salviasupply
The prices seem good. Does anyone have experience with them? I am particularly interested in the dried leaves. Is the quality good?
No personal experience, so buyer beware I guess. That said; I have noticed that on several boards, people that are what one would consider 'in the know', have spoken quite highly of them.... Have you looked into the Salvia Buyers Club...??? It is run by Slava, a solid member of the old SPF board... Great prices, and quality from all I have heard.... Keep us informed regarding whoever you purchase from... (inquiring minds wanna know)-----------senorsal
Today I bought 1 gram 21x Salvia Extract from a local store. It was $30USD. I know it is strong. My question on this is... what is the difference between smoking regular leaf and smoking extract?
Another place I have found online is salviaspace.com. If anyone has any experience with this store please let me know.
Quote from: "Hyper_Eye"what is the difference between smoking regular leaf and smoking extract?
well, with 21x extract, you'd need to smoke 21x less extract than leaf... theoretically... of course, if you're smoking leaf there's also the salvinorin that is metabolized between draws, so really, less than 21x less...
this means it's easier to achieve the effects and also is healthier for you since you are inhaling much less smoke...
on a side note, are you experienced with salvia? 21x extract is very strong... actually one of the strongest concentrations I've seen (25xand 30x being the only stronger ones, and those aren't really too common)
now, I'm no salvia expert by any means, but I don't think I'm wrong in suggesting going easy with a 21x extract to start if you're not very acquainted with the green goddess
Oh, No....Not another one about to try 20X Salvia on the first try!
Many people who try 10x extracts and some with even 5x find their first experience so terrifying they never ever get the nerve up to try Salvia again.
Some sky diving types may enjoy it but generally you do not want to blow your first dance with Sally by using 20x extracts.
Salvia can be very unforgiving to those that thump on her door with 20x & 10x extracts or even 5x.
Work with plain leaf, play in the garden a while, let Sally get a look at you now and again before knocking on her door. Or, you may well not like or be terrified by what is behind that door you are thumping on with 21x.
Do yourself a favor and try quality plain leaf first.
Maybe you can take the 21x back and get them to exchange it for plain leaf?
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QuoteToday I bought 1 gram 21x Salvia Extract from a local store. It was $30USD. I know it is strong. My question on this is... what is the difference between smoking regular leaf and smoking extract?
Extract is much, much stronger than plain dried leaf. the "21X" indicates that 1 gram of of extract is equivalent in strength to 21 grams of dried leaf. It is created by extracting the salvinorin from
20 grams of dried Salvia divinorum leaf and depositing it on
1 gram of dried leaf (20+1=21X).
If this is your first time with salvia, I very strongly suggest that you set the 21X extract aside and procure some leaf instead. It is much more forgiving, and it is easier (and safer, I think) to work your way up to amounts that produce an effect. If you have your heart set on trying the 21X make sure you start with a tiny, tiny pinch.
If the pinch looks like just a speck in your pipe, it's probably more than enough.Make sure you have a friend to sit for you while you try it out. There's no telling what you might do--- most people just sit/lie there, but some people sometimes get up and do bizarre things (myself included). One person I know smoked 10X her first time, got up, ran out of the house, got in her car and tried to drive away (no joke). Fortunately, a couple friends and I were able to shut off the engine and gently extract her from her car. Once she "returned", she had no memory of her actions, and accused her sitters of lying to her. She was quite shaken when she realized we were telling the truth. If sober people hadn't been around to stop her, I shudder to think what might've happened.
My first time with salvia was smoking 10X (half the strength of yours!) and it absolutely blew me away, not in a good way, really. So best to get some plain old dried leaf first, and put the 21X aside for future experimentation. It sounds trite and condescending (and I don't mean it to be that way), but you should learn to crawl before you try to walk.
Good luck, and welcome to SPF!
Phew....Thanks for the support in trying to convince this person to leave that 21x alone for now, X-man.
I was a little worried after just finding this post.
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Actually I still am as it is 4 hours since that post was made.
This would never have been allowed to slide for so long before anyone tried to advise the person on the old SPF site.
I guess, we are all spending too much time at other places.
Jeez, 21X !! Forgive me if I and others have your postings taken wrongly, but it seems that we are assuming you are a newbie to Salvia.. That is why everyone here is suggesting the 'go slow/start low' approach... If you are new to Sally, I would join the others in suggesting moderation as you begin learning the ways of the Green Goddess... As has already been stated, Salvia can be intense and bizarre, somewhat off putting to a newbie.... Note also, that many who start with plain leaf will complain that they never 'get off', or only experience very mild, ho-hum effects... While this is true for many; it is also quite common for new tokers to undergo what is called "reverse tolerances effect" By that, I mean that oftentimes, when a person begins using Salvia, they are likely to find that as they become more and more comfortable and aware of the unique Sally Space, they find that indeed, they need less and less Salvia to get ever higher!! Seems perplexing, I know, but none the less, this has been confimed by countless users...... Do keep us posted on your journey............ senorsal
I think this site needs a thread for people who are new to SD that is required reading as is on the other site most of us post on. Maybe it could be sent automatically with registration details. It should perhaps suggest to those new to SD that plain leaf or even quiding is the best manner to start out and point out the dangers involved with extracts and the necessity and role of a sitter etc.
Quote from: "Bongo"I think this site needs a thread for people who are new to SD that is required reading as is on the other site most of us post on. Maybe it could be sent automatically with registration details. It should perhaps suggest to those new to SD that plain leaf or even quiding is the best manner to start out and point out the dangers involved with extracts and the necessity and role of a sitter etc.
Yes I agree completely Bongo.
Salvia in particular, because its still legal, and so easy to purchase everywhere, and because the strength and onset of effects are so beyond what you might expect, even when you have done your homework.
These are the kinds of situations that "the authorities" sieze upon. Young folk being launched into...??????
Hyper-eye, please check in and let us know whats up....thanx and welcome
Yeah Jupe..It wasn't a problem on the old SPF site because there were plenty of people around most of the time and at least a few of them would have caught that post about 21x much sooner.
I just happened to come back here again today to see if any new posts had been made and found the SMOKING 21X GUN, quite by chance.
Maybe X-man and yourself were also over at the other place like I was all day again today also. Ha. :D
I haven't read all these posts yet as I don't have time at the moment. I do appreciate your concern. The first time I tried Salvia a friend gave me some and I inhaled fully one time. I did not know what to expect that time and it hit me like a brick. I liked it so I went and bought the same thing he gave me to try which was the 21x. When I smoked it yesterday I knew what to expect so it didn't hit me as hard but I still only inhaled one good hit. I do plan on trying different levels and different products. I am particularly interested in buying plain leaf. I think the experience did not frighten me any because when I was younger I experimented with a lot of different things that weren't on the legal side. I don't care for any of those things and that is why I never continued to do any of them but I am enjoying Salvia.
Quote from: "X. Torris"QuoteToday I bought 1 gram 21x Salvia Extract from a local store. It was $30USD. I know it is strong. My question on this is... what is the difference between smoking regular leaf and smoking extract?
Extract is much, much stronger than plain dried leaf. the "21X" indicates that 1 gram of of extract is equivalent in strength to 21 grams of dried leaf. It is created by extracting the salvinorin from 20 grams of dried Salvia divinorum leaf and depositing it on 1 gram of dried leaf (20+1=21X).
If this is your first time with salvia, I very strongly suggest that you set the 21X extract aside and procure some leaf instead. It is much more forgiving, and it is easier (and safer, I think) to work your way up to amounts that produce an effect. If you have your heart set on trying the 21X make sure you start with a tiny, tiny pinch. If the pinch looks like just a speck in your pipe, it's probably more than enough.
Make sure you have a friend to sit for you while you try it out. There's no telling what you might do--- most people just sit/lie there, but some people sometimes get up and do bizarre things (myself included). One person I know smoked 10X her first time, got up, ran out of the house, got in her car and tried to drive away (no joke). Fortunately, a couple friends and I were able to shut off the engine and gently extract her from her car. Once she "returned", she had no memory of her actions, and accused her sitters of lying to her. She was quite shaken when she realized we were telling the truth. If sober people hadn't been around to stop her, I shudder to think what might've happened.
My first time with salvia was smoking 10X (half the strength of yours!) and it absolutely blew me away, not in a good way, really. So best to get some plain old dried leaf first, and put the 21X aside for future experimentation. It sounds trite and condescending (and I don't mean it to be that way), but you should learn to crawl before you try to walk.
Good luck, and welcome to SPF!
I have not smoked enough 21x extract to cause anything more then very strong euphoria. As stated in the previous post I have only taken one solid inhale on two occasions. The effect was the same on both occasions.I know different people have different tolerances so it may take a lot to make me "trip". Ultimately, I am not ready to acheive that level with Salvia yet.
Let me welcome you to the wonderful realms of Salvia Space 8) --- I can fully understand your comment about not having much interest in other substances.... Within a few months of beginning my affair with Sally, I happened to be at a party and was offered some good ole MJ... I thanked the person, but replied "nah, I gave up weed and smoke this legal herb now, instead".... Really throws the typical weed-head for a loop when they are told this.... Funny thing is, most don't even want to give Salvia a first try, just to find out what it is all about :?: ---- Makes me curious as to how they 'back in da day', ever got up the adventerous spirit to try any entheogens in the first place......... senorsal
Quote from: "senorsalvia"Let me welcome you to the wonderful realms of Salvia Space 8) --- I can fully understand your comment about not having much interest in other substances.... Within a few months of beginning my affair with Sally, I happened to be at a party and was offered some good ole MJ... I thanked the person, but replied "nah, I gave up weed and smoke this legal herb now, instead".... Really throws the typical weed-head for a loop when they are told this.... Funny thing is, most don't even want to give Salvia a first try, just to find out what it is all about :?: ---- Makes me curious as to how they 'back in da day', ever got up the adventerous spirit to try any entheogens in the first place......... senorsal
I have already gotten two friends that smoke weed to try Salvia out. While I was pushing them to give it a try I was very cautious because I was aware of how strong what I had was. They did try it but I think it didn't go the way I would have liked. They are more interested in how intense the experience was and how quickly it hit them then what the experience itself was like. So they tole me they were going to the local store I went to and getting some for themselves. I told them about the different levels they had and that it is cheaper to buy the lower levels but they weren't interested. They wanted the 21x. So, I guess I kind of messed up with these guys. Maybe they will get curious and try different types and levels. I will just have to see what happens with them.
Glad to hear you are still on the planet HE.
I was concerned simply because you had made only 3 posts and the second of those was about the 21x with no previous mention of trying it or even trying plain leaf before.
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My question on this is... what is the difference between smoking regular leaf and smoking extract?
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As they say, all is well that ends well.
Welcome aboard. :lol:
Hyper_eye said" are more interested in how intense the experience was and how quickly it hit them then what the experience itself was like."
I must admit when I first started. that is what intrigued me , that, and the incredible familiarity of the feelings.....I tried to convert everybody who would listen....scared some away, converted others.....I've calmed down abit now, and am trying to learn about the more traditional ways of using it, to see if I can bring some wisdom home....funny what Senor Sal mentioned about the classic herb, I used to smoke it 24/7/12, year after year, farming it also, but it has just faded out of my life....now I try it, its like hmmmyuck, what a weird thing this feeling is....sort of half paranoid, half sleepy......I'm pretty sure its me, and not the current state of the classic, which is much stronger than when I was smoking alot in the 70-80-90s.....I think I just fried the receptors perhaps? I never really "abused" it, but I never quit either....couple ahits/day....year after year.....hahaTrue Confessions..oh well, didn't find out about other nasty "stimulants" till I was 35 yrs old.... boy that was trouble....ok enough of this stuff.....Salvia Saved Me Hallelujah!!!! Praise the Green Electricians Too!!! later peoples Jupe
I have the exact same feelings on the classic stuff. It made me feel horrible a lot of the time. Near the end I just hated it so I decided to quit one day and haven't picked it up in a long time. The way I describe the current Salvia I am smoking to people is: an experience similar to weed but without the bad effects (cottonmouth, munchies, sleepiness, paranoia, red eye, etc. seem to be absent) when smoked in small quantities (one hit.) I only feel good when smoking it. I have not smoked more then that but I was present when the friend that introduced me to the goddess did and he seemed to see quite a bit I couldn't.
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I only feel good when smoking it.
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LOL...
Well, that is the general idea with our trusted green friend who reminds us how crappy we feel normally.
:lol: 8) :lol:
Each has their place & time.
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In my humble opinion it is not valid to even attempt to compare our old trusted green friend to SD. They are totally different herbs and work in totally different manners.
One may be more subtle than the other however, both rip away the illusion that is presented to us as reality and allow the seeker to peer beneath the curtain of deceit while expanding the consciousness and potential of those that seek alternative viewpoints in their lives.
Sorry, I just have to say a word in support of our old green friend whom I first met by chance at the ripe age of 11 years old. 8)
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I only feel good when smoking it.
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LOL...
Well, that is the general idea with our trusted green friend who reminds us how crappy we feel normally.
:lol: 8) :lol:
Each has their place & time.
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In my humble opinion it is not valid to even attempt to compare our old trusted green friend to SD. They are totally different herbs and work in totally different manners. old. 8)
Yes,Bongo, comparisons aren't very relevant.
One other theory on the classic......I know very few females who smoke as much as males do. (this is obviously a pretty big generalization, but many females I've known from the past said it made them feel "bad" paranoid etc...) I always figured it was self-medication of sorts, to balance out the max testosterone levels that males have...especially young ones.
As compared to alcohol intoxication, it certainly was a better choice for me.....heck! led me right to this place...long road of course...but still......
"When one last breath is all I got, I'm going to say thank god for pot"
oh yeah- Jupe, you haven't met my wife obviously.
Yeah, I too am quite reluctant to cast aspersions on the ole green friend from times past.. I feel it almost sacreligious to do so,BUT, on the other hand, I do find that over the years, I became less enamored with the ole standby.. As this was happening to me; I often wondered as to the reason... The hypothesis that I came up with, was that in these current times, most herb seems to concentrated on the Indica style, whereas I myself am definitely a man that leans heavily toward things Sativa..... The further things progressed, the more times it seemed that all around was of an Indica variety, the more I found myself distancing from ole 'herbie'..... Then, as they say, along came Sally :!: :!: Can not truly express how stoked I am to be riding the waves of adventure, and discovery once again... It's like a new chapter has opened on my experiental path; one I find so so intriguing and rewarding........... senorsal
Exactly, without the old friend, I doubt many of us would be here.
We all know which erb is going to be in our pockets when we go to a great concert now don't we? 8)
Quote from: senorsalviaYtimes, most herb seems to concentrated on the Indica style, whereas I myself am definitely a man that leans heavily toward things Sativa..... The further things progressed, the more times it seemed that all around was of an Indica variety, the more I found myself distancing from ole
thats true for me also....we called Indica "Pretendica" and called our fellow surfers of like intent "Sativa Believahs", 'cause ofthe endurance it gave.....or seemed to give
Hey JRL, I was going to say something funny about your wife unit, but I forgot what it was :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
Quote from: senorsalviaYtimes, most herb seems to concentrated on the Indica style, whereas I myself am definitely a man that leans heavily toward things Sativa..... The further things progressed, the more times it seemed that all around was of an Indica variety
thats true for me also....we called Indica "Pretendica" and called our fellow surfers of like intent "Sativa Believahs", 'cause ofthe endurance it "seemed" to give.....
Hey JRL, I was going to say something funny about your wife unit, but I forgot what it was :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: