if you've read my other thread, you have an idea of what this is about already. The trip in discussion here was done with standardized 5x salvia.
I was in the middle of taking my hit(s) for a trip the other evening, and i noticed something, sort of by accident, that i found interesting and thought others on here who are in a similar situation might benefit from trying it.
It had been a while since i'd smoked anything (i don't smoke cigarettes and only occasionally smoke other 'herbs') and i was having trouble taking really big hits and holding them for the recommended 30 seconds. I was taking what would probably be considered half volume hits and holding them for 15-20 seconds.
I took my first one, closed my eyes and relaxed for maybe 30 seconds, and started getting some fairly vivid closed eye visuals of upside down disposable plastic cups of different colors dancing and chanting in different formations with a slightly taunting but still light hearted (a lot like in allice in wonderland) attitude toward me.
I opened my eyes to find things totally normal still, made sure i had my coordination, and picked up the bong and took another similar sized hit. Closed my eyes and relaxed for about the same time. The visuals got much more vivid as well as detailed and bizaare in formations. I started getting mild physical sensations in sync w/the visuals, where i felt like i was being jostled side to side by an impatient dance instructor trying to get me to keep up with the rest of the group. At this point, it was getting very interesting and amusing, but i guess because i was taking it in steps, i was somehow able to control it moderately by thinking about what i'd like to see happen. It usually wasn't exactly what i had in mind, but it atleast had it taken into account.
Opened my eyes again for a reality check. Things were a little out of whack this time, sort of animated looking and slanted, but i still had my motor skills and i was still aware of where i was. With my eyes open, i didn't get jostled either. So i went and grabbed the bong again, and hit it until it was completely spent. I put away my keys wallet phone and lighter so i wasn't holding anything in my hands or pockets, leaned back my seat so i was comfortable, and closed my eyes again. For some reason, i was seeing large flying slightly translucent cubes instead of The cupsat the moment, but they returned. They spontaniously changed into Peter Griffens (from Family Guy) and back, sort of by my wishes. By the time they returned, the jostling had become full fledged movement, and i was a part of their crazy dances and formations, going back and forth, side to side, up and down, flips, etc. etc. This platue of it lasted for a good 10 minutes or so (as opposed to 5 like it seems they usually do) , disappaiting very slowly with no feelings of alarm at the end.
I'm no salvia-naut by any means yet, and i think that if i'd gone straight to this final level of my trip without the progressions, it would have likely scared me pretty good. This might not be the most efficient use of the substance, as far as getting the most tripped out per gram, but i think its a good way to go for people who are pretty new to it.
doesnt sound like you broke through, sounds fun through!
your right, i did not. my ride on the wheel in the sky was my most intense trip thus far, but it was a bit startling. Next time i trip, i'll go another hit further than this time. That will probably be the last of my 5x, then i'll get on to the 10 and so on.
I think the reason i'm still liking salvia, unlike most people i know who have tried it (who think its evil and it should die), is cause i've been cautious to not push myself to far to fast. A friend of mine has worked up to 20x and really has a good handle on his trips. But thats all he has, so when someone wants to try it, they think they can handle this stuff and take massive rips of it. I've heard everything from straight up blacking out, to "I THOUGHT I WAS GOING TO BE SUCKED INTO THE COUCH FOREVER" to "THERE WERE DEMONS CHASING ME" (we still give him hell about this one... when he came out of it, he was sitting on the pavement in rain water, apparently in his attempt to cleanse himself of the demons)
but ya, like i said, a good starting point for people who are new to it and nervous. Kinda like the bunny slope when you go skiing :D
newgrower, has your friend that worked his way up to 20x broken through?
I started way too strong... the person who introduced me to this did not understand the drug at all, and it was introduced to me as something recreational.
I had a terrifying experience, but that was due in part to the fact that I had zero recollection of anything in my past (read complete amnesia for 5 minutes: no idea who I was, or that I had even smoked a drug. I was also recieving Zero legitimate input from my external senses)
You can take baby steps all you want out into the ocean, but at a certain point the ground will drop out from underneath of your feet. Of course I am new too all of this, I don't know if that analogy is apt - thats why I ask if your friend as broken through.
Just be careful with the 20X. It can put one into a level 6 real easy. :shock:
Interesting commentary there Layth: Let me ask you; when you say you had no recollection of your past, no rememberance of having smoked, and no awareness of external stimuli,,, How did you interpret any awareness at all?? Like, from where did you get the idea that your "you" had changed / was experiencing something out of the norm? I'm pretty sure I understand the point on the bridge of smoke where you were at??? I'm pretty sure I understand the place on that bridge 'o smoke that you found yourself to be though..... I often have no real awareness that of the "me" I normally am... Just a deep awareness that 'somethings different, I'm altered big time', etc.... I'd imagine most folks experience this same thing.... Even when I can't recognize the room around me, don't really have a certainty of who I am, I find that my "observer" is always there, always looking on, as if waiting for me to open up and gain some knowledge..... I've had times when I've gone "Oh yeah, it's me, I live in Florida, I just smoked some kick-ass Salvia and am off on a journey.... Then, the observer part of my psyche begins to allow me to process and internalize the experience in ways I can understand and relate to... I do wonder if Sally doesn't often catapult me into the realms past ego death so quickly that that's why I lose identity / have no rememberanc of past existence etc.... It's not that I see myself as such a brave psychological experimenter, but rather that Salvia, (for me) by its very nature just virtually instantaneously transports one past ego and self... What I gain from Salvia seems directly rated to the introspection and self analysis that comes while attempting to understand the mental processes and the whys for them, on the tailing end of the trip............................ sal