I know some varities of Salvia are named form different places of origin.
Example-"Cero Quemado" was found near the village of Cero Quemado, Mexico.
I know some varities of Salvia are named after the founders.
Example- "Hofman and Wasson strain" brought back to the USA in 1962.
Example- "Owens strain" was collected by Jack Owens in 2003.
My question is there any physical differnces in the strain and varities of Salvia plants?
Are any strains more disease resistant? Or more hardy? Or more vigorous? Or different properties? Or have different growth habits?
etc.....
The Luna strain is noticeably different having large serrated leaves.
It is also from what I hear, a very sturdy strain of Salvia Divinorum however, I also heard that it is a somewhat slower growing plant.
Supposedly there also exists a plant that has dappled leaves but this seems to be very rare and not on the market.
Funny you should mention this subject. There is a plant researcher over at Yahoo Salvia D who is asking questions about improving the species through gene splicing, chemical manipulation, habitat manipulation etc. etc. he was wondering about the different varieties. My feeling about this, based on what I've read, is that all the "strains" are basically one plant, with some differing growth habits. Luna sounds like the most promising. If those plants would set seed, we might be able to get that new branch growing(no pun intended).
This fellow wanted to improve the strength, to which most folks said "why bother" its already too strong!! so we are encouraging him to apply his talents towards seed production instead. We'll see I guess. A great online source of info on strains and flowering difficulites etc is called http://www.sabia.com/salvia/ (http://www.sabia.com/salvia/) and is worth reading, also has some great pictures.
Quote from: "Bongo"Supposedly there also exists a plant that has dappled leaves but this seems to be very rare and not on the market.
Are you referring to the Paradox or Appaloosa strain?
Theatrum Botanicum has the Paradox strain.
Paradox is a strain that Siebert grew from seed in 1994.
According to Siebert's site, the leaves have a slightly mottled appearance.
Just curious, since it seems common wisdom that S. divinorum is a cultivar and of one type then are the others that differ from this "original" one products of seed production outside of the natural habitat or are they simply different clones that had been found in Mexico and brought into cultivation?
What sort of differences in chemical properties have been found between these different types?
Is it possible that the increasing of successful flowering and crossing of the plants may have a negative effect on the chemical constituents of the species overall?
~Michael~
Quote from: "crossbreed"Quote from: "Bongo"Supposedly there also exists a plant that has dappled leaves but this seems to be very rare and not on the market.
Are you referring to the Paradox or Appaloosa strain?
Theatrum Botanicum has the Paradox strain.
Paradox is a strain that Siebert grew from seed in 1994.
According to Siebert's site, the leaves have a slightly mottled appearance.
I was talking about the Appaloosa strain which I hear is very rare and only in private collections.
Quote from: "M S Smith"Just curious
What sort of differences in chemical properties have been found between these different types?
Is it possible that the increasing of successful flowering and crossing of the plants may have a negative effect on the chemical constituents of the species overall?
~Michael~
================================================= I would be very interested in knowing of different chemical properties between differing types as well.... Jeez :!: Perish the thought of creating a negative effect on chemical constituents of species overall... I mean really, I do shudder at the mere suggestion of such a thing occurring! ......... senorsal
The luna clone is a great one, very robust with big leaves and it grows as quickly as the Wass./Hoff. clone. Highly recommended.
Strange how many people report the Wasson & Hoffman clone to grow rapidly. I have never had any luck with it and the Blosser strain seems to me to grow much quicker.
Quote from: "Bongo"Strange how many people report the Wasson & Hoffman clone to grow rapidly. I have never had any luck with it and the Blosser strain seems to me to grow much quicker.
It depends on the conditions I would assume. I live in S. Fl. where it is naturally warm, humid, and kept in a great location so they get the evening sun. So my plants grow rapidly. And they are wasson ...
Quote from: "GreenThumbBum"Quote from: "Bongo"Strange how many people report the Wasson & Hoffman clone to grow rapidly. I have never had any luck with it and the Blosser strain seems to me to grow much quicker.
It depends on the conditions I would assume. I live in S. Fl. where it is naturally warm, humid, and kept in a great location so they get the evening sun. So my plants grow rapidly. And they are wasson ...
Try 70% shadecloth for S. Florida and allday exposure, getting them used to it gradually if need be, they love the long daylength down there, and will really grow fast.
Siebert is selling Divinorum plants on his website. Can it be assumed these are the Paradox strain? His website does not mention which strain it is.
Thanks.
Quote from: "freeseeker"Siebert is selling Divinorum plants on his website. Can it be assumed these are the Paradox strain? His website does not mention which strain it is.
??? He's been out of stock for years now....
QuoteSiebert is selling Divinorum plants on his website. Can it be assumed these are the Paradox strain? His website does not mention which strain it is.
Naw. He used to sell (or at least, list) a variety of strains on his website. But he seemed to have stopped a couple years ago and hasn't sold live plants since. At least not on his website.
I ordered some sally plants from logees several years ago, and then good ol' gliber sent me afew cuttings. I don't recall the strain on either, but they were quite visually different, and the differneces remained from cutting to cutting. One had lighter green flat leaves are flowered easily, yet was more senstiive to cold (that was the loggess one) and the other one had very rough leaves that were a darker green and was little cold tolerent.
Quote from: "X. Torris"Naw. He used to sell (or at least, list) a variety of strains on his website. But he seemed to have stopped a couple years ago and hasn't sold live plants since. At least not on his website.
Curious!! The Sage Wisdom Salvia shop was listing plants for sale as recently as two weeks ago, but now a note says he's out of stock. :shock:
Huh. Maybe he just sells out very quickly every time he has new stock available, so it only seems like he's not selling live plants.
I would've assumed he'd just be selling either the Wasson/Hoffman or Blosser strains if he was selling them--- otherwise advertising the exceptional strains.
The leaf that is most desirible seems to come from plants that have grown adn toppled over, they do this odd thing where they just leap over . . . they then send out roots, and start getting quite bushy.
A kilo of salvia leaves gets anywhere between 2 and 4 grams salvinorin A.
I am very interested in anything that hada ahigher amount of salvinorin. The Mazatapic stuff has 4 grams of salvinorin A, and I ahve not heard of any domestic salvia plants producing that!!
OMG GOD do I want to be wrong, lol.
Last time I got ahold of Salvia in the 4.2 4.4 range was from the good people at the old Peruvian Journey site.. It's my guess that they did not just up and disappear without a trace (as they retired because of a death in the family).. I'm betting someone 'out there' is aware of the particulars such as where they got their product line from.... Ah, the search fer enlightenment doth persist eh??? :wink: -------- senorsal
quote"I am very interested in anything that hada ahigher amount of salvinorin. The Mazatapic stuff has 4 grams of salvinorin A, and I ahve not heard of any domestic salvia plants producing that!! quote"
IMHO...... Salvinorin A content is not as much related to genetics, but also to how the plants are raised, and what conditions they are dried under.......
Extraction of pure salvinorin A is something I disagree with, not for New Agey reasons, but because of the attention those procedures bring from the authorites, that is what will get this plant outlawed. White Powder Procedures always cause trouble...IMO