agreed upon rules for conduct at all places in all times. It's all subject to who's in charge, who has the most gold, the most guns. I don't think humanity has really progressed much in the centuries. Read Plato, read Chaucer, read Dostoevsky. Someone is always trying to help; someone else is trying to steal it all.
Can things get fundamentally better? Maybe, but I don't believe this will happen through politics. Politics is just the process of deciding who gets rich and who gets thrown in jail. Who gets to fuck who. Whether or not a person born a certain gender or skin color or ethnicity is by law "better" than another. It's not going to take us into hyperspace, or bring us happiness.
So don't mistake my enthusiasm for idealism. I don't believe in politics as one might believe in a deity. I see it as necessary because of the lousy way we treat each other. At best, it compels us to not do so badly toward one another. Last 8 years, it's been pushing our worst sides to the fore. I believe we can do better, that Obama will help us point in that direction again. It's hope, but of a specific, and limited kind.
I do not want to jade your hopes but this will not change anything, even if, Kermit the mother fuckin frog gets elected. It is not about about what can be or what will be. It is fucked and no amount of voting will change that. A coup if you will, may, but no form of any present day government will make it better. I agree with you, it will be long and arduous journey. What we need to do is have a national kill a politician day. Not my idea, lets just say a friend of mind mentioned it.
Quote from: "Syd"I do not want to jade your hopes but this will not change anything, even if, Kermit the mother fuckin frog gets elected. It is not about about what can be or what will be. It is fucked and no amount of voting will change that. A coup if you will, may, but no form of any present day government will make it better. I agree with you, it will be long and arduous journey. What we need to do is have a national kill a politician day. Not my idea, lets just say a friend of mind mentioned it.
I dont want to jade your nihilism or despair, or whatever it is you possess, but neither you nor I know what is going to happen next. I am choosing to believe that the way things are is not the way things need to stay. Things change, and we can have an effect, or not. Additionally, aside from being a silly idea, killing any politician is essentially saying the system we are born into, suffer and benefit by, the one we participate in creating, is one that should be destroyed by our own hand. How would a coup by us be better then? The same ones who created the system, and destroyed it, are going to somehow do better?
Your choice is to personally opt out, not vote, like millions of others. And call the system bunk, or lazily call for coups or revolutions or third parties that never quite materialize.
There's no answer that sounds any better to me than you, but I personally believe choosing to vote, especially for a candidate like Barack Obama, is better than doing nothing. For me, it is a positive act of faith in something. As I've said, I share some of the same doubts and despair, but I'm choosing to have hope, to be brave.
Well put Cen!! I am with you one hundred percent. I was accused in the chat room of thiking the Obama was gonna "save us". Well, I see no saviour on the horizon, but I have seen what one man can do to this country in 8 years and anything is better than continuing down this road we been flying down.
And given that I don't see how anyone can say voting isn't important.
"I don't know but I've been told
If the horse don't pull you got to carry the load
don't know whose backs that strong
Maybe find out be for to long
One way or another this darkness got to give"
HUnter Garcia
Another quote from that great song, it goes out to y'all with your big opinions about whats happening here in my formerly great country
Please don't dominate the rap jack, if you got nothing new to say
If you please don't back up the track this trains got to run today
Cen, you are very well spoken but the paragraph you quoted does not support the list of books Sarah supposedly wanted banned. It's second hand, in other words, hearsay and it names no books at all. Plus it only objects to bad language though a reference to religion was alleged. I hear about debates all the time in which parents want books with bad language removed from the children's section. Where did that list of books come from? Is this like the Obama email that says he did all those things without proof? You sneered at that but you believe this one implicitly with no proof at all.
I think Syd is saying the system is broken and does not work in it's present form. I happen to agree with that. They tell us who we have to vote for. If the choice was daffy duck on the r side and elmer fudd on the d side, you'd be voting for elmer. Your faith in the demos is touching but misplaced. They are equally crooked as the repubs but pander to a different base. They have no more desire to clean up the system than shrub does. You are just hoping that if a demo gets in he will toss a few bones in your direction.
I'm still waiting for a credible source to verify that she tried to ban that list of books. If there was anything, it would be front page on the paper each and every day. They would call it "Palin-gate" or some cutesy name like that. Not a peep in the media which tells me there is nothing to the story. Believe what you wish.
I'm working to get Obama elected president, and I'm proud of that fact. What are you doing?
I know what my goal is. What's yours?
I know my beliefs are valid, because they are the result of 40 plus years of good and bad experiences, and thinking about things every day. What are your beliefs?
I don't back down to a little pushing around anymore. I used to. Bullies don't scare me because they are pathetic.
My beliefs and my doubts are my own, nobody else's. I don't call them the truth, just what I am working with at the moment. But they are mine, not picked from the TV or what cliches people sling around and call thinking.
Stoney, you can engage a discussion with me or call me names. Now that choice is yours, but most people reading this thread are going to see which one you make. So why don't you answer my questions above. I have asked them before.
Let me put it short and straight: what do you believe in?
Correction: I've researched this book banning thing extensively. Palin's question to the librarian seems true, check here:
http://www.frontiersman.com/articles/20 ... 155484.txt (http://www.frontiersman.com/articles/2008/09/05/breaking_news/doc48c1c8a60d6d9379155484.txt)
HOWEVER: that list in this thread is false, as far as I can tell. In other words, no list was ever submitted, nor was an book ever banned.
THAT SAID, Palin still had the conversation. Still asked about it. That part of the story is documented, and is enough for me to feel the subject is a valid one to ask her about, if she ever does an actual interview.
Hey, don't get mad, cen. And I didn't call you any names. What do I believe in? I believe in justice for all which includes economic justice. I don't want to be bled so some parasite can live high off the hog. I want everyone to have the right to free speech. I'm not working to get Obama elected even though I think he is the lesser of the evils. I certainly will not work to get Mc-oldfogey elected.
I'm glad to see you admit no books were ever banned and that the list was bogus. You cling to the fact she reportedly asked the librarian a question. I say so what. She was concerned about bad language in books. I don't think books should be banned, no matter the language, but asking questions should always be allowed.
So the story was false. Just as I thought.
The list was bogus but the story has not been disproven. The story clearly shows that her fellow towns people, including the former mayor, say she inquired about book banning. This may not bother you, but it sure as hell bothers me. Book banning in America? Is this the 1950s? How can you say you want everyone to have the right to free speech but are OK with the possibility that Palin is talking about book banning?
I'll say again: I want her to be questioned about it in the course of an interview, to respond to those on the record who have made these claims. Of course unless it was documented on paper or on tape, there's no final proof. But I'd like her to go on the record with her view on this matter. We'll see if this ever happens. I think this is just one more fucked up aspect of the McCain/Palin ticket
What parasites are living high on the hog? Seems like Bush* has spent 8 years giving the rich tax breaks, and tax breaks to companies that are sending US jobs overseas. Are these the parasites you are talking about?
Yes, some of the parasites are rich. Some of them work for government. Some of them are welfare recipients. I do not want my hard earned money taken away by big govt and handed out according to some pin headed social theory. Pay as you go and no free lunch. I do think there should be a safety net but don't let them turn it into a permanent hammock.
It seems that the correct title of this story should have been
"Palin asks librarian a question"
But that wouldn't have been sexy. It wouldn't have gotten the troops fired up so that they would go out and slay the enemy. Instead we got a bogus list of books she supposedly banned or tried to ban. Asking a question is not the same as banning books. Was it books for adults or children? If it was kids books, then I can understand some concern about language or content.
You said:
"How can you say you want everyone to have the right to free speech but are OK with the possibility that Palin is talking about book banning?"
Because if I have free speech and you have free speech, then she has to have free speech too. Even your enemies have to have it or no one has it. If she wants to talk about book banning, that's her right. It seems you want free speech for yourself but not for her. Aren't we talking about book banning in this thread? No topic is forbidden. Talk about it but don't ban any books, not for adult anyway.
She can talk about whatever she wants, but the issue is whether she as an elected official is going to ban books. Banning books means someone decides for someone else what is allowed to be taken out of the public library. When someone "bans" a book, they say that author's right to free speech is limited. Is that the way you understand it too or am I missing something?
This was 1996, she probably hasn't given an interview because she forgot all about it.