I have bunches of psychotria viridis, some other psychotria species, some mimosa hostilis, some mimosas and one I'm not sure of. The one I'm not sure of is alternathera lehmanii. It's an ayahuasca admixture plant but I don't know the active ingredient. I smoked a little of the leaves and seemed to get an interesting buzz. I doubt dmt is going to do that so its probably something else. I hope it isn't scoplamine but could be something new. Anybody know this one?
Stoney
Actually, the tropanes are much more likely than DMT in this particular plant. I used to grow it -- it makes a good house plant-- but I've never heard of a bioassay which would suggest the presense of DMT or similar visionary alkaloids.
No, I didn't notice any dmt myself but someone told me they thought it had dmt in it but that was just a guess on their part. Smoking it I would not expect to notice dmt even if there was some. I hope it isn't anything like scopolamine though there are lots of things it could be. The natives call it borrachero but they call lots of things that. It just means anything that makes you drunk. It grows quite fast but doesnt like cold too much. It would make a good house plant and put it outdoors in the warm months. Have you known anyone to conduct a bioassay on this plant?
Stoney
Quote from: "Stonehenge"Have you known anyone to conduct a bioassay on this plant?
I think Wyrm said he smoked a lot of it at one time....
There was a report or two about it at ayahuasca.com indicating that it was active, though not going into much detail as far as I recall. Very easy plant to grow and take cuttings from (just soak in water in a moderately warm place and it'll shoot out roots quick).
I am growing some Delosperma cooperi which is reported to have DMT in the roots. It is a hardy plant although does not like freezing temps or wet soil.
Apparently, you can get high simply by skin contact with the roots.
We will see.
Bongo, I never heard that. I have d bosseranum and was growing some d cooperii until it died. What I hear is these two are similar to kanna (sceletium) both the leaves and roots. I never heard of either having dmt. Where did you hear about that?
Stoney
Quote from: "Stonehenge"Bongo, I never heard that. I have d bosseranum and was growing some d cooperii until it died. What I hear is these two are similar to kanna (sceletium) both the leaves and roots. I never heard of either having dmt. Where did you hear about that?
Stoney
Actually, it was on the old SPF a while back in one of the threads.
Someone posted a PDF file concerning this and the anylasis of the plant.
Here is the link to the PDF files. http://trout.yage.net/sc/TNinfo.htm (http://trout.yage.net/sc/TNinfo.htm)
You need to view the "Trouts notes on some other succulents" file which is 1Mb in size. The Delosperma Cooperi information is in there along with a lot of other interesting stuff.
Hope this helps.
That's very interesting, Bongo. There is a lot of info in there. I notice he doesn't mention d bosseranum which is odd. He reports finding dmt by use of tlc but said not all samples showed signs of dmt. I suspect the dmt is in very small amounts and wonder if there is enough for it to be active. What I've heard about the use of d cooperii and d bosseranum is that they are used in much the same way as sceletium. Sceletium doesn't contain dmt that I know of and is chewed or smoked and called kanna or other names. There was a discussion about d bosseranum on the australian board a while back. If d boss or d cooperii were used for the dmt I would think a maoi would have to be employed and I haven't heard of one being used. Perhaps the dmt is in quantities too small to make much difference? I had heard alkaloids such as mesemberine were the source of most activity of these plants. Perhaps a. lehmanii has dmt in it as well as other compounds?
Stoney
I grow two varieties of justicia pectoralis, supposed to have DMT in it but I don't know. I do smoke the leaves sometimes, gives a nice stony head feeling, w/o electric tingles tho. No visionary stuff, but then I smoke tiny amounts. Contains coumarin, a blood thinner, and is good for healing cuts in native lore. I wonder if coumarin could be active smoked? Anyhoo, I like to smoke some with caapi. I want to make a brew with this sometime tho...
Not sure about that Stoney.
I did notice that the dmt band was detected only in certain seasons.
Maybe that is the key here.
I am sure I read somewhere else that a contact high can be obtained simply by contact with the roots.
As for the anyalysis, I am sure Winder would know much more about it.
QuoteI grow two varieties of justicia pectoralis, supposed to have DMT in it but I don't know. I do smoke the leaves sometimes, gives a nice stony head feeling, w/o electric tingles tho. No visionary stuff, but then I smoke tiny amounts. Contains coumarin, a blood thinner, and is good for healing cuts in native lore.
Interesting--- but am I wrong in thinking it's counterintuitive that a plant containing an anticoagulant is good for healing cuts?
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Stoney..Thanks for the advice on the M Speciosa.
There is a brief mention of d bosseranum in that pdf file on page 34.
He just says it has been found to be active like sceltium.