say it aint so...
http://www.geocities.com/apolloreality/ (http://www.geocities.com/apolloreality/)
can't say cen, but I've always wondered how the astronauts supposedly survived the intense radiation found outside the earth's envelope.
great link btw, thanks...
I do not believe the landings were faked.
First of all, in skimming the page, I found a blantant sign of ignornace regarding the far side of the moon which they stated would be dark.
The far side of the moon is not always dark.
Sure, the same side always faces the earth.
When we have a new moon, that side that always faces earth is dark.
So guess what then is illuminated? - The side we cannot see.
So this faking the landing non-sense is not very well versed in science, therefore I cannot begin to trust all the hokey explanations that the landings were faked.
As for radiation, see this link (//http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/radiation_evarm_020716.html)
The radiation is worse than on earth, but not that bad.
Most of the radiation are protons, which are fairly dense and easily stopped by that capsule and spae suit, thick gear we on earth do not wear.
Winder, what about passing thru the Van Allen belt? The study cited is only of space station atsdronauts, at a relatively low altitude compared to Apollo astronauts, and inside the Van Allen.
No all radiation is equal.
True, the Van Allen belts are intense but they are of charged particles.
Charged particles such as protons and electrons are easily stopped by shielding from metal sheets. It is the gamma rays that are hard to stop.
The path of the flight can help in reducing the exposure to Van Allen radiation since the radiation is most intense over the Equator and least intense over the poles.
END OF MOON LANDING CONSPIRACY THEORIES?
Posted By: Kaspel <Send E-Mail>
Date: Sunday, 6 March 2005, 4:02 p.m.
A European spacecraft now orbiting the Moon could turn out to be a time machine of sorts as it photographs old landing sites of Soviet robotic probes and the areas where American Apollo crews set down and explored.
New imagery of old Apollo touchdown spots, from the European Space Agency’s (ESA) SMART-1 probe, might put to rest conspiratorial thoughts that U.S. astronauts didn’t go the distance and scuff up the lunar landscape. NASA carried out six piloted landings on the Moon in the time period 1969 through 1972.
Fringe theorists have said images of the waving flag -- on a Moon with no atmosphere -- and other oddities show that NASA never really went to the Moon. No serious scientist or spaceflight historian doubts the success of the Apollo program, however.
"We are observing some of the landing sites for calibration and ground truth purposes," said Bernard Foing, Chief Scientist of the ESA Science Program.
Foing told SPACE.com that the SMART-1 orbiter circling the Moon has already covered the Apollo 11, 16, 17 landing sites, as well as spots where the former Soviet Union’s Luna 16 and Luna 20 automated vehicles plopped down. The images have not yet been released.
Detailed search planned
Given SMART-1’s initial high orbit, however, it may prove difficult to see artifacts, Foing explained. Using its ion engine, the probe has successfully spiraled down further to an altitude closer to the Moon.
Foing said that each Apollo site, where the engine blast of the two-person landing craft stirred up the landscape, could be worthwhile targets for SMART-1 imaging.
"We shall search for them, with measurements not only in black and white, but also in three colors giving some information about minerals, weathering or [rocket engine] plume disturbance," he said.
SMART-1 operators also plan sequences that keep the probe’s camera specially trained on some landing sites as it sweeps overhead, Foing said. Along with these observations and others, the spacecraft will also be busy gleaning data in preparation for future international lunar exploration missions, he emphasized.
SMART-1 arrived in lunar orbit last November. Last month, ESA announced that the lunar mission would be extended by one year, pushing back the mission end date from August 2005 to August 2006.
Continued:
http://www.space.com/missionlaunches/05 ... snoop.html (http://www.space.com/missionlaunches/050304_moon_snoop.html)
well there ya go
:oops:
and i believed the 'conspiracy' theory even tho i'm not big on such scenarios...we had the documentary here on tv and the reasoning *seemed* so credible with my limited knowledge of astro-physics and so on ...
thanks winder and dendro for putting this vexing issue to bed for me.
"thanks winder and dendro for putting this vexing issue to bed for me."
don't thank me just yet, Cass, that wasn't my intent. The cameras are up there, supposedly, but we haven't seen the photo evidence yet, so until we do, I think this is still an open issue. While no photo is absolute evidence in these days of photoshop, if we see some clear photo evidence of the Apollo sites, then the conspiracy theory is greatly weakened. But the photos haven't been released yet.
Whats next America was never really discovered lol.
GP
gp ---
well, christoforo colon was not the first euro to land on western shores (or even on western isles)...
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& as for the moon landings - well, there were certainly live broadcasts from en route to ur luna there in the sky so high, and from the surface as well...
and you better believe that there were civilian, non-USA-based amateur radio operators who monitored space-based-com from the early 60s right on up to the present day...
say --- did you hear the one about the ham radio op who taped an orbiting biotelemetry data stream hot with what seemed to be a beating human heart - until the heartbeats stopped (not the radio carrier, just the data...)(& it was at this very time (can you say U2?) that robert & virginia heinlein were visiting the USSR & were told by a group of military cadets that the SovUn had boosted a cosmonaut into orbit; a few hours later, no one would admit that there was a human payload on board... hmmmm...)
the USA is generally much worse at hiding & keeping secrets than the USSR...
but then again, there's secrets & then there's secrets, i suppose...
;)
Quotesay --- did you hear the one about the ham radio op who taped an orbiting biotelemetry data stream hot with what seemed to be a beating human heart - until the heartbeats stopped (not the radio carrier, just the data...)(& it was at this very time (can you say U2?) that robert & virginia heinlein were visiting the USSR & were told by a group of military cadets that the SovUn had boosted a cosmonaut into orbit; a few hours later, no one would admit that there was a human payload on board... hmmmm...)
Fascinating! I remember reading Heinlein's account of their trip, and how the cosmonaut-- if he existed--- became an "unperson". It's really weird to hear a claim that may substaniate the theory. Sad, kind of--- there might be a dead cosmonaut in orbit. Where did you learn about this biotelemetry intercept?
See, you learn things when Heinlein fans like gnrm23 are around! :D