Hey all. I'm new to this forum, and to salvia.
First of all, I've yet to try it myself, but I'm extremely interested. I've done LSD and shrooms before, and my tolerance to most drugs is pretty ridiculous in general, but I've read tons of info about salvia over the past few days and I've heard that such tolerance shouldn't be taken as any indicator as to how it will affect you.
Anyway, onto my main question.
I've been combing message boards for HOURS looking for information about places to buy it online...I.E, who's stuff is good, who's is garbage. I apologize if this topic was already addressed on this board (think I looked through all of it), and I...Basically, it seems like everyone would be asking the same thing as me, given how rampant rip-offs, especially when it comes to things like this, are online. And I can't imagine why there aren't more postings and voluntary recommendations about it, since it's legal.
But is there anyone on this board who buys salvia from an online vendor, or who has bought from several and can make recommendations? Or if you're not comfortable with promoting said site for whatever reason, at least inform me if the stuff you got from them was decent or not?
I'm out of work and very broke at the moment, but I've got a little cash I can spend and a strong interest in salvia, so it's sort of a one shot deal to me until things pick up on the financial front. I'd hate to spend x amount of money on some garbage, have it not work, and be so put off by it that I lose interest.
SageWisdom seems legit, but their prices are also some of the highest I've come across. LadySalvia.net (I think it is?) and iamshaman.com have much better prices, but since there is such a vast difference between them and sage wisdom...You know...Don't know if their lower prices indicate a worthless product or not.
One last question...
My interest in salvia is not as a drug. I'm interested in it as a tool, so to speak. I have certain...Ah, words suck...Spiritual objectives, I guess you could say, that I feel it could help me with.
I'm seeking what would be a level 4 to 5 experience(s), and I don't know what potency of product is necessary for that.
Can you reasonably (smoke enough quickly enough without passing out or something) achieve effects of that potency from regular, unenhanced leaves, or do you really need to go with some kind of enhanced leaf or some such for that? I've read different things, and I'm looking for more input.
I don't know if enhanced leaves, etc, simply allow you to get there more quickly and easily with less work, or if it's more like weed...You know, you can smoke garbage all day, and you're not going to get as high as you will off of a little really good stuff. Any opinions will be appreciated.
Not necessary to say, just thought I'd throw it in here...But one concern of mine is that I wouldn't want to do anything TOO powerful right off the bat...My girlfriend's going to be my sitter, and she's much smaller than me...So if I got too incoherant right off the bat and tried to run out to my car and drive off (like I heard of one person doing) she wouldn't reasonably be able to restrain me. I'd like to do something that will get me where I'm trying to go, but in a bit more of a controlled way so I'm not fine one minute and totally gone the next.
Anyway, that's it. Thanks for takin' the time, and any response is appreciated.
-Luke
P.S. One of my concerns about the very few recommendations that I've read for this and that online vendor is that the one doing the recommending might be the owner of the site they're promoting. This is pointless, since anyone doing that isn't going to be concerned about ripping off one more person...But it goes without saying that I'd rather not get responses from someone saying good things about a particular site simply because they stand to profit from it. Thank you.
Welcome to the fourm. We don't allow vendors to hawk their products on this board, hense no recommendations. However, all you mention sell a fine product as well as many others. Ebay would probably be best avoided. Best to get yourself a plant and grow it. Try not to mention vendors by name in the future. If you are short on money you might try the trade winds forum right here.
It sound's like you've done your research anyways. Yea, sagewisdom is more expensive, but his reputation is beyond repute. Considering what he's done for the ethenogenic community (ie global enlightenment) many consider the "higher" price someone of a donation to the greater cause (did I mention global enightenment?).
I would recommend plain leaves to start with. Extracts are not necessary. Start slow and with the reverse tolerance you will get more sensitive over time. Don't rush into this.
"I'd like to do something that will get me where I'm trying to go, but in a bit more of a controlled way so I'm not fine one minute and totally gone the next."
That is not what salvia is about. Salvia is out there and gets you there fast with little control. If you think you are One who could benefit from salvia - you'd have better time spent controlling yourself than attempting to control (micro-dose) sally. - yes I understand there appears to be a conflict with what I say above about not rushing into this - it's a fine line.
PS: Your PS is exactly on point. It's a sad state of affairs for the money changers.
Greetings -n- Welcome to the forum: It's good to see that you have done some legitimate research into S.D.... I think that bodes well for you... Seems as the availability of Sally has increased; so has the amount of newbies that just run out and score some 10X-20X and use that as their introduction to Salvia Space.... Listen to what people say, in that you should most likely approach Salvia usage in small incremental steps... Personally, I would hesitate to suggest that you try a quid for your first venture, although some would say this is a good way of approach because the come on is much more slow and subtle and the effect lasts longer, thus giving you time to process what Salvia is showing you.. Yep, it's basically all anecodotal, but you will surely hear time and again that you should be prepared for the 'reverse tolerance effect'... In essence it's sorta like your ability to subjectively process and understand the Salvia experience becomes much more finely attuned after several Sally sessions; thus you truly can experience the 'less is more' effect as far as dosage is concerned.... Salvia is somewhat unique in that if you smoke her, you might well be surprised by how fast you achieve 'lift off'... By that, I mean that the transition period between being in your normal everyday reality, and then being catapulted into Sally Space can alot of times be measured in a less than a minute!!! (sort of similar to the time period one normally thinks of when a person shoots drugs, or smokes crack, ice or what have you... As far as vendors go... I'd venture to say that the greater percentage are pretty much OK... I guess it would be up to you to decide issues such as cost/shipping expense/packaging etc.... -------- To boil it all down, I'd say get yourself two ounces of plain leaf... Start smoking plain leaf... If you feel you are not getting as strong effect as you had hoped; you can always take your second ounce, and make up a 5X or 10X extract....... Once again welcome and I wish you Good Green Glow..... Do keep us informed as to your journey,,,,,,,,,,, sal
[quote="If you feel you are not getting as strong effect as you had hoped; you can always take your second ounce, and make up a 5X or 10X extract.[/quote]
How can you make the extract? And second, how can you control the strength?
Since you have found your way to these forums, AND are posting in the Savia section, I suggest you do your research....The info is really, easily available from dozens upon dozens of sites on the net.... If you are unwilling to do the research, here's a quick 'ghetto tek' to get you some extract........... Take your lightly hand crumbled Salvia leaf and put it into a glass container. Fill container with Acetone to a half inch over the Salvia.... Swirl around for 90 seconds.... Pour out greenish-black liquid into glass plate, leaving wet herb in container.... Do this 2 more times.... Combine the 3 amounts of liquid and soak up liquid with new Salvia leaf (not what was in container..... How to determine extract strength... Say you want 5X Sally Extract--- use 4 grams to soak/leave one gram to absorb greenish-black fluid......... BTW, try to keep acetone/Salvia solution out of light, as it may decrease potency........... goog luck--sal
Big thanks to all of you who replied. Your posts have been extremely helpful.
After some thought, I've decided to go with an ounce of plain leaf and a gram of 5x extract. If I'm particularly insenstive, and smoking the ounce over the course of time doesn't help enough with the reverse tolerance effect, hopefully the 5x will do it. I know that even 20x doesn't make it for some people, but this seems like a good place to start.
I very much like the idea of growing my own salvia. That would be my preference. But never having done it before, I want to give a try first. I feel a strong attraction to it, and I strongly doubt that I'll dislike it for what it is and does (even if it ends up being scary as hell), but I want to see for myself what it's all about first.
I've also never grown anything before, and cultivation of the plant is one thing I haven't read much about. I thought I read somewhere that it's not too hard to grow, but I've seen lots of posts about how many problems some people have keeping it alive. We'll see. If I decide I want a long term relationship with it, I'll certainly look into growing it myself.
For some reason it never occured to me that not wanting message boards to turn into giant salvia vendor advertisements was the reason I couldn't find info about vender legitimacy. Makes sense.
I was pretty 'noid about just buying from anyone, though, especially places with especially cheap prices. I went in with some friends of mine on some stuff (forget what it was called) a couple years back, and was terribly disappointed. I didn't know if salvia was something that particularly dishonest people would substitute with other non-salvia herbs, or if there was a problem with really low grade stuff being sold.
Anyway, thanks again for all the info. I'll be ordering it tonight, and I imagine I'll get it sometime early next week. So I'll probably try it for the first time somewhere around then. And if not for whatever reason, whenever it feels right. I'll let you all know what happens. Later
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"For some reason it never occured to me that not wanting message boards to turn into giant salvia vendor advertisements was the reason I couldn't find info about vender legitimacy. Makes sense. "
Yes, you wouldn't believe the mess it can turn into. This board is dedicated towards spirit plants and their uses - not selling stuff. Boards that are run by people selling products (which are most of them) tend to stiffle information as to the proper uses, as they want to stay clear of ambiguous laws and continue to profit from these plants.
"or if there was a problem with really low grade stuff being sold"
Not really. You hear things now and then, but generally, most salvia sold is coming out of mexico from only a few sources. Because salvia often doesn't effect a person the first time they try it (reverse tolerance) many people assume the stuff they got was bunk, but thats not the case. They just need a little knowledge and patience.
Quote from: "senorsalvia"Combine the 3 amounts of liquid and soak up liquid with new Salvia leaf (not what was in container..... --sal
Why don't use the leafs from container? Just dried them up, and then soak them into acetone extract.
I think that soked leaf have more "space" for holding extract and it is free from some vaxes, fats etc.
Vaxes smaxes
it's about use
you'se won't know the differense
if'n you'se smoke it.
No really
You make a good point
In one way
soaked leaves hold "space"
and be free of ?
all that is extracted
But is what is ?
is all that have been extracted all bad?
Some say no
Some say yes
Add back in at least a portion of the orginal plant
can't be bad?
Some say yes
Some say oh!
It's true
Just bee you.
Oh, oh, yes, and welcome to the forums .
I see you are from Croatia.
So don't let my English scare you.
As I'm often too stoned to type.
I mean what I say,
if you interprete correctly.
If not, feel free to ask questions.