I got some plain leaf, and only had, at the time, a pipe and regular lighter to smoke with, though now I have a bong, but still only a plain lighter (which I have yet to try)
Ska Maria Pastora has been unwilling to entirely accept me into her world... that, or my mind has been unwilling to be swept into that world... 3 serious attempts, and only threshhold results... tried smoking twice, and a combination quid/smoke method once... the latter was the best results, but nothing phenomenal... and it sucks holding a wad of chewed up leaves and what felt like 18 litres of saliva in your mouth for half a bloody hour... but basically, after I spit it all out, I took a big haul off the pipe... started into the pipe as I was holding the smoke in... the ashes looked like a face staring back at me (similar to looking at something on mushrooms, when it doesn't look different than it normally would, but you see something very specific in it) and I had a very particular feeling that it, as well as the face, there were a handful (like 3 or 5) male figures watching me, sternly insisting that I MUST hold the smoke for 30 seconds... after exhaling that feeling started to wane... took another hit... visualized a sorta river valley... not in the sense of a true visual, but like... I dunno how well you visualize before falling asleep, but I find that just before I'm really asleep, I sorta start to dream... like a vivid image in my head that isn't really concrete... or I can hear voices in my head that aren't associated with my internal dialogue... but that's what this river valley was... like... a back-of-the-mind visualization... and during that I also had a very distinct feeling... this time, it was like "they" were showing me the beautiful places I could travel if I could just push myself over the edge... whether that's through more smoke, or just letting go, I'm not really sure... but, to sum it all up, it may be that my lungs aren't capable of inhaling enough smoke, holding it long enough, and taking another hit IMMEDIATELY after that is my problem, or that I'm just having difficulty letting myself slip into that realm... I still have about 1/5 of what I was sent left... I gave one friend a little bag, which he didn't have with him when he spent the night, so I also hooked him up with about an equal amount to experiment with that night... if you haven't tried it, or read the FAQs, the best results are supposed to be achieved with a bong and torch lighter... if you don't have that, make sure the flame is held over the bowl for the entire time you are drawing... which is also a problem of mine... that shit gets hot... and from many years of smoking other herbs, I habitually pull the lighter away when it gets hot, and keep drawing... bad form, and I think the gatekeepers were trying to help me with that
and, while I can't describe very well what someone else felt, my friend told me all he got after boosting (quid/smoke) was that as he layed back, he had a distinct visualization that his body was just a shell, and that his spirit was a separate entity within it... that he was on the verge of leaving the shell, but just didn't get out... that kinda goes along with another feeling I've gotten in my attempts... which is like a pulling feeling... sorta like if something gripped onto your clothes at the back of your sleeves, all the way up, and at the back of your shirt... except that it wasn't my clothes being pulled, it felt like it was pulling inside my body at the intangible fabric of my existence
in short, I wouldn't say that my experiences were 'failed attempts'... they were more like... 'first dates'... where I'm just getting acquainted with Ska Maria and we just need to open ourselves up to each other
----- Pssst.....my pet monkey says to try some extract-------- 8) sal
[in short, I wouldn't say that my experiences were 'failed attempts'... they were more like... 'first dates'... where I'm just getting acquainted with Ska Maria and we just need to open ourselves up to each other[/quote]..
doing good sunsebb, take it slow........ when you finally are aquainted with salvia, it will be worth the wait. If you do use 5x or stronger, keep a sitter nearby, next room or whatever...good luck
If I were you, rather than get hold of an extract, I would try to have the setting and mental preparation setup perfectly.
The room should be reasonably dark, void of distractions and it is best to calm yourself almost to the stage like just before you fall asleep. But of course you don't want to fall asleep you just need the same sort of internal calm.
Took me at least a couple of months before I felt anything other than minor effects similar to you described with plain leaf. But once the breakthrough comes, the reverse tolerance can take you by surprise and you can find yourself in a very high level experience with the same amount or less. That is why I suggest you stay away from extracts as you seem to have already started to experience the preliminary effects.
I think with some simple fine tuning of setting and mental state, you could possibly be only a stones throw away from the real deal.
I would second Bongo's comments. Try working with plain leaf a little longer. You are feeling some effects, but its probably like you said, "Ska Maria Pastora has been unwilling to entirely accept me into her world."
I still have, what I would guess to be, 3-4g of the leaves left... I don't have a scale, but I'm assuming that it is less dense than an herb I'm more familiar with the weight of (would look to be about 4-5g, if it were that herb)... so I've got a bit left to experiment with, I just haven't been in a set/setting with a sitter I know would be trustworthy and patient/unobtrusive... I have a feeling my next attempt will show more results, since each attempt has led me a few steps further than the previous... I have a friend who is also interested in attempting a journey with me this week, so I'll likely report back then... if I weren't so generous, I'd have a lot more to work with... but since I had a kind benefactor to send me leaves, I felt it was necessary to continue the chain of giving... who couldn't use a karma boost anyway ;)
That is the spirit sunsebb. :lol:
I give many of my SD plants away for the same reasons plus, if I ever have a catastrophy with mine, I can always get some more.
Maybe you can find somebody who has a plant to give you some cuttings so that you can learn to grow her and get aquainted properly.
I'd love to start growing, the only problem is that the 1-bedroom apartment I share with my girlfriend is already twice as cluttered as I would like... I barely could find room for a small christmas cactus and a young spider plant
we are looking into moving into a bigger place, hopefully in the near future I'll have a little more room for growing things... but until then, I think the apartment is at max. capacity
QuoteI'd love to start growing, the only problem is that the 1-bedroom apartment I share with my girlfriend is already twice as cluttered as I would like... I barely could find room for a small christmas cactus and a young spider plant
we are looking into moving into a bigger place, hopefully in the near future I'll have a little more room for growing things... but until then, I think the apartment is at max. capacity
I hear that---- I've had to give away/plant outside almost all of my green friends since I moved to my new apartment. A combination of not enough space & not enough light. My next place definitely must have sufficent room for my green thumb, as I miss all the green.
X-man...
Just put some bleach in thw xmas cactus and the spider plant and have a nice looking SD ready to bring home to console your girlfriend with.
8)
yeah getting back to that reverse tolerance, with a couple years of experiance with leaf behind him, my cat says he started with big fat bowls of leaf to get effects, down to miligrams numbering in the single digits with 2 year old leaf, and double digits with newer leaf.
I can surely agree with Freddie as to the reverse tolerance effect... Isn't it wonderful what the Green Goddess offers her patrons 8) I mean, take a look at all the other allies out there... Most people end up needing more and more to maintain a decent reality deconsructuring, while Lady S. allows the user to use less and less to achieve desired effects :) --- What a wonderfully unique property.... In regards to previous posts suggesting that newer users of Salvia stick with plain leaf.... I understand the desires of many to treat Salvia with the proper respect, and while 'start low / go slow is indeed an honorable road to travel; I suspect that for many newbies, that if they are only getting minimal effects during their beginnings upon the Sally Path, it's my bet that extract would help peeps to 'get over the hump', experience Salvia in her full glory... Then, it would folloew that experience with her and reverse tolerance would build, getting one back to where 'less is truly more'------- senorsal
The first and only time I went to meet Lady Salvia, I only saw her once at the end, she told me we'd meet again. The moment has not yet come, but it will. So, what happenned, I saw a lot of things, at that moment, I was ready to get over with many things in my life and the Lady made me able to see in clearer and deeper ways than I could have before and that was a marking point in my life, my point is, whatever happens, there are two persons you need to have faith in, that is, her, and yourself. Anyway, I'm glad to see you take your experiences with the Lady "seriously" (i don't like the word serious!), I've seen so many people just go around saying how much of a good time they had "on" Salvia with their buddies. Drugs shouldn't be considered recreationnal!
Take care,
F-E
Orb, I don't believe it is either . Salvia is just another way to open the door to an altered state of consciousness .
I am not convinced that anything has a Spirit the same as a Human.
here are a report from my 3 times trying salvia extract x10.
First time:
i smoked a couple hits, got taken over by what i call the salvia fractal world, and basically blanked out. I had a sitter, who told me that i went into the kitchen, and started speaking with my mam, who was not actually in the kitchen. i then went to sit back on the couch in the living room, having no recollection of what happened. if i did remember anything, it was talking to someone who wasnt there.
I was unable to recognize my sitter, whom at the time was a new friend, and whom i think was not yet imprinted in my memory.
My first try at salvia extract was a strong one, reassuring me to the power of plants and the fragility of what we call our "agreed upon reality".
second time:
Sitting on the same couch, a hit of smoke, and the green fractals take over my body.
Then, i went to a place where people were in line, a long line, with no environment around them. I came back to the couch, feeling as if i just went to a line of "dead" people, waiting to fill out some papers or something. ie, it felt as if even after "death" we still got stuff to do, be in line and fill out more paper works. This was no surprise to me, more like a "oh, shit, i knew it, it never ends".
Third time:
sitting in the same living room, alone. smoked, fractals take over.
I went to a place where i was a 10 year or so little girl. i was sitting by the tire of a car, and could see a big stone house behind the car's tire. apparently the family i belonged to as this little girl, was going on a trip for the week end, and the mother of that family was telling the kids, me and my brother in that reality, to put the baggs in the car trunck. i guess i was taking a break and sitting on the floor for a while. those visions were extremely clear, i could draw the house i saw, and the driveway in all its details.
those were my 3 experiences with salvia extract x10. next, i would like to try eating and another time try smoking the leaves.
What seems very specific to salvia to me, is the breaking through and being taken over by the green fractals, limb by limb. Also, it seems to me that perspective, ie, point of view, switches to a 90 degree angle.
quite interesting experience, which i have not yet felt anything similar with any other psychedelics tried.