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Plant Matters => The Salvia Plane => Topic started by: gr8ful_greg on May 04, 2006, 04:28:27 PM

Title: Origin of civilization
Post by: gr8ful_greg on May 04, 2006, 04:28:27 PM
I have several theories of the origin of civilization. Has anyone ever tried to view the past civilization of Atlantis? Lemuria?
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Post by: lollipop guild on May 04, 2006, 05:07:51 PM
Scientific types say human civilization began in Africa.

However, the guild came down on a comet and landed safely on earth via tornado. The gals from the lullabye league made the same trip but finished the journey in the eye of a hurricane.

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Post by: TooStonedToType on May 04, 2006, 07:50:29 PM
If you mean viewed as in with salvia - No, nobody has ever tried that.

Otherwise, does this post have anythng to do with salvia?

I heard the orginal guild members were spores buried deep within a comet?  I think the tornado just scattered them around after impact. Otherwise many aspects of the legend make no sense - unless you take it all metaphorically.

Again, not salvia related, but very interesting.

-tstt
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Post by: gr8ful_greg on May 05, 2006, 08:25:41 AM
Yes, I meant with salvia.

The guild??? Never heard of this story before. Care to explain?
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Post by: lollipop guild on May 05, 2006, 09:42:46 AM
Well, we don't have time to lay it ALL out, but there is a self-tutorial on the subject....

First, grab a copy of the Wizard of Oz and Pink Floyd's, The Wall. Start the movie and cue the disc when the lion roars. Begin the first sally ceremony when Dorothy leaves the snake oil salesman's wagon. The rest should fall into place.

Btw, Atlantis went under due to the hurricane the lullabye league used for the final leg of their journry.

But enough about us. Why are you so gr8tful, greg?

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Post by: Amomynous on May 05, 2006, 10:15:28 AM
Quote from: "lollipop guild"First, grab a copy of the Wizard of Oz and Pink Floyd's, The Wall. Start the movie and cue the disc when the lion roars. Begin the first sally ceremony when Dorothy leaves the snake oil salesman's wagon. The rest should fall into place.

DO NOT DO THIS!

"Lolipop is obviously an agent of the Illuminati only pretending to be a guildsman. This is deliberate and blastphemous misinformation.

Every guild member knows that, in fact, Dark Side of the Moon must be used for this ceremony!
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Post by: lollipop guild on May 05, 2006, 11:33:10 AM
So, we finally manage to draw you out, eh, anon-anon-amomynous? It took awhile, but the guild chairman know you would eventually surface.

This planet is not ready for a proper oz/dark side/sally ceremony yet.

On the bright side, at least you didn't get into pre-show dosing specifics or the circufication of sacraments.....

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Post by: genocidalgopher on May 05, 2006, 02:05:32 PM
What is this.. Guild?
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Post by: TooStonedToType on May 05, 2006, 03:08:29 PM
"Dark Side of the Moon"

See that might work, but I've only heard Dark Star.  Which leads us back to the orgins of civilazation, pre-show dosing instructions and circusification in general and what salvia might show us.  Seems Sally thinks like god was bored and tired of living in its own mind or something.  Needed a diversion for its sanity or lack thereof so it created an illusion, which we are "stuck" in.  No mention of Atlantis or Lemuria, unless again they are some type of metaphore.  Glad to see this thread has gotten back on topic before I had to lock it.
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Post by: lollipop guild on May 07, 2006, 03:24:13 PM
Dark Star? A google search brought up a band called The Dark Star Orchestra? They look like a dirty-hippie cover band from here.

Now greg, we'd be gr8ful if it would pleaee you to guide us down that Lemurian trail of which you spoke.....

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Post by: TooStonedToType on May 07, 2006, 04:26:52 PM
Dark Star is just a song. I don't know what those dirty-hippies are up to with their note for note covers of improvisational music.  My guess is pre-show dosing of acid and mushrooms.  But then again reality as we know it was sung into existance.  At least that's what one guild member told me.

-Dark star crashes, pouring it’s light into ashes.
-Reason tatters, the forces tear loose from the axis.
-Searchlight casting for faults in the clouds of delusion.
-Shall we go, you and I while we can
-Through the transitive nightfall of diamonds?

-Mirror shatters in formless reflections of matter.
-Glass hand dissolving to ice petal flowers revolving.
-Lady in velvet recedes in the nights of good-bye.
-Shall we go, you and I while we can
-Through the transitive nightfall of diamonds?

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Yea Gr8ful, what is your impression of this "Lemurian" of which you speak?
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Post by: lollipop guild on May 07, 2006, 11:08:17 PM
quote from above:

-Mirror shatters in formless reflections of matter.
-Glass hand dissolving to ice petal flowers revolving.
-Lady in velvet recedes in the nights of good-bye.......

Its a good thing you brought this thread back onto the topic of sally, as we were getting ready to notify a moderator about posts gone wild.

And just what is it about diamonds that transvestites find so alluring? We at the guild have always been partial to rubies.

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Post by: boomer2 on May 08, 2006, 08:16:06 PM
Since the majority of life on this planet basically sexually reproduces in the same likewise manner, that tells me from what shrooms taught me that we are all of this planet.

As for McKenna and others who claim the spores came from outer space to  the earth, whether on a comet or not is bs.

  When my son was nine-years-old,  he explained it to me  perfectly. He said we are all already in the middle of outer space to begin with.

So much for that.

boomer2
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Post by: gr8ful_greg on May 10, 2006, 11:12:47 AM
Hey,

It's gr8ful_greg from the time of my life that I used to be a big dead head. Grateful-gr8ful... you get it?

People that believe in Atlantis believe it was based on another civilization named Lemuria. This is all theory though.
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Post by: lollipop guild on May 10, 2006, 06:31:40 PM
quote boomer2: Since the majority of life on this planet basically sexually reproduces in the same likewise manner, that tells me from what shrooms taught me that we are all of this planet.

There is a diverse range of reproduction methods found on this planet, both sexual and asexual. From simple cell division to gestation in womb and live birth. In between are creatures like bees, who are able to manipulate the gender of the queens offspring. Then there are the sexually viable hermaphrodites and those able to mutate gender at will...

I see earth's place in the universe as being comparable to any specific lake in Minnesota. After visiting the first, its not necessary to sample the other 10,000 lakes in the state to know most will contain fish, if not of the same species, at least similar.

Maybe you could help me understand your point a little better, boomer, with an example or two of reproduction methods which might be found on other planets and not earth?

greg: Big dead head, huh? You must be one of those smelly hippie types... Did you jump off the bus? Were you pushed?
Or did you just lose interest when Jerry died and the wheels fell off
that wagon?

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Post by: gr8ful_greg on May 12, 2006, 10:20:12 AM
lol, hippies don't smell... that's what sage is made for!  :lol:

BTW, one doesn't stop liking the dead. We just get older and get jobs.
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Post by: lollipop guild on May 12, 2006, 02:23:36 PM
Oops! Now we've gone and done it. The grumpy mod is sure to lock this thread now that its gotten so far off topic of all he holds dear.

What about salvia and the gr8ful dead, greg? (Probably a dumb question, but maybe it will keep the thread from being locked.) Doesn't the guy who used to play bass with jerry have his own band? Salvia trips are weird just like the dead music I've heard is/was/will be.

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Post by: gr8ful_greg on May 12, 2006, 02:47:45 PM
For non-dead heads:

In the middle of every Grateful Dead show was a cool musical interlude that was termed the name "Space". Now, the best way to describe this is a loose, trippy jam that the band does free form. Even being straight, you feel that your mind is going out in space. Even saying that is not doing it justice.

The first time I tried Salvia, I was listening to new age music and felt like a tree blowing in the wind where the wind was the music playing. Each time the music changed in tone I was gently blown this way or that. Too me it was too cool.

The Bassist, Phil Lesh was once quoted saying:
"I know, we'll go to the ocean and record the air there and then go to the desert and record the air there. Then, we'll mix it together!"
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Post by: TooStonedToType on May 12, 2006, 06:18:17 PM
Yea, Salvia and The Dead is certainly a worthwhile topic that could prevent most any thread from being locked.

I was wondering the same thing Gr8ful, why did you say you "used" to be a dead fan?  Did you loose faith or what?  You don't believe those rumors that Jerry is dead do you?  Have you tried salvia while listening to music?  Especailly live dead music?  Like when this "Space" interlude you mention starts?
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Post by: lollipop guild on May 13, 2006, 11:26:50 AM
Quote from: "gr8ful_greg"The first time I tried Salvia, I was listening to new age music and felt like a tree blowing in the wind where the wind was the music playing. Each time the music changed in tone I was gently blown this way or that. Too me it was too cool.

That is a pretty good discription, imo.

There is much synergy between salvia and music. Sally makes recorded music come alive, but even that is no substitute for partaking of this holiest of sacraments at a live musical event. Especially with a little 'lectricity throwed in for good measure.

Sometimes we find a crack to slip into, other times the band makes one just for the occasion.....

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Post by: gr8ful_greg on May 17, 2006, 08:17:55 AM
Heh, this thread is gonna get locked down.

I consider myself old now at age 37. Yet as far as musical taste, I still have a broad spectrum. Just this morning I was listenin to Widespread Panic and then flipped in my Disturbed CD. While listening to that, I saw Tool pop up on XM radio display and jammed to "Prison Sex" (nice jam, kinda sick when you think about it).

I don't get many times to jam out to The Dead like I used to since wifey doesn't like my tunes and jamming out to The Dead in rush hour traffic makes me drive too slow.
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Post by: lollipop guild on May 17, 2006, 11:35:58 AM
Maybe this will help. (If you haven't foundn it already.)

http://www.deadlists.com/default.asp (http://www.deadlists.com/default.asp)

Pick a date. Almost any date. Then stream 'em all day long on your computer......

A set of speakers helps.

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Post by: JRL on May 17, 2006, 01:12:53 PM
Hey 'pop, thanks for the link. I am listening to my first show, 11/21/69.
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Post by: lollipop guild on May 18, 2006, 10:51:09 AM
No problem. Give a listen to 9-2-83 in Boise, ID. (just downloaded one of the finest sounding audience tapes I've ever heard from the night in question.)

According to his book, I'm pretty sure Phil and Jill took their first driving tour across the US during this run of shows. Romance was in the air and he was on top of his game. Sounds like the whole band showed up to play in the capitol of the 'tater state.

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Post by: gr8ful_greg on May 18, 2006, 10:56:50 AM
I get blocked from my proxy at work. Checked it out from home and loved the quality! Brown eyed women from an old '92 show in Atlanta was great! Thanks for the link. I now have something I can listen to on Friday nights while I drink.  :shock:
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Post by: JRL on May 18, 2006, 03:34:57 PM
Isn't Phil's book a gem. Read it once for the story and again for the music in his writing. Long live Phillip Chapman Lesh!!

I will check out that show, though I am much more enamored of the years 67-72.
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Post by: lollipop guild on May 18, 2006, 04:07:53 PM
Late 60's, eh? Well then, check out 6-14-68 as well. Its a downloadable audience tape, (as opposed ot the soundboards which can't be downloaded anymore.)

I burned the 83 boise gig this morn. What a gem  of an audience show.

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Post by: Veracohr on May 19, 2006, 01:21:51 AM
Sorry, I can't help myself. :D

The origin of Civilization:

Sid Meier (//http://www.gamespot.com/features/sidlegacy/)