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Plant Matters => The Salvia Plane => Topic started by: apex on December 16, 2007, 09:50:13 PM

Title: Should I try her?
Post by: apex on December 16, 2007, 09:50:13 PM
I havent yet tried lady salvia... and Im nervous and am not sure if i want to. The other topic about how that guy slipped into another dimension and needed help getting back scared me... i dont want to go on a trip for weeks and just want it to be a 5 min thing then be glowing for a lil while then normal... i have done quite a bit of research but im just not sure. Some of the people i tlaked to said that when they did salvia they never felt quite right since... and like this guy i know cryed when talking to me about it. But hes also done a lot of other drugs. Is it safe? Give me your feedback.
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Post by: apex on December 16, 2007, 10:22:44 PM
I must be insane to have even tried it again. Plain leaf it may be however still powerful none the less. Every time I try salvia now I just have a flash back for that one bad experience. I think I understand now that salvia is torturing me. She doesn’t like to be experimented on. I feel as if I opened a door that was never meant to be broken. It was like the backdoor into another form of conscious. I hope that somehow that which connects me with that reality will be broken.


that was a quote from an experience i found... i dont want that reaction.. i dont want to stay like that... I dont want to be stuck in a foreign conciousness that i dont like.. what do you guys think? If i do it and dont like it will i eventually come back or will i stay like that forever?
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Post by: apex on December 18, 2007, 12:22:15 AM
and i just found out i cant get it at my local hemp shop
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Post by: laughingwillow on December 19, 2007, 07:33:10 PM
You are posting like a troll, brawh.

In the op, you claim never to have tried sally. Then you claim to regret having tried sally again, on the same day. So, which is it?

 I get the impression you are again tugging our collective chain.

ps: I don't believe a word you type.

Aloha,

lw
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Post by: Stonehenge on December 21, 2007, 04:55:25 PM
Nothing worse than a lazy troll who doesn't even try to get his act together.
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Post by: apex on December 27, 2007, 11:24:16 PM
im very sorry im just kind of nervous... and that story was from somehting i found on theinternet and it scared me... and no i still havent tried it. And Im not a troll :(
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Post by: laughingwillow on December 28, 2007, 04:51:48 PM
Prolly best to stay away from salvia, maybe.  Its not for everyone, that's for sure. Nothing recreational about it, imo.

lw
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Post by: DrYRHead on January 06, 2008, 04:23:27 AM
I'm thinking that you should really have read up better on her first apex.
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Post by: apex on February 09, 2008, 03:16:20 AM
Its been quite some time now since I first considered trying her... and honestly I feel it was overcontemplated. I know everyone says make sure what your messing with and why you want to do this drug etc but I spent hours sitting and thinking and considering it and in the end when i did it a few days ago it was nothing that I could have expected. Nothing like what all the research prepared me for. It was something totally unique and I know this may seem insane but I feel like i've been somewhere I can't explain to humans. It's something more... spiritual. I did it again today and it was the same thing. I really wish I could explain it better but it was a totally personal spiritual journey.

My trip - Ok first of all I know I didnt take it quite proper. I had 5x and i had to smoke it out of a pipe... I wanted to get more out of it than my last experience but I couldnt get anything stronger so I just hit it repetetively... about 7 times in all and I held each one for 20 seconds.

Right after all this I look up and i feel like within 30 feet on every side all the trees i saw (i was in the woods... to be in touch with nature) were like flat and like a wall. I felt like i was kind of stuck within this open room. As i did a glance about 360 degrees around I saw 3 portals that led to the other side of the wall. There was 1 main one and 2 minors. Through all of them I could see sort of bright lime green cartoon ferns. I never got a chance to walk through the portal but I cant help but keep thinking what was on the other side?

After that i started walking and all that deteriorated. There was a path leading around a  pond nearby that went all the way around and it turned black with pink highlights and everything else was black outlined with pink... there were some elephants in a lil car (like the ones from dumbo.. the lil pink ones) and they drove by on the path but the entire time i felt like i was watching from above the pond.  

After i finished my walk through the woods i went up on the street and this car drove past me....  I heard someone scream  MITCHHHHHHH as loud and clear as day... like they were right in my ear but i was all alone... it wasnt scary or anything. I was kind of confused. I then realised it was the sound of the car engine but for some reason it had been so clear.

I tripped for a good 20 minutes... and after that i just felt like everything made sense. Im very excited for my next journey.
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Post by: Stonehenge on February 09, 2008, 05:36:30 PM
You will get tired of the trips after a while. Everyone does. I use it with small doses just for the clean feeling afterwards. It's an excellent anti-depressant. But oddly enough, depressed people won't try it or any other supplement usually.
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Post by: apex on February 11, 2008, 12:48:23 AM
Yeah... I figured that and how i felt afterwards was the highlight. I mean even now how many days later i feel so clear... like its taken all the stench of corruption etc and rid it from me.
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Post by: laughingwillow on February 11, 2008, 08:54:03 AM
apex: I could be wrong, but it doesn't sound to me like you "broke through" during the experience described above. Cartoonish is how I also describe my first couple of salvia trips. (The after glow was present for me, too.)

I could be wrong. But for me, there was another level after the cartoon-effect stage. And getting there gets easier every time I smoke. (Two to three hits of plain leaf will do the trick for me at present.)

lw
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Post by: apex on February 11, 2008, 11:53:27 PM
Thankyou for the input. Everyone has told me about this breaking through and im fairly certain that it didnt happen to me. I dont quite understand what it is but i figure when it happens I'll know.
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Post by: laughingwillow on February 12, 2008, 01:14:35 PM
LOL Oh yeah, you will know. hahahahaahahahahaha!

Good luck. And take your time.

lw
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Post by: apex on February 18, 2008, 12:58:01 AM
what stength of extract do u recomend?
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Post by: laughingwillow on February 18, 2008, 08:14:10 AM
Extract?

I use plain leaf.

And last time I smoked any sally, a friend wanted to see what it smelled like and I figured I'd do a couple of little hits for the lingering after effects. SO I sat at the bar in the kitchen and horked down a couple of small hits. Then I had to fight like hell to stay out of sally space and on my bar stool...

Reverse tolerance is real.

lw
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Post by: apex on March 02, 2008, 09:06:20 PM
lol why would you want to stay out of sally space?
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Post by: JRL on March 03, 2008, 01:34:38 PM
Maybe so he wouldn't fall off the stool
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Post by: laughingwillow on March 03, 2008, 06:24:52 PM
LOL Thazz right.
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Post by: visionarybear on March 09, 2008, 10:59:38 PM
haha nice one LW, i must say, since i finally sourced a cutting here in new zealand, ive been enjoying the plain leaf, not even to venture to her land, but just to enjoy the light shift in perception..until you have one bowl too many and dissapear.. works well to strech other combustables, or to add an extra layering..
i reccomend the extracts, but start smaller, like 5X or something, to help break through or get enough salvia in a single inhale, i always find that the sally doesnt hit until i exhale, kinda like your exhaling the 'normal' reality...
the stronger extracts should only be used by someone who is comfortable/experienced with where they might be taken, dismembered and spat back out, kinda a minimal smoke stratergy..
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Post by: plantshaman on March 20, 2008, 12:54:45 AM
If you go into a salvia trip with some sort of question or intention that u are focused on it can sort of keep it from getting so weird and distracting which can allow you to get more out of it . Although sometimes it has other ideas and you have to roll with . The green ferns you mentioned are good . I almost always see some sort of green wall, blanket, curtain , field plants etc which becomes more pronounced the higher you get but when i totaly break on through i'm sort of inside that green , it just washes over and through you and then some really weird stuff happens which can't be descibed but is always amazing. the break through level is worth checking out someday but i think salvia's best potential is with plain leaf that is potent, maybe up to 5x if you  are a hard head .... 10 x or up can easily lead to extreme discomfort for the majority of users. way too much unless you have alot of experience and a sitter. ......I stick with plain leaf these days and its plenty powerful as long as you get a decent hit.  the only downfall is salvia smoke has alot of tar which makes extracts useful but it becomes very easy to take too much .