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Plant Matters => The Salvia Plane => Topic started by: Africa on November 05, 2007, 05:58:31 PM

Title: Salvia / Cactus Link?
Post by: Africa on November 05, 2007, 05:58:31 PM
So far, all my salvia trips have involved very strong cactus motifs and sometimes deserts. I have read other trip reports referring to cacti, and have seen salvia-inspired art with cacti in the scene. I expected my plant ally to show something more salvian, like the plant itself or even more tropical rather than desert scenery. Any ideas why a leafy ally refers to brother cactus? Any other reports?
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Post by: mindcandy on November 05, 2007, 06:20:46 PM
They seemed pretty separate to me.  Salvia tended to have predominant "mexican" motifs, with a few exceptions.  Cacti were very much Huichol in visions, for me.   Just my experiences...

mindcandy
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Post by: laughingwillow on November 06, 2007, 04:51:15 PM
Africa: It sounds like you have what we might call "pre-concieved expectations" of the experience in question.  

One question: Who responsible for planning lessons, the student or teacher?

lw
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Post by: DrYRHead on November 07, 2007, 02:24:48 AM
Yes Africa, something of the Cacti kind may have seeded your visions.
 I usually get Salvia-like vine or tree visions on SD, but to each his/her own.
Title: Preconceptions
Post by: Africa on November 07, 2007, 09:10:47 PM
That's the curious thing, laughingwillow. I fully expect and accept that the subconscious may "plan" the lesson. My problem is that I knew that salvia came from a more temperate environment (it is not a desert plant). Yes, I know about Peyote and San Pedro. But I also know about Ibogain and mushrooms. Salvia is the only consciousness-enhancing substance I have ever taken, so it can't be based on experience. I thought that it may have been a random selection the first time, but it recurred all the following times. So I started looking around on the Internet and found other salvia experiences that included cactii, including art. So it's not just me either. I suppose it could be coincidence, given a large enough sample, but it is still curious to me. Are the two allies friends?