I've just got my hands on a couple of three year old peyotes, and don't plan to take them for a while, but i want to know from someone who knows more on the subject than me stuff like, how old they have to be to be used, or how much should they weight, maybe some advice on growing them best, and please how you took them, because i don't know if eating, making a mescal tea or what is the best way
ps: how should i treat a san pedro cutting so it doesn't rot and i can plant it again and reproduce it?
Hi Adidas.
Welcome to the forum. Peyote buttons can be eaten fresh or dried, or a tea can be made. When harvesting buttons you can harvest them in such a way that the root does not die, and infact will create more buttons (pups). When you cut a button off, leave a few mm of green flesh on top of the root, this will allow for regrowth. The harvested buttons can then be used as intended as a medicine/entheogen or you can let the cut callous over and then replant them (therefore doubling your collection).
2 x 3 year old buttons does not sound like quite enough to really feel the medicine strong, you may want to consider getting more first, butthere again there is no harm is introducing oneself with Peyote on a small small scale first.
Bushpig
adidas:
You had better be in a country where eating peyote is legal if'n you want our assistance on consuming something that's illegal in the U$.
lw
Good advice from Bushpig on the peyote. If you dug them up and they still have the roots, consider planting them and letting them grow. They don't like a lot of direct sun or frequent water but can be grown in the home.
As to the san pedro, that's where you might want to look for your medicine. Let your cutting callous over so that the cut end is dry. Then put it in dry soil until roots grow out. Keep it in low light during this time. It will put out pups and grow like a regular plant. Pedros can take more water after they are rooted and gradually take more sun.
Where is a mod when we need one?
Five posts on the forums and dude wants to know what is the best way to eat his peyote? :roll:
lw
It is legal in many places. We don't encourage illegality but we are not agents for the police either. Chill
100% legal man, don't worry, plus, we are on the way to all penalties be removed for "drug offenses", which means drugs will no longer be offenses, for example, it's now legal to have up to 2 pot plants, and soon it's expected to grow from there, so :D:D:D:D:D
And don't want to take any peyote yet, anyway, i'm too young for that kind of mindblowingflash, but just feel lke having it growing already so i can reproduce it and such. As to peyote, should i put it out on the sun for the callous to form or in the shade, wrapped in newspaper, or something?
Sorry if i'm asking too much, but i found lot's of useful data in here so i figure you may aswell know this stuff
thanks lots
ps: argentina siempre fue tierra de nadie, un poco más, un poco menos, capaz que se vuelve tierra de todos
Yes, in many countries it's totally legal, places such as Canada, England, and Australia, just off the top of my head. I believe Israel also and a number of others.
Do not put your peyote in the sun! Not to callous or after it's started growing. Put it in dry soil until the roots form. When it resists when you gently rock it, it's rooted. Water no more than once a month. Babies need moisture but after they get 1/4" or so they need less and less. Peyote likes shade, deep shade while rooting and a little more light afterwards. The only difference with the san pedro is they can adapt to full sun after rooting. But don't rush them.
Que bueno que Argentina permite esas cosas. Me gustaria que fuera asi en los estados unidos.
Never tryed it, but I've got a few plants and I'd like to give it a try one day...
How do you prep' lophophora for ingestion?
The Huichol simply chewed the fresh or dried buttons.
Maybe a tea.
But any sort of acid/base/solvent extraction tek is certain to lose a portion of the other alkaloids and alter the experience so that it is not a peyote experience, but is not a mescaline experience, so then why bother, as you won't know what you have or had.
Yes make sure that San Pedro thoroughly dries before placing in dry soil, wait until after root buds form, until rootlets form, then lightly water. After roots are all formed, water well then let dry completely. Also raise up cactus level to nearly soil level to prevent rot after a root system is established (at least that's what I do ) =)
-Matthew-
Recently dried Peyote buttons can contain up to 8% total alkaloids of which about 30% is mescaline.
Hesham R. El-Seedi, Peter A.G.M. De Smetc, Olof Beckd,
G¨oran Possnert, Jan G. Bruhn, (2005). Prehistoric peyote use Alkaloid analysis and radiocarbon dating of archaeological specimens of Lophophora from Texas. Journal of Ethnopharmacology 101. 238â€"242.
could you give me a link for that?
Highest I've ever heard is 7%.
Hey teotz,
I've emailed you the paper to have a look through. I'm not sure if it is freely available on the net.
cheers
thanks!!
Quote from: "rahli"Recently dried Peyote buttons can contain up to 8% total alkaloids of which about 30% is mescaline.
Hesham R. El-Seedi, Peter A.G.M. De Smetc, Olof Beckd,
G¨oran Possnert, Jan G. Bruhn, (2005). Prehistoric peyote use Alkaloid analysis and radiocarbon dating of archaeological specimens of Lophophora from Texas. Journal of Ethnopharmacology 101. 238â€"242.
So around 14.6g dry = 0.350g of mescaline
Total alkaloid weight would be around 1.168 grams.
I'd say this would be a minimum starting dose of quality dried peyote material for those wanting a psychadelic mescaline experience, but I'm only guessing from the data outlined in the paper so don't take my word for it.
Quote from: "laughingwillow"adidas:
You had better be in a country where eating peyote is legal if'n you want our assistance on consuming something that's illegal in the U$.
lw
Unless one is a member of the NAC, that is. :wink: However, someone would have to be a tribal member for that too.
You can be a non-native and join the "Peyote Way Chuch of God" and legally do Peyote.
Google- "Peyote Way" if your interested.
Treading on thin ice here guys, unless the rules have been changed since I very first joined.
We have talked about allowing discussion of personal drug use but not encouraging others to do anything illegal. It's not a formal new rule yet.
You know I've heard of doses as high as 12-15 buttons! I wonder if those are tiny little buttons or what?
Peyote should be at least 3-5 years past flowering age before its harvested I think, it should also be grown in harsh conditions for 2-3 years before harvest.
Quote from: "Teotzlcoatl"You know I've heard of doses as high as 12-15 buttons! I wonder if those are tiny little buttons or what?
Peyote should be at least 3-5 years past flowering age before its harvested I think, it should also be grown in harsh conditions for 2-3 years before harvest.
Peyote takes at least 6-8 years to mature. Large buttons when fresh take four to six buttons to be the equivalent of 300-500 milligrams of mescaline sulfate, that is a clinical dose of peyote and is the equivalent of a normal NAC Indian ceremonial dosage.
One dried ounce of peyote buttons is equal to four dosages equivalent to 300-500 milligrams of chemical. a 1/4 quarter ounce of peyote (7 grams dried) is a normal dose for anyone who wants an Indian experience from peyote.
That quarter ounce could be four to five dried buttons or as many ars ten to 15 smaller dried buttons.
Buit the 1/8 to a quarter dried ounce of 3 and 1/2 dried grams to 7 grams is the normal dose for most.
mjshroomer
I have posted images of small and large buyttons in a recent post regarding the NAC and the questionable Peyote Way of Life Church.
QuoteI have posted images of small and large buyttons in a recent post regarding the NAC and the questionable Peyote Way of Life Church.
Where is that post?
And what do you mean questionable?
They have been around since the 1970s! And it's called "The Peyote Way Church of God" not whatever you said.
LOL... the "Peyote Way of Life".... :)
Quote from: "Teotzlcoatl"QuoteI have posted images of small and large buttons in a recent post regarding the NAC and the questionable Peyote Way of Life Church.
Where is that post?
The small and large dried buttons are in another of your threads.
Along with photos of Peyote books I recommended that you read.
Been a few weeks. Have you yet read any of the literature?
http://www.spiritplants.org/long-house- ... 63-15.html (http://www.spiritplants.org/long-house-f1/topic3363-15.html)
You can view the dried buttons here
You also said: Regarding your Peyote way church of God.
QuoteThey have been around since the 1970s! And it's called "The Peyote Way Church of God"
Like the Mazatec and other Mesoamerican descendants of the Aztecs, Olmecs and Toltecs. The Indians do not eat shrooms to find or seek god and the Peyotists do not seek god. They seek the spirits and advice of their ancestors.
It is the Westerners who take entheogens to seek God.
Like Maria Sabina said, before the Wasson's, no one took mushrooms to seek god or see him. Those attributes of seeking God are the white men who followed in the footsteps of the Wasson's.
While the peyote way church of god may have been around from the 1970s. The NAC is the true religion of peyote users and they are the real government approved religion of the Indians who use peyote and they are mostly members who belong to the NAC. Federal law requires to be a legitimate member one has to be able to prove that they have at least 1/4 pure Indian blood in them.
They just do not hand out papers to people over the internet and make them members.
You seem to be missing the point of what the religion is about because you still have not read any of the pertinent literature of the religion or the articles I posted to help you in your vision quest, but it is hard to tell what vision you are seeking because you make many threads and posts of wanting to grow and do many other natural plant drugs.
As Sasha Shulgin once pointed out, there is no difference between Peyote, San Pedro and mescaline sulfate.
Chemically, the results are the same. If you are an organic chemist you can extract the
mescaline from the peyote or make the mescaline synthetically in the lab.
Chemically there is no difference between the two and they are both the same. Only one is without the plant material surrounding the chemical found within.
But then I also see all of your other posts about other plant substances you either want to grow or try or you post others information and sometimes others photographs and when you do that you need to give credit to everyone else whose photographs you post without giving credit to the person whose photographs you post in some of your threads.
Try to be considerate of others works whom you site because they worked hard in school to post that information and share it with others.
If you are serious about your wanting to learn about these substances then go back to schoool or start reading the literature available about these plant substances.
The scholars and teachers and students who study these plants and gte grants like I do to go to foreign places to study them do so because we are paying for an education to learn about the miracle in these plants.
Find a copy of Christian Ratsch's Encyclopedia of Psychoactive Plants. Usually cost about $125.00 for the English edition and about $90 for the original German edition.
Close to 1,000 psychoactive plants are described.
have a shroomy day
boomer2
do you know if i can find some of that literature in the web?
u$s 125 = $400, but i'd love to read it... if there's no chance, can you point out some other more affordable titles?
I'm insterested in everything regarding teacher plants, chemical compounds and spiritual teachings, and anything you can think of, i'd be glad to read.
and, if it's not too personal to ask, what did you study?