Can she come back? At the very least, her mantle of invincibility has been taken away. She came in not just second but third to Obama and Edwards. If Hill keeps losing people will wonder if she should drop out.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7171057.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7171057.stm)
What do the Iowa results mean?
Mike Huckabee and Barack Obama
US presidential hopefuls are digesting the outcome of the first contest of the 2008 election race.
It was celebrations for Mike Huckabee and Barack Obama, who won the Republican and Democratic nominations respectively, as voters in Iowa turned out in force to make their selection.
The Iowa caucuses can give big boosts to candidates' campaigns in the long haul to reach the White House.
Which factors contributed to the success of Mr Obama and Mr Huckabee?
This seems to reflect Mr Obama's success in reaching out to first-time caucus-goers and independents.
Many voters under 25 turned to him and he also outpolled his main rival Hillary Clinton among women.
Who were the biggest losers?
Without doubt the most glaring loss was for Senator Clinton, long considered the Democratic frontrunner and who once enjoyed a significant lead in the Iowa polls.
I caucused for Obama last night. We really liked the speech he gave after the fact.
Hillary got stomped worse than the numbers appear, imo. In our precinct, Obama had 88 or so supporters. Hillary had maybe 50. Edwards about the same. Richardson was also viable in our precinct, but apparently in few others.
lw
The media seems to like Hillary, that's her main asset besides Bill. Can the media save her? A telling fact is that Obama did slightly better among females than Hill. That was supposed to be the strong suit of Hill-Billy. Women were supposed to vote for her because she was female. That was good enough for the media but not for the voters.
And what's with all this "experience" she claims? Being in the white house is not presidential experience. Or if it is then the maids and floor sweepers have experience too. Maybe they will run for office.
It looks like she is getting desperate. You can expect her to go all out on the attack now. If she loses in the next primary, that could be it. Obama just has to ignore her taunts and do what he's been doing. Losing to Obama is one thing but losing to Eduards makes her look like nothing. One more loss and we can forget about the biatch.
She should be getting desperate. Iowa has one of the oldest populations in the union. Old ladies are her biggest supporters and older men. (At least that's what I saw at our caucus.)
Iowa lacks young people to boot. Our population is skewing way old these days.
Anyway, I'm guessing Obama will clean up in states with younger demographics, as the youngsters came out of the woodwork to give their support here in Ioway.
lw
Well, it appears Obama is going to stomp Hillary in NH, too. I'm not sure how long the national media can hold her up as the front runner when the people are saying otherwise.
news link (//http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/new_hampshire/election_2008_new_hampshire_democratic_primary)
Election 2008: New Hampshire Democratic Primary
New Hampshire: Obama 39% Clinton 27%
Sunday, January 06, 2008
The latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey in New Hampshire shows Barack Obama earning 39% of the vote while Hillary Clinton attracts 27%. The survey was conducted on Friday night and Saturday afternoon. All interviews were conducted after the Iowa caucuses and before last night’s debate.
Rasmussen Reports will continue to poll in New Hampshire each day until the Primary and report results on a two-day rolling average basis. The two-day results shows that Obama has picked up two percentage points since yesterday’s release while Clinton’s support is unchanged.
The current poll shows John Edwards with 18%, Bill Richardson with 8%, and Dennis Kucinich with 3% support.
Nationally, Clinton still leads in the Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll. However, Rasmussen Markets data now shows that Obama is narrowly favored to win the nomination. In New Hampshire’s Republican race, John McCain holds a narrow lead over Mitt Romney.
Eighty-eight percent (88%) of Primary Voters say they would be at least somewhat likely to vote for Barack Obama if he is nominated. An identical number, 88%, say the same about John Edwards. Just 80% would consider voting for Hillary Clinton if she is nominated. Those figures reflect a bit more unity than is found among Republicans. John McCain is the only
GOP candidate to top the 80% mark on this question.
Obama is seen as the most electable Democratic candidate. Eighty-seven percent (87%) believe he would be at least somewhat likely to win if nominated. Seventy-six percent (76%) say the same about Clinton and 75% think Edwards would have a chance. Fifty-one percent (51%) of the Likely Democratic Primary Voters believe Obama would be Very Likely to win. Just 38% have such confidence in Clinton.
Yesterday’s release also showed that Obama is viewed more a bit more favorably than the other leading candidates.
Rasmussen Markets data suggests that Barack Obama is currently favored to win in New Hampshire. Current prices imply that Obama has a 80.0 % chance of winning while Clinton has a 22.6 % chance. Numbers in this paragraph reflect results from a prediction market, not a poll.
RasmussenMarkets.com is a “futures market†that harnesses competitive passions to becomes a reliable leading indicator of upcoming events. Using a trading format where traders "buy and sell" candidates, issues, and news features, the markets correctly projected both Obama and Huckabee as the winners in Iowa.
QuoteWell, it appears Obama is going to stomp Hillary in NH, too. I'm not sure how long the national media can hold her up as the front runner when the people are saying otherwise.
The media is nothing if not stubborn. They will beat the drum of the "comeback kid" baloney and remind us 100 times that Bill lost an early primary and still won. It's the same thing in the local media as the national. They give a free pass to female politicians unless they are caught in a red handed murder. They also favor blacks but for some reason they like Hill over Obama. It may be because Obama is not in the Jesse Jackson/ Al sharpton mold of whiners and dirtbag opportunists.
If Hill gets beaten in NH, the tide will definitely have turned, at least in the minds of voters. Many see it that way now but a win for the bitch in NH would keep her alive. If she loses tuesday, not even the unflagging support of the media can keep her afloat. I would take Obama over any republican except possibly Paul and it doesn't look like he will get the nod. I use to like McCain but he showed he's a sellout and a war hawk.
With Hill-Billy as the demo candidate, I was going to go third party. This may change things. If Obama turns out to be a sellout too, then I'll never vote demo again.
I decided to support Barack Obama after his speech upon winning the Iowa caucuses. And when Hillary vowed to chase the youth vote in New Hampshire, as though she will do whatever it takes. Whatever.
I remember the excitement when Bill Clinton in 1992 was running for president. Hope. That's what Obama offers. That's what we need the most. Whatever comes, at least he's offering something more than cynical political triangulation.
I think we can overcome the corporate media, they have no basic beliefs in anything but "if it bleeds, it leads." We'll see....but yah, hope, it's nice to feel right now...
Hillbilly got stomped again. She wiggled back from her last stomping by doing the boo-hoo routine. Then got a so called victory in Nevada but lost the delegate count to Obama. This time she got stomped pure and simple. No amount of boohoos or Billy
as attack dog will bring her back. Ding dong the witch is dead! Put a stake through her heart. If you can find it.
Obama wins landslide victory in South Carolina
Updated Sat. Jan. 26 2008 10:16 PM ET
CTV.ca News Staff
Barack Obama won the South Carolina Democratic primary by a landslide. Hillary Clinton placed a distant second, with John Edwards coming in third.
With nearly all of the precincts reporting late Saturday night, Obama had 55 per cent of the vote, Clinton had 27 per cent, and Edwards was in third with 18 per cent of the vote.
With the crowd chanting, "Yes, we can," Obama addressed his supporters during a victory speech. He told them that what began with his win in Iowa earlier this month continued with his success in South Carolina victory. He highlighted his desire to bring change to the status quo in Washington, and noted that the U.S. is ready for a new type of politics.
The witch might be dead in South Carolina, but she still leads the delegate race. Of course, some of those delegates were earned in michigan where she was the only major candidate on the ballot.
lw
Michigan had their delegates stripped because they moved their primary up in the calendar. Check here for confirmation:
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primar ... ates/#1746 (http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/candidates/#1746)
The full delegate count for all candidates is at:
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/ (http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/)
Ya know what I think is so tawdry, so sad??? All of the little clips you see on the news about the different state races always show interviews where they ask the voters the "who" and "why" question..... Time after time, it seems to boil down to black voters of both sexes siding with Obama, and then 'ya have white women siding with Hillary.... I mean, sure, it's high time in history to elect either a woman of a person of color to the office of Pres, but I can't help but cringe at the racist/sexist reasoning behind so manner of the voters.... Sure seems like we haven't evolved much in the years since suffrage or the civil rights act eh???? :cry: ---------sal
I'm with you, sal.
As far as Hillary goes, in Iowa it was older white women who caucused for her. (Obama did real well with the younger white women.)
lw
Someone has to put a stake through her heart so the two headed beast can't come back to life. As iffy as Obama seems, he has to be better than a died in the wool big-government socialist like the bitch.
We are back to the lesser of the evils game. But, since Obama is not proven evil, there is a tiny chance for improvement.
Why is obama "iffy?"
lw
Quote from: "laughingwillow"Why is obama "iffy?"
lw
Because he waffled on Iraq as well as on other things. He was against the war and then voted to continue it. I guess he figures he has to go along to get along. He says now he will keep some troops in Iraq indefinitely, just like Hillbilly. He keeps talking about change but I have not heard many specifics that I like. I'd rather see him than Hillbilly but so what.
Quote from: StonehengeSomeone has to put a stake through her heart so the two headed beast can't come back to life. As iffy as Obama seems, he has to be better than a died in the wool big-government socialist like the bitch.
Well, I am not sure about Hillary but you say "socialist" like it was a bad thing. I think socialism might be our only hope.
With Obama's recent wins, Hillbilly seems to be on the ropes. She has been attacking her rival at every opportunity and word has it that her agents are telling people she has "scandalous" information on Obama but does not plan to use it. Yeah, right.
Look for the bitch to get more and more desperate as she sees the nomination slipping away. The delegate count is sliding into Obama's favor with each state he wins. If she does not win soon, she may be out.
In recent polls it looks like Obama does better among all voters against Mccain than Billary.
Obama Narrowly Leads McCain in AP Poll
By ALAN FRAM and TREVOR TOMPSON â€" 21 hours ago
WASHINGTON (AP) â€" Democrat Barack Obama would narrowly defeat Republican John McCain if they were matched today in the presidential election, while McCain and Hillary Rodham Clinton are running about even, according to new general-election sentiment since the Super Tuesday contests.
Obama outpaces Clinton in a matchup against McCain among men, minorities and moderates in an Associated Press-Ipsos poll released Monday. And she does no better than Obama when pitted against McCain among two groups that have supported her in Democratic primaries so far: women and whites.
I don't care how much you hate the Clintons, stop using the word bitch to refer to her. That's offensive, misogynist language in this community. Your hatred is evident enough without it.
I agree with Cen, and tell me, who was a better president, Mr Clinton, George W(orseever) Bush?
Oh really? It seems there is a magazine called "bitch" put out not by neanderthals but by self described feminists. You better go over and educate them about not using that language
http://www.bitchmagazine.org/ (http://www.bitchmagazine.org/)
And then there is:
http://bitchphd.blogspot.com/ (http://bitchphd.blogspot.com/)
http://www.thebitchgirls.us/ (http://www.thebitchgirls.us/)
And even a book called bitch by a feminist. Better go educate the author. Can't have bad language floating around.
http://www.amazon.com/Bitch-Praise-Diff ... 0385484011 (http://www.amazon.com/Bitch-Praise-Difficult-Elizabeth-Wurtzel/dp/0385484011)
And so on and so on. Cenacle, you need to be less uptight. You are simply using that to attack me with. I have no idea why. I thought we were getting along fine. Was it my clumsy comment about your book? I meant no harm but may have come off like the usual bull in a china shop.
JRL, that is a phony comparison. The village idiot would make a better president than the current occupant.
No comment by anyone about the Obama surge? Just nit picking and looking for something to complain about. Oh well
In case there is someone out there who finds the presidential race of some interest more so than starting arguments, here are the latest results
Maryland - Obama 60%, Hill 36%
Virginia - Obama 64%, Hill 35%
DC - Obama 75%, Hill 24%
It seems Obama is doing very well among women and whites, the groups usually dominated by Hillbilly. Even the media has admitted that Obama is ahead in delegates now, though the story I read "forgot" to give the totals.
I hear a wailing sound from Billary. It sounds like "I'm melting, I'm melting" Soon, all that will be left will be a puddle of greenish goo on the ground.
The community is not "Bitch" magazine, and nobody is going to confuse you or your comments anytime soon with those of a feminist.
Mr Stoney, you seem to be the argumentative one ,my friend. Anyhoo, did you know that I have been for Obama all along?
Can you say Clinton's budget surplus???
Yes, JRL, I like to argue and you like to take potshots. Can you say Clinton got lucky? I don't know of any reputable economist who says Clinton's policies are what produced the surpluses. Like I say, it would be hard to think of anyone less qualified for office than the current occupant. In hindsight, Bill wasn't that bad but I don't want him back in the whitehouse.
"The community is not "Bitch" magazine, and nobody is going to confuse you or your comments anytime soon with those of a feminist."
So only those you deem a feminist are allowed to use the term? All others must forgo it? I believe in equal rights for women though I don't call myself a feminist. If I want to call the bitch a bitch, I'll call her one.
Here are a few more sites run by women who use the term. But we have to wait for cenacle to decide if they are feminists or not.
http://www.heartless-bitches.com/ (http://www.heartless-bitches.com/)
http://www.youbitch.org (http://www.youbitch.org)
and many others
Can we get back to political stuff or is that out of the question?
You're not a female, you're not a feminist, and your argument is illogical. Your uses of the word was clearly as an obscenity, not an effort at gender empowerment. If you take a sudden dislike to Obama, are you going to use the N word and then cite hip-hop websites as your defense?
It's amazing how you say something offensive and then attack those who are offended. Very Karl Rove. How's it feel up there on the mountain where the perfect ones look down on the rest of us?
Some of us are going to vote for people you don't like, some are going to support institutions you don't like, some have opinions you don't like. That's how it is. We don't need your sanction or approval. And we're not wrong, or stupid, or sleepwalking retards, as you have said over and over, because we don't believe what you do.
You said something others here found offensive, and finally someone called you on it, and was seconded. No amount of quoting me in response is going to change that fact. There's no argument to be had.
And every time you use that word, know that you are doing the same thing again. You are offending at least some people in this community that you have been part of for years. You are running the risk of offending someone who might visit this site and read your comments and think that such comments reflect how people think here.
Watching you try and fool anyone with such pathetic rationalizations as "but the feminists do it!" should be laughable, but it isn't.
It's up to you how to respond, but sometimes someone just has to bite the bullet and back down on an indefensible action.
All right, cen. You want to be the pc word cop, fine. But, you are saying some people can use it and some can not. It's not a big deal. If I had called her a c-nt, I could see your point but maybe you just got up on the wrong side of the bed this morning. I'll leave it at that. I'll try not to use it anymore if that makes you happy. Can't promise I won't forget now and then. I also notice you refuse to discuss the issue via pm which is by far the better way to deal with these things.
Anyone want to talk about Obama's comeback and likelyhood of winning the nomination?
Regarding Obamas' latest showing: Heck, I voted for the guy, if that matters to the discussion, but I have noticed been hearing some comments by "the common man in the street" that have me feeling both uncomfortable and sort of eery.... In the last several days, I've repeatedly heard the comment that what with Hillary showing a decline in support, and the likelihood of Obama getting the nomination, the Repubs will be able to concentrate on the old rhetoric of conservative versus liberal, while not having to worry about Hillarys' entrenched support base and Dem Machine powers being utilized... The thinking seems to be that the Repubs are seeing this as a winnable situation by pitting consevative against liberals and then also attracting a substantial setion of voters that while not truly willing to admit it, are actually racist, and will not vote for Obama beacuse of the 'color line'.... Although I do feel that the Dems will end up in that big shack on Pennsylvania Avenue , I must say that if McCain actually does take the reigns; senor is out of the country, period!!!
sal: That was then, this is now.
I smell a changing of the guard.
Obama is attracting followers from all camps, colors and creeds. Check out the next event he speaks at. You will notice a ton of young faces. The kids are piling on the Obama bandwagon and that means all prevailing campaign wisdom goes out the window, imo.
Then take a look at Hillary's followers. Older white females and their husbands are her base. ANd their ain't a ton of energy in that group as a whole to fire up.
Take a look at the number of voters participating in each parties primary contests. There are WAY more dems coming out than repubs. Matter of fact, there are republicans voting for Obama because they don't like the choices on their ticket. However, I doubt you will see many repubs voting for Hillary. Matter of fact, MANY repubs despise her as much as they do her husband. She is divisive, imo.
If/when Obama gets the nod from the dems, McCain is in trouble. While I doubt many dem voters will jump ship to vote for McCain, MANY repubs can't stand MCain and will not vote for the guy. McCain might be big with independent voters, so is Obama.
In the end, this race hinges on our future direction in iraq, imo. Obama wants us out and McCain says we might need to be there for another 100 years.
Obama is energizing the youth vote and when that segment gets ramped up there will be no stopping us. The future is now.
ps: talk about old school vs new........ Hillary's followers put up a bunch of huge signs in people's yards with Clinton's name in big letters. Most candidates did the same, except on smaller signs. The exception was the Obama signs, which read in bold letters, "Hope."
lw
lw, I have to agree with you for a change. I think Obama is unstoppable right now and will sweep the nomination and carry on to the white house. Mccain will use the liberal vs conservative rhetoric to win a few voters but his unwavering support of the iraq invasion (not war, invasion) will be his undoing. The demos will hammer on that. Unfortunately, Barak is a little wobbly on that issue himself but he says he wants us out which is a lot more than Mccain says. With Obama in, we can hope for new directions, a backtrack on the invasion and perhaps decrim of pot.
Cenacle
The word you objected to is not obscene as you alleged. It is mildly socially unacceptable in the same category as "hell" or "damn". Some people even object to "gee whiz" "jeez" or "gosh" saying they disrespect the diety. As a matter of fact, Hillary has been called a "bitch" many times during her carreer. The most notable time was when Newt Gingrich's mother called her that a few years ago. It was in the papers and a subject of discussion so I'm sure you heard about it. The consensus was that it was strong criticism but no one suggested she had said anything obscene.
Acting like you are the defender of all women by slamming me for using the same term is overreaching to say the least. Likewise, implying that I said something bad about Obama was pathetic. Lets just drop it for now.
Willow, Willow, thanks so much for pointing out a number of things that I had let slip into a barely realized state of conciousness... After reading your astute analysis, I must agree... Ha, I guess I have fallen into a near constant condition of pessimism concerning AmeriKKKan politics.. In truth, deep down, I do think that yes, the Dems will take 'tha big house, so I must accept that and try to move forward... I suppose that's what is really the cause of my current trepidition... I'm truly hoping for a change. yearning to 'breathe free', as it were... I'm just hoping the next administration will actually bring to fruition some of my idealogical hopes and dreams instead of getting cornered into a morass of protracted stalemates and thus, at the end of the day, end up with but an office, without the shining light of true change burning.........
Hillary ahead in delegate count!!!! Readine the morning paper, I noticed that after the protracted hand count of the New Mexico vote, they are saying that Hillary has the lead.... Anybody confirm or deny????
Sal, there are always 3 or 4 versions of the delegate count. Each candidate has a widely differing figure and the media usually has been favoring Hill. She picked up one more delegate in N Mexico giving her 14 to Obama's 12. I don't think she is ahead overall no matter what the story said that you read. Read it more closely and you might find that they used weasel words to give that impression. I see that a lot.
Hillbilly seems to be getting more and more desperate just as I predicted. Her attacks on Obama are getting ever more shrill and nasty. Now she paints herself as being against politics as usual and Obama as being old style politics and more beholden to special interests than she is.
Her nose is getting longer.
"Her nose is getting longer" :lol: :lol: ---- Ha, you got that right.... Hearing how she's running around doing all the hand wringing and bitching about wanting to allow the Florida primary to be counted is so lame... I mean she's obviously an old political hack and all, but I can't help but wonder why she isn't embarrased by her blatant attempts to rally what appears to be a lost cause.....
Hill has no shame, Sal. That's one of her and Billy's trademarks. I will admit old Bill looks better in hindsight than he did at the time. Anyone looks better than the current occupant.
A story that has come out recently is Billary's work for a known communist early in her career. She also was working on the case of the black panthers who were on trial for torturing and killing a federal agent.
I think people have a right to work for whomever they wish and the justice system allows us to root for someone no matter what they are accused of. But, this is going to play into the hands of the repubs like mad. They are rubbing their hands in glee hoping Hillbilly get the nomination. They figure she will be dead meat. The moderates and the right will likely go to Mccain and all Hill will have left will be the far left. You can not win without the center, no one has done it yet.
I heard that Rush Limbaugh said he is giving money to Hillary. I wouldn't doubt it though he won't vote for her no matter how much he hates Mccain. The right really has no where else to go. If they sit it out and she wins, they will be the traitors to the party.
If Hill gets the nomination in a back room deal, I predict a landslide for the repubs. I don't want to see that but the demos are so good at self destruction it would not surprise me one bit. Hill will take down the party rather than give up her ego.
link (//http://www.nypost.com/seven/02162008/news/regionalnews/obama_robbed_in_ny_97932.htm)
OBAMA ROBBED IN NY
By GINGER ADAMS OTIS
February 16, 2008 -- Barack Obama's primary-night results were strikingly under recorded in several congressional districts around the city - in some cases leaving him with zero votes when, in fact, he had pulled in hundreds, the Board of Elections said today
Unofficial primary results gave Obama no votes in nearly 80 districts, including Harlem's 94th and other historically black areas - but many of those initial tallies proved to be wildly off the mark, the Board of Elections confirmed.
Truth is, in some districts getting a recount, the senator from Illinois is even close to defeating Hillary Clinton.
Initial results in the 94th District, for example, showed a 141-0 sweep for the New York senator, but Board of Elections spokeswoman Valerie Vazquez said today that the ongoing recount had changed the tally to 261-136.
As yet, none of the results has been certified, Vazquez said, adding that the Board of Elections had begun a painstaking ballot-by-ballot canvassing of all voting machines four days after the Feb. 5 election.
"We are doing a recanvass, and we will be counting all paper ballots, including absentee ones," Vazquez said.
"Some initial tallies had zeros, but it was most likely due to human error. Those were unofficial numbers, and no confirmed results have been released yet."
In a predominantly black Brooklyn district for which Clinton was given credit for a 118-0 victory on Primary Night, the Board of Elections' latest figures indicate that she may not even come out the winner - Obama currently has 116 votes to her 118.
LW--I looked for this story other than the NY Post and didn't find it, strange. I certainly hope they get that straightened out promptly. There is so much voter box irregularity fear around right now, and rightly.
I've been reading about Dem Party elders' attempts to avoid a brokered convention, and all I can think is: we're depending on the superdelegates to do the right thing, the will of the people. That's a whole lot of trust, and frankly the Democratic Party isn't meriting a whole lot of trust right now. If the primary season ends in a close race still, I don't know what the hell is going to happen.
I give them credit for censuring Bolten and Miers, and for defeating Bush on extending his "Protect Corporate America," er, "Protect America" extension of the FISA Act. What I don't credit them for is any movement on getting us out of the Occupation of Iraq, or making any meaningful moves on the tanking US economy. Leaving extended unemployment benefits out of the recent so-called economic stimulus bill just rips me up. Send everyone a check and expect them to spend it and the economy improves, voila? Are you kidding me? Rich folks will toss that check on their pile, poor folks will pay bills.
Bush is apparently in Africa right now, ironically at a time when his new budget proposal slashes aid to African countries. If it wasn't for the Occupation, and the crappy economy hurting real folks, I'd kind of wish he'd just stay there til Jan 20, 2009. Maybe some little tribe deep in the jungle will make him their king, celebrate by shrinking his head in the night. If it can get any more shrunken.
The people of Africa REALLY like Bush. And I think that's crazy. (I teach english to folks fresh off da boat and there are many peeps from all parts of Africa in me classes.)
I'm really looking forward to when the polls close in wisconsin in about one minute..........
lw
cenacle, I agree with you on most of that except for the aid to africa part. Charity begins at home. The demos definitely need to reestablish trust to show they aren't just another flavor of republicans. We need to get rid of the superdelegate system and have direct selection of nominees as well as the presidency itself. The electoral college is an archaic relic of a bygone era. It was forged in the day that very few could read and they wanted educated people to make the decisions.
The check in the mail trick is just a ploy by the politicians to get some leverage and distract the public from what's going on. Don't think about Iraq, look at the nice check you're getting.
lw, good article about the rob job in NY. I posted about it in the other thread. Shrub would never have seen the inside of the white house had he not stolen it both times. The demos need to quit trying to do the same thing and try cleaning up their act. If they were to offer an actual choice to the people, they would be in power for years to come. It would make the repubs clean up their act too.
cenacle, I heard that shrub had his head shrunk years ago.
As was predicted, Hill has stepped up the negativity and raised the volume and shrillness of the attacks in her quest for the nomination. There seems to be no depth she will not stoop to.
http://hillaryattacks.barackobama.com/ (http://hillaryattacks.barackobama.com/)
"I'm not interested in attacking my opponents, I'm interested in attacking the problems of America..."
Hillary Clinton, 11/10/07
Hillary Attacks
"'...well, now the fun part starts,' Mrs. Clinton said, punctuating the word 'fun.'"
Senator Clinton, telling reporters in Cedar Rapids about her plans to attack Democrats from now until the Iowa caucuses. [NYT, 12/2/07]
Clinton Renews Attacks
February 15, 2008
US News and World Report: "Hillary Clinton's strategists have come up with a new batch of attack strategies to use against Barack Obama in their battle for the Democratic presidential nomination. As reported earlier this week, Clinton plans to go negative to slow her rival's momentum, and now it's becoming clear how that will be done." [2/14/08]
AP: "Clinton Outlines Plan To Crack Down On Corporations; Attacks Obama." [2/15/08]
La Crosse Tribune: "Clinton Slams Obama For Not Agreeing To Debate In Wisconsin." [2/15/08]
New York Times: "Clinton And McCain Jab At Obama, Who Offers Details Of His Jobs Program" [2/14/08]
CNN: "Clinton Sharpens Attacks On Obama" [CNN, 2/14/08]
Concord Monitor: "Clinton Attack Still Riles Some" [2/4/08]
Guardian Unlimited: "Clinton Goes On Attack As Obama Closes Gap" [2/3/08]
New York Times: "Clinton's Campaign Sees Value In Keeping Former President In Attack Mode" [1/25/08]
http://barackobamaisyournewbicycle.com/ (http://barackobamaisyournewbicycle.com/)
click a few times...
That's it. I'm convinced! :twisted:
That broad has more lives than the monster in a low budget horror film. You know, the one that gets killed and they act like it's all over but it comes back to life. It gets killed a few more times and blown up but the pieces crawl back together and it keeps going. That's where Hill is right now, keeping on going. We thought she was blown up by Obama's 11 straight but she keeps on. I think I hear the fat lady starting to sing so we may see and end to this yet.
I hear that Billy is being prepped to take the blame if Hill loses. A number of articles that I think came from her camp are complaining about his tactics. She doesn't mind going negative but if she fails, it's Billy's fault.
Does anyone know if they still live together?
The weird thing is how many arguments there are right now as to whether this is "good" for the Democrats right now or not. Some say it's a good thing, like every primary now has a say rather than it all having been long decided.
I tend to think the tenor of the Clinton/Obama clash is bad. Just this week, McCain got endorsed by some racist anti-Jew, anti-Catholoic preacher lunatic who likes to say New Orleans got hit by Katrina because of an "especially sexy" gay pride parade that was coming up. God's will. What the fuck...McCain got this endorsement and not a peep was spoken.
There is also the so-called "Clinton Test" being run on Obama to ready him for the Right-Wing Mainstream Media Attack Dogs Unleashed general election shitstorm to come. If he gets the nomination.
Then there is the call for an Obama-Clinton Unity ticket that many bring up and nobody believes will happen.
In short, I don't know and I don't think anyone else knows what is going to happen. There is even talk of re-running the Florida and Michigan primaries so they "count" this time.
And, Stoney, it's still EIGHT MONTHS til the damned election. That's 2/3 of a calendar year to endure this.
In truth, the only good bits of news I've heard lately are the telecom amnesty bill in the House dying again, and Canada deciding to no longer admit into court evidence obtained by means of torture. Gotta hang on to good news where it comes...
Interestingly enough, I'm not the only one who sees Hill as a monster. She's the creature that ate the democratic party. BTW, Obama just won the Wyoming primary.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23519392/ (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23519392/)
Obama adviser resigns; called Clinton ‘monster’ Power told newspaper rival candidate stooping to low tactics
LONDON - A Barack Obama adviser resigned Friday after calling rival Hillary Rodham Clinton "a monster."
Samantha Power, an unpaid foreign policy adviser and Harvard professor, announced her resignation in a statement provided by the Obama campaign in which she expressed "deep regret."
Obama just won the Mississippi primary. On to Pennsylvania in late April. I think the good news is that that status quo in DC and the mainstream corporate media hasn't been able to derail him like they did Howard Dean in 2004. Obama is just too smart, too organized, and has built a grass roots movement that is not going to be cowed or fooled into submission.
Go watch this on YouTube if you haven't seen it already:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjXyqcx-mYY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjXyqcx-mYY)
YES, WE CAN! :D
I see Hill just said she would end signing statements, close Guantanamo, stop torture, stop unauthorised surveillence and end the expansion of executive power. She would promise a BJ to every voter if it would get her in but I welcome this very much. It brings these things into the spotlight. Now, Obama is going to have to answer if he will do those things also. Those things if brought about would tend to stop the expansion of the police state we are finding ourselves in.
At this point, I'm glad the biatch hasn't dropped out and is still beating the old dead horse. Some good may come of it.
Love him or hate him, Michael Moore makes a lot of sense to me in this piece below.
quote from below: Finally, I want to say a word about the basic decency I have seen in Mr. Obama. Mrs. Clinton continues to throw the Rev. Wright up in his face as part of her mission to keep stoking the fears of White America. Every time she does this I shout at the TV, "Say it, Obama! Say that when she and her husband were having marital difficulties regarding Monica Lewinsky, who did she and Bill bring to the White House for 'spiritual counseling?' THE REVEREND JEREMIAH WRIGHT!"
But no, Obama won't throw that at her. It wouldn't be right. It wouldn't be decent. She's been through enough hurt. And so he remains silent and takes the mud she throws in his face.
http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/messa ... php?id=225 (http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/message/index.php?id=225)
Monday, April 21st, 2008
My Vote's for Obama (if I could vote) ...by Michael Moore
Friends,
I don't get to vote for President this primary season. I live in Michigan. The party leaders (both here and in D.C.) couldn't get their act together, and thus our votes will not be counted.
So, if you live in Pennsylvania, can you do me a favor? Will you please cast my vote -- and yours -- on Tuesday for Senator Barack Obama?
I haven't spoken publicly 'til now as to who I would vote for, primarily for two reasons: 1) Who cares?; and 2) I (and most people I know) don't give a rat's ass whose name is on the ballot in November, as long as there's a picture of JFK and FDR riding a donkey at the top of the ballot, and the word "Democratic" next to the candidate's name.
Seriously, I know so many people who don't care if the name under the Big "D" is Dancer, Prancer, Clinton or Blitzen. It can be Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck, Barry Obama or the Dalai Lama.
Well, that sounded good last year, but over the past two months, the actions and words of Hillary Clinton have gone from being merely disappointing to downright disgusting. I guess the debate last week was the final straw. I've watched Senator Clinton and her husband play this game of appealing to the worst side of white people, but last Wednesday, when she hurled the name "Farrakhan" out of nowhere, well that's when the silly season came to an early end for me. She said the "F" word to scare white people, pure and simple. Of course, Obama has no connection to Farrakhan. But, according to Senator Clinton, Obama's pastor does -- AND the "church bulletin" once included a Los Angeles Times op-ed from some guy with Hamas! No, not the church bulletin!
This sleazy attempt to smear Obama was brilliantly explained the following night by Stephen Colbert. He pointed out that if Obama is supported by Ted Kennedy, who is Catholic, and the Catholic Church is led by a Pope who was in the Hitler Youth, that can mean only one thing: OBAMA LOVES HITLER!
Yes, Senator Clinton, that's how you sounded. Like you were nuts. Like you were a bigot stoking the fires of stupidity. How sad that I would ever have to write those words about you. You have devoted your life to good causes and good deeds. And now to throw it all away for an office you can't win unless you smear the black man so much that the superdelegates cry "Uncle (Tom)" and give it all to you.
But that can't happen. You cast your die when you voted to start this bloody war. When you did that you were like Moses who lost it for a moment and, because of that, was prohibited from entering the Promised Land.
How sad for a country that wanted to see the first woman elected to the White House. That day will come -- but it won't be you. We'll have to wait for the current Democratic governor of Kansas to run in 2016 (you read it here first!).
There are those who say Obama isn't ready, or he's voted wrong on this or that. But that's looking at the trees and not the forest. What we are witnessing is not just a candidate but a profound, massive public movement for change. My endorsement is more for Obama The Movement than it is for Obama the candidate.
That is not to take anything away from this exceptional man. But what's going on is bigger than him at this point, and that's a good thing for the country. Because, when he wins in November, that Obama Movement is going to have to stay alert and active. Corporate America is not going to give up their hold on our government just because we say so. President Obama is going to need a nation of millions to stand behind him.
I know some of you will say, 'Mike, what have the Democrats done to deserve our vote?' That's a damn good question. In November of '06, the country loudly sent a message that we wanted the war to end. Yet the Democrats have done nothing. So why should we be so eager to line up happily behind them?
I'll tell you why. Because I can't stand one more friggin' minute of this administration and the permanent, irreversible damage it has done to our people and to this world. I'm almost at the point where I don't care if the Democrats don't have a backbone or a kneebone or a thought in their dizzy little heads. Just as long as their name ain't "Bush" and the word "Republican" is not beside theirs on the ballot, then that's good enough for me.
I, like the majority of Americans, have been pummeled senseless for 8 long years. That's why I will join millions of citizens and stagger into the voting booth come November, like a boxer in the 12th round, all bloodied and bruised with one eye swollen shut, looking for the only thing that matters -- that big "D" on the ballot.
Don't get me wrong. I lost my rose-colored glasses a long time ago.
It's foolish to see the Democrats as anything but a nicer version of a party that exists to do the bidding of the corporate elite in this country. Any endorsement of a Democrat must be done with this acknowledgement and a hope that one day we will have a party that'll represent the people first, and laws that allow that party an equal voice.
Finally, I want to say a word about the basic decency I have seen in Mr. Obama. Mrs. Clinton continues to throw the Rev. Wright up in his face as part of her mission to keep stoking the fears of White America. Every time she does this I shout at the TV, "Say it, Obama! Say that when she and her husband were having marital difficulties regarding Monica Lewinsky, who did she and Bill bring to the White House for 'spiritual counseling?' THE REVEREND JEREMIAH WRIGHT!"
But no, Obama won't throw that at her. It wouldn't be right. It wouldn't be decent. She's been through enough hurt. And so he remains silent and takes the mud she throws in his face.
That's why the crowds who come to see him are so large. That's why he'll take us down a more decent path. That's why I would vote for him if Michigan were allowed to have an election.
But the question I keep hearing is... 'can he win? Can he win in November?' In the distance we hear the siren of the death train called the Straight Talk Express. We know it's possible to hear the words "President McCain" on January 20th. We know there are still many Americans who will never vote for a black man. Hillary knows it, too. She's counting on it.
Pennsylvania, the state that gave birth to this great country, has a chance to set things right. It has not had a moment to shine like this since 1787 when our Constitution was written there. In that Constitution, they wrote that a black man or woman was only "three fifths" human. On Tuesday, the good people of Pennsylvania have a chance for redemption.
Yours,
Michael Moore
MichaelMoore.com
MMFlint@aol.com
A very good article but MM makes it clear he is one of those who will vote for anyone even donald duck if they have a D after their name. No matter how much disgust he has for Hill-Billy, he will vote for her (shim?) if she manages to weasel her way in. I won't vote for Mccain but neither will I vote for that two headed ho'.
As a side note, Billy has sold out the presidency more than any former president in history. He is raking in the dough on the side. Do we really want to see him back in the white house? How about secretary of state Bill Clinton and ambassador at large? The ruin the repubs started will accellerate under a Hillbilly administration.
"Top Democrats have mixed feelings about Sen. Hillary Clinton running for president. Apparently, some Democrats don't like the idea, while others hate it." --Conan O'Brien
A lot of top staffers have left the Hillary campaign. When told of this, Billy said "We're allowed to leave?"
"Hillary said that when she first set eyes on Bill Clinton back in college he had a beard and he reminded her of a Viking, which is perfect because she reminded him of Iceland. ... Like a Viking, he is still out conquering and exploring virgin territory." ?Jay Leno
Old Cow...
Hillary Clinton and her driver were cruising along a country road one evening when an old cow loomed in front of the car. The driver tried to avoid it but couldn't - the old cow was killed.
Hillary told her driver to go up to the farmhouse and explain to the owners what happened. She stayed in the car making phone calls to lobbyists.
About an hour later, the driver staggered back to the car with his clothes in disarray. He was holding a half empty bottle of expensive wine in one hand, an expensive Cuban cigar in the other and was smiling happily, smeared with lipstick.
"What happened?" asked Hillary.
"Well," the driver replied, "the farmer gave me the cigar, his wife gave me the wine, and their beautiful twin daughters made mad passionate love to me! ."
"My God, what did you tell them?" asked Hillary.
The driver replied: "I said, I'm Hillary Clinton's driver, and I just killed the old cow."
Hill's win in Pennsylvania just prolongs the demos agony and makes them weaker in November. It makes it more likely that Mccain will be the president. If she can't have it she does not want anyone to have it.
The issues she brought up about signing statements, Guantanamo, and the expansion of executive power under shrub have been left on the back burner. It seems the media is very cool to the idea of examining these issues which are highly important. If you are lucky you may see a local editorial in your newspaper on the subject but the wire services seem determined to keep a low profile on these important matters.
Hillary is way finished.
Obama's wins put him within grabbing distance of the nomination and make it virtually certain he will be the nominee. Hill won in Kentucky and West Virginia and vows to continue. It seems she always gets the hillbilly vote. Her role now has become that of the spoiler. Her attacks against Obama give ammunition to the repubs.
On the repub side, Mccain has released only the last 2 years of tax returns. His wife has not released any of hers. Both the Obamas released 8 years of returns. How do we know Mccain isn't beholden to corporate interests? How do we know it isn't funneled through his wife? It looks like we will never know.
Mccain has repackaged himself as a moderate and Obama better do the same. Appealing to the hardliners is not going to win this election. Moderates hold the key.
At this point, it seems Hill's best chance at the nomination is if Obama has something nasty happen to him. There reportedly have been a number of threats against him which he has downplayed.
There is also pressure to put her on the ticket when he gets the nomination. That, as I said, would overbalance the ticket way too much on the liberal side. It may be a dream ticket to some but moderates are the ones who will decide this election. Mccain is already presenting himself as a moderate to those who don't know better.
It seems Obama is poised to win in Montana.
(CNN) â€" Sen. Barack Obama appears to be headed for a win in one of the final contests of the Democratic nomination race, according to a new poll of likely Democratic primary voters in Montana.
Obama’s support stands at 52 percent and Clinton’s is at 35 percent. Thirteen percent of those who participated in the survey were unsure who they preferred as the Democratic nominee.
The Mason-Dixon poll of 400 likely Democratic primary voters in Montana was conducted May 19-21 and has a margin of error of plus or minus five percentage points.
Montana and South Dakota will hold the last Democratic presidential primaries on June 3; sixteen pledged delegates are up for grabs in Montana’s primary and 15 in South Dakota.