In the end, I decided not to pollute the mountain with this little ditty on the fundamentals of hyprocracy.
PS: I know, I know, dude is innocent until proven hypocritical...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061102/ap_ ... llegations (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061102/ap_on_re_us/haggard_sex_allegations)
By CATHERINE TSAI, Associated Press Writer 1 minute ago
COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. - The leader of the influential National Association of Evangelicals, a vocal opponent of the drive for same-sex marriage, resigned Thursday after being accused of paying for sex with a man.
The Rev. Ted Haggard also stepped aside as head of his 14,000-member New Life Church while a church panel investigates, saying he could "not continue to minister under the cloud created by the accusations."
The investigation came after a 49-year-old man told a Denver radio station that Haggard paid him to have sex.
Haggard, a married father of five, denied the allegations in an interview with KUSA-TV late Wednesday: "Never had a gay relationship with anybody, and I'm steady with my wife, I'm faithful to my wife."
In a written statement, Haggard said: "I am voluntarily stepping aside from leadership so that the overseer process can be allowed to proceed with integrity. I hope to be able to discuss this matter in more detail at a later date. In the interim, I will seek both spiritual advice and guidance."
Mike Jones, 49, told The Associated Press that Haggard paid him to have sex nearly every month for three years. His allegations were first aired on KHOW-AM in Denver.
Jones said that he had advertised himself as an escort on the Internet and that a man who called himself Art contacted him. Jones said he later saw the man on television identified as Haggard.
He said that he last had sex with Haggard in August and that he did not warn him before making his allegations this week.
Jones said he has voice mail messages from Haggard, as well as an envelope he said Haggard used to mail him cash, though he declined to make any of it available to the AP.
"There's some stuff on there (the voice mails) that's pretty damning," he said.
Richard Cizik, vice president for government affairs for the evangelicals association, expressed shock.
"Is this something I can imagine of Ted Haggard? No," he said.
Carolyn Haggard, spokeswoman for the New Life Church, said a four-member church panel will investigate the allegations. She did not identify the board members.
"This is really routine when any sort of situation like this arises, so we're prepared," she said. "The church is going to continue to serve and be welcoming to our community. That's a priority."
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Associated Press writer Dan Elliott in Denver contributed to this report.
As of this afternoon, it appears holy-dude has admitted to buying meth and getting a massage from male prostitute-dude, but that's it. Says he beat the temptation of meth after purchasing, but before using. And the massage was just that.
I found this little ditty just now. Be sure to pay attention to the captions.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6rSjrBhUIA&NR (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6rSjrBhUIA&NR)
lw
Yep, "family values" takes another one up the ass!
Funny, we where just going by the church the other night and talked about stealing his parking sign - Dobsons too. We figured if they don't have any space to park their limos, maybe they'll leave!
The male prostitute-dude just released a tape that is alledgedly the holy-dude asking if he can get him some MORE of that for $100 for $200. So the holy-dude must be like really stupid and really, really, tempted by the devil to keep buying meth and flushing it.
I would so much like to show up in Colo Springs this coming Sunday morning, bright and early, in order to picket in front of holy-dude's church. I would hold my "REPENT HYPOCRITES!" sign high and proud.
Closing my eyes, I can see ttst there, too. Let's see... His sign reads, "THE PARTY OF FAMILY VALUES TAKES ANOTHER ONE IN THE ASS!"
ANd there's troutie, too! "I WENT TO CHURCH IN COLO SPRINGS AND ALL I GOT WAS AN ANAL PROBE, A BAG OF DOPE AND THIS T-SHIRT!"
lw
:lol: :lol: :roll-------- Wild Bill Clinton didn't inhale, and the leader of the biggest evangelical congregation in the U.S. didn't do the meth... So, we have a Leftist Dem (Clinton ) offering himself as the stud in an oral sex romp,,, and we have the Rightwinger Rev seeking out a crank ' totin guy fer sex.............. Hmmm now, seems as the elections draw nearer, we are seeing the parties put aside differences and 'work it'; together........ :wink: :wink: --------- Ahhhh, only in AmeriKKKa!!! sal
LW "I would so much like to show up in Colo Springs this coming Sunday morning..."
Hit the road now!
I doubt we'll be the only ones there.
We've got friends in Manitou Springs (//http://www.city-data.com/forum/colorado-springs/10822-colorado-springs-manitou-racial-climate-healthy-2.html) that have had it up to here with the "Glory" coming up from the Valley. Some of them will be there. As well as all the homosexuals they have been persecuting for years.
edit: Glory is basically correct. Although, I don't think the entire town was dedicated to Satan. That is a nasty rumor. We only gave Satan the amusement park (//http://www.santas-colo.com/) and the Cave of the Winds (//http://www.caveofthewinds.com/). Still you don't want to be scratchin around behind doors, nor looking in caves up in them thar hills.
Dobson has now resigned from Haggard's "restoration" - he just doesn't have the time for his old friend and former christian brother.
http://cbs4denver.com/topstories/local_ ... 83304.html (http://cbs4denver.com/topstories/local_story_311183304.html)
"REPENT HYPOCRITES!"
History repeats itself again...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Swaggart (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Swaggart)
Trivia
In 1988 rock musician Frank Zappa wrote a number of parodies about Swaggart's then-current sex scandal. On the album The Best Band You Never Heard In Your Life, "Lonesome Cowboy Burt" became "Lonesome Cowboy Jim", and "Penguin in Bondage" and "Trouble Every Day" were also rewritten. Also, the first track of Zappa's Make A Jazz Noise Here album includes a snippet from a show in Boston, on Feburary 20th, 1988, where Zappa informs the audience of "the good news today" that "Jimmy Swaggart is under investigation". Zappa's 1988 live recording Broadway The Hard Way includes a version of The Police song "Murder By Numbers", sung by Sting, and "dedicated" by him to Swaggart.
During the same tour, Zappa also rewrote three Beatles songs to satirize Swaggart. Norwegian Wood became "Norwegian Jim" [2], Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds became "Louisana Hooker With Herpes" [3], and Strawberry Fields Forever was rewritten as "Texas Motel" [4]. Due to problems securing the rights to the original Beatles songs (at the time when Zappa was releasing albums recorded on the 1988 tour, the Beatles copyrights were owned in part by Michael Jackson, who himself was satirized by Zappa in the song "Why Don't You Like Me"), these songs are not available on the regular Zappa catalogue, but audience recordings can be found on the Internet, usually labelled as "Texas Motel Medley". The lyrics to the suite can be found through the references provided.
Skinny Puppy sample his "I am clean" speech on their song "Hexonxonx" from their Rabies album.
Ozzy Ozbourne's song "Miracle Man" is about the Swaggart prostitution controversy. The song appears on the No Rest for the Wicked album, released at the height of the scandal in 1988. [5]
The Iron Maiden song Holy Smoke, the first single from their 1990 album No Prayer for the Dying, makes reference to Jimmy Swaggart and his 1987/1988 scandal.
In the Jerry Lee Lewis biopic Great Balls of Fire! (1989), Jimmy Swaggart is portrayed by Alec Baldwin.
See also
Christian televangelist scandals
LOL.....
quote ttst:edit: Glory is basically correct. Although, I don't think the entire town was dedicated to Satan. That is a nasty rumor. We only gave Satan the amusement park and the Cave of the Winds. Still you don't want to be scratchin around behind doors, nor looking in caves up in them thar hills.
After reading the Dobson statement above, I get the feeling that the evangelical powers who be will soon be attempting to hypno-motize holy-dude into casting out his dark, evil wishes. Because, you know that Holy-rollers don't believe in the notion of being born gay. But, holy-dude has already admitted to fighting this dark side since reaching adulthood. I'm guessing that many people don't think much about sexuality before puberty. So, holy-dude has been pretty much in the closet all of his adult life, imo. I wonder how the hypocrites will rationalize this fact into their fiction?
lw
I've been reading a little on the net today concerning republicans views on what needs ot be done ot salvage the party and I'm guessing the right-wing, evangelical faction of the republican party will now be relegated to the hypocrite fringe. At least for the time being.
Republicans lost key contests focused on gay marriage and stem-cell research and one of Bush's key spiritual advisor has proven to be all too human after all.
I doubt they will have much clout, now that middle america has taken notice of the state of the union.
lw
lw "I get the feeling that the evangelical powers who be will soon be attempting to hypno-motize holy-dude into casting out his dark, evil wishes."
My guess is: Deep in a secret room underneath the Air Force Chapel, a group of them will circle naked with holy-dude in the center, while they all yell, "Holy-dude, stop being gay!" (//http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Gay_Al%27s_Big_Gay_Boat_Ride)
:wink: --- "" Middle AmeriKKKa taking note of the State Of 'Da Union "" Hmmm now, Imagine 'Dat 8) :D :roll: ---------sal
Too Busy vs. Conflict of Interest
Just when did "the church" learn of Pastor Ted's blasphemy?
Could all of the early Haggardites been deaf, dumb and blind?
They knew from the beginning! They had to have. They condoned, hid and protected their pastor's acts. Did they extort money, power and position for silence? "If you send me a thousand dollars, I won't tell your wife" (//http://wallstreetjackass.typepad.com/raptureready/2006/11/pastor_ted.html) Would Ted have preached to his flock not the Word of God, but the word of the men that blackmail him? We may never know...or maybe we will?
Ripples expand.
Mike Jones (male prostitute-dude) stated in a radio interview that haggard was one of many members of the clergy he serviced but stopped short of names. Meanwhile another mega-church evangelical admits to being gay before he gets outed.
States hes been fighting this choice since age five. Kind of weird. Maybe I was a late bloomer, but I don't think I even thought about sexuality at age five??? Im guessing thats what made my choices easier. But anyway, its gonna be a hard restoration in store for this Barnes holy-dude.
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Pastor Resigns, Admits Relations With Men
(AP) ENGLEWOOD, Colo. The founding pastor of the 2,100-member Grace Chapel has resigned after he said he had sexual relations with other men.
Paul Barnes, who led the church for 28 years, told his congregation Sunday in a videotaped message that church leaders allowed The Denver Post to view.
He and his wife have two adult daughters.
"While we cannot condone what he has done, we continue to support and love Paul," associate pastor Dave Palmer said in a written statement.
Palmer told The Denver Post that the church got an anonymous call last week from a person who overheard a conversation in which someone mentioned "blowing the whistle" on evangelical preachers engaged in homosexuality, including Barnes.
Palmer told the newspaper he met with Barnes, who confessed. A board of elders held an emergency meeting Thursday and accepted Barnes' resignation.
"I have struggled with homosexuality since I was a 5-year-old boy," Barnes, 54, said in the videotaped message. "... I can't tell you the number of nights I have cried myself to sleep, begging God to take this away."
He described struggling with what he believes is the biblical teaching that homosexuality is an abomination.
Last month Ted Haggard, who founded the 14,000-member New Life Church in Colorado Springs, was removed as head of the church after a Denver man alleged Haggard paid him for sex. Haggard confessed to sexually immoral conduct.
And on a semi-sidenote: Notice how the Congressional Ethics Commitee handled the 'page/boy scandal'.... They decided to do nothing.. No censure, nada, zip, zero..... Oh well, guess that 'ole oxymoron "congessional ehtics" surely applies :wink: :wink: ---- sal
And da plot thickens, eh?
Sounds like fallen holy-dude #2 caught the gay virus early on.
Hopefully, evangelical scientists will soon develop a vaccine to be given in-vitro, eliminating the possibility that newborns will be subjected to even one unprotected whiff of the gay-infested air polluting our planet...
lw
That would be nice, but it can't be done. Man has no vaccine for Satan. See many of these otherwise straight, law-abidding, ministers are attacked by demonic forces, some as early as age five, temping them with such meth-fueled, homosexual pleasures, that virtually no man can resisit - Ummm - wait - I'm confused here.
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Preachers found logic in denial
Article Last Updated:12/16/2006 11:29:00 PM MST
The Rev. Paul Barnes and the Rev. Ted Haggard have asked their legions of devout followers to pray for them. The preachers have admitted to homosexual behavior, something that for years they railed quite lucratively against by calling it a sin and an abomination.
"I have struggled with homosexuality since I was a 5-year-old boy. ... I can't tell you the number of nights I have cried myself to sleep, begging God to take this away," Barnes said in a videotaped statement to the Grace Chapel congregation in Douglas County last week.
"There is a part of my life that is so repulsive and dark that I've been warring against it all of my adult life," Haggard wrote in a letter to the 14,000 members of his New Life Church in Colorado Springs last month.
In the wake of their reluctant public confessions, the impulse to ridicule these guys as venal hypocrites is irresistible.
In fact, Haggard's massage buddy, Mike Jones, and his publisher already are taking that impulse to the bank.
But as with former Rep. Mark Foley, who sponsored legislation to crack down on child predators on the Internet while he allegedly was sending salacious e-mails to Capitol Hill pages, there's more to the story of the outright duplicity of the pious ministers than just lurid material for book deals.
What we have here, according to the Rev. Kevin Maly, the openly gay pastor of St. Paul Lutheran Church in Denver, is a rare opportunity to see how some people try to cope with being gay and how they hurt so many people along the way.
He calls it "a teachable moment."
Homosexual ministers preaching that homosexuality is evil is not evidence of their rank opportunism or some kind of vacuous self-loathing, he said.
It's a desperate attempt at self-control.
"It really is a gestalt," he said.
"One of the functions of human language is regulation and control. There are people - and it may not be conscious for them - who are trying to control something within themselves by speaking out against it."
Ultimately, despite heterosexual marriages and preaching the message that homosexuality is wrong, they lost control.
"Sexuality is irrepressible," Maly said. No amount of denial or pretending can change things.
Sure, these guys were living a lie, but in their tortured psyches, becoming prominent anti-gay preachers made perfect sense.
It was a way to remind themselves not to act gay.
While evangelicals may differ about whether being a homosexual is a choice or a biological imperative, they generally subscribe to the belief that it's homosexual acts that are evil.
So the solution is to act straight and to condemn those who don't.
It's also no surprise to Maly that Haggard and Barnes chose the religious life instead of, say, law or business. Churches are safe havens for the exiled, he said, at least theoretically.
"Religious traditions are at their best when they are about bringing in those who have been shoved to the edges of society," he said.
All that implies that churches are inherently compassionate, welcoming places.
So it seems like two beloved evangelical leaders coming out of the closet would be such a dramatic turning point that reconsideration of the whole abomination thing logically would follow.
"One could only hope," Maly said.
He's not optimistic.
"If you look at the language used by Haggard and Barnes, they still view their same-sex attractions as evil," he said. "There's still this mistaken belief that one can change his sexuality if only one prays hard enough.
"I think what both of these guys are saying is, 'We were right all along, we just didn't believe hard enough."'
So the teachable moment may be lost, at least on the evangelical community.
Because while the two preachers have admitted to homosexual behavior, they're still dissembling as fast as they can.
They still can't embrace who they are.
Another one bites the dust.
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/10 ... etail.html (http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/10561636/detail.html)
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Pastor At Haggard's Church Resigns Over Sexual Misconduct
Christopher Beard Worked With Young Adults
COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. -- A pastor who worked with young adults at New Life Church has resigned after admitting sexual misconduct and other mistakes just weeks after former church leader Ted Haggard stepped down over sexual immorality, church officials said.
Christopher Beard, who headed the TwentyFourSeven ministry that taught leadership skills to young adults, resigned Friday after admitting sexual misconduct and other mistakes, said Rob Brendle, an associate pastor at the 14,000-member church.
Brendle said Beard told church officials about "a series of decisions displaying poor judgment, including one incident of sexual misconduct several years ago." The church said in a statement that the misconduct was with another unmarried adult several years ago. Beard, who worked with the church for nine years, has since married.
The resignation was reported Monday by The Denver Post and The Gazette in Colorado Springs. Brendle did not immediately return a call Monday from The Associated Press, and a residential phone number listed in Beard's name was disconnected.
According to the Church Web site, Beard has a business degree from Oral Roberts University and a Masters in Christian Counseling. Beard also worked at one of the nation's leading mental institutions as a psychotherapist before coming to New Life Church and TwentyFourSeven. Beard was also the Missions Pastor of New Life Church, and has led mission trips to 53 countries.
His photo and bio were removed from the Web site by Monday.
Church leadership asked its outside Board of Overseers to examine the "spiritual character" of the 200 staff members after Haggard resigned last month from the church and as president of the National Association of Evangelicals.
Haggard acknowledged he paid Mike Jones, of Denver, for a massage and for methamphetamine, but he said he did not have sex with him and did not use the drug. Jones has said Haggard paid him regularly for sex. Haggard and his wife, Gayle Haggard, are undergoing three weeks of counseling at an undisclosed center in Arizona.
Brendle said Beard discussed his misconduct during a meeting with the Board of Overseers, which is made up of four pastors from other congregations.
"We recognize there will be increased scrutiny of our church in the wake of the scandal," Brendle said. "We welcome that process in order to reinforce the high standard of personal integrity and morality that has characterized New Life's employees for 22 years."
The Rev. Ross Parsley, New Life's acting senior pastor, told congregants on Sunday that there would be changes in the coming weeks as a result of the overseers' investigation to restore integrity.
"The community deserves it and God demands it," Parsley said.
Beard was reprimanded by the church in 2002, when police came to break up a TwentyFourSeven training exercise he led in the church's parking lot involving fake assault rifles.
So, I'm guessing fallen holy-dude #3 has admitted to gay encounters before entering a Heterosexual Union in the Eyes of God. I doubt garden variety hetero-lust and fornication while single with a consenting unattached person of the opposite gender would knock the guy so far from grace so quickly...
I wouldn't want my children learning about spirituality and God from these Hypocrites-Whom-Art-in-Vogue....
lw
I was thinking the same thing LW.
"I wouldn't want my children learning about spirituality and God from these Hypocrites-Whom-Art-in-Vogue.... "
Nor firearm training. WTF?
"Beard was reprimanded by the church in 2002, when police came to break up a TwentyFourSeven training exercise he led in the church's parking lot involving fake assault rifles."
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See: Keep your jesus off my penis and I'll keep my penis off of you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2AqGh8-el0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2AqGh8-el0)