I like to always keep alert about new drugs that I can try so I play with Erowid when i'm bored. I fell across a plant called Datura today and started reading experiances.
What I discovered was that it was so incredibly powerfull that it seems unreal. I'm just wondering if anyone here has tried this because it seriously seems like something to leave alone (and I never think that).
My brother-in-law tried datura once in his youth. He hasn't told me much about the trip other than it was 3 days and quite unpleasant. He wouldn't do it again. I think most people should leave this one alone.
It's a nasty plant and can kill you. Some people like to take small amounts but the "buzz" is more like a delirium. There are so many pleasant plants, why use something like that?
Ya I pretty much decided not to ever do it after reading 2 experiances on Erowid. Now with the comments you guys have made it's concrete. My friends are another story, they all want to try it and are attempting to obtain some seeds asap.
I've told them it's super poisonous and even dosage isn't told on Erowid for this reason. I'm going to try and stop them for sure, but they are their own people and their decisions are final.....
I have nothing against any plant, but when I find datura growing on my property (it's quite an invasive weed) I pull it up without second thought. I wouldn't want my small children to get into it.
I've had toe (a type of datura) in ayahuasca ceremonies in Peru, but it's always been in very safe and controlled circumstances. This is definitely not a plant to play with.
Your friends sound foolish. In the future you may think twice before mentioning any poisonous plants you find out about while playing at Erowid.
Well usually I am just as foolish (to speak on behalf of my friends), but this one is just a bit over the top. I couldn't help but show them it either the experiances were just to unreal and kinda funny to read (but not to experiance i'm sure).
Might I suggest reading Castenada's books and see for yourself what she is. I do not like that plant and would not even dream of messing with her. I agree, your friends sound very foolish and b/c of this, have a good chance of dying from it!
I have to agree with Too Stoned and Stony in that this plant is not something you'd want to mess with... Yes, I admit to doing it 3 times in my past life... Hey what can I tell 'ya except that it is definitely not a high, not a rewarding experience, but more truly a nerve poison and definitely an unfun deleriant.... I don't find fault with either you or your friends curiosity though... I for one, have no axe to gring with the reason a person chooses to use, or not use a plant/chem/whatever.... Some will seek solitude and enlightenment, while others seek hedonistic 'bang 'da gong' experiences with substances... 'Tis not for me to judge, other than I do wish all a safe journey :wink: ------------- sal
took atropinbe tablet once in a lab, not much effect as it slows down gut metabolism/activity so absorption is real slow, was only low dose, to measure effects on muscarinic nervous system. noticed a slight daze afterwards, not really pleasant, numb if anything, but almost frustrating as produced a kinda confused and lost feeling, like you have no idea what is going on for a while whille u stand there dazd...
personally, not my type of plant to experiment with, in same category as nutmeg as a deleriant... can go into a fevorish delerium if ya smoke shoots off sprouting potatoes apparently, havent head anyone trying it directly...
but it does have very real potential to kill if dose id too large, and from plants it is hard to titrate as is highly variable
if your friends insist on trying, do so as a tea form, and sip slowly, not balls to the wall or nething, slower abs has upside of a less peaked/toxic peaked experiment, but the downside of increased duration of effects,
definitly donot reccomend its use tho...
on another note, Datura metel double purple have the most beautiful flowers! so so alot of Brugmansia's (tree datura)... powerful beauty
Quote from: "visionarybear"on another note, Datura metel double purple have the most beautiful flowers! so so alot of Brugmansia's (tree datura)... powerful beauty
They are pretty. Here's a picture of
toe I took in a shaman's garden in Peru
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To think that something so incredibly beautiful could hold such infinate power. I almost want to just eat the whole flower just looking at it. What trickery this wicked plant displays
Quotecan go into a fevorish delerium if ya smoke shoots off sprouting potatoes apparently, havent head anyone trying it directly...
Visionarybear>> I think that was me. I wrote a blurb on it on the old SPF. Very nasty poisoning indeed! Keep away from those sprouts! And keep away Datura as well, or smoke small amounts with ganj, as the Saddhu's do.
It is a beautiful plant and very vigourous, I've got my dad addicted to growing them. Quite strange actually, maybe it's the narcotic smell from the flowers or something.
when I need to be reminded of what NOT to do...I go and read all the Datura reports.....this is also a plant/drug which can change your brain chemistry forever....it you have a lose screw or a cracked filtering mechanism.....Datura will break them, and they might not get fixed....Be very wary and careful.....some folks don't come back...
Quotewhen I need to be reminded of what NOT to do...I go and read all the Datura reports.....this is also a plant/drug which can change your brain chemistry forever....it you have a lose screw or a cracked filtering mechanism.....Datura will break them, and they might not get fixed....Be very wary and careful.....some folks don't come back...
Maybe it changes your for the better? Hahahha just kidding I'm definatly never going to touch this stuff. Thanks everyone for you input about this I now have a decent amount of points to hopefully stop my friends from doing it. I think death or life with a perminently changed brain chemistry should do the trick (I know that it would for me at least). Thanks again!
-Matt
I remember someone saying here once that a GOOD datura trip is one where you end up in the hospital.
Too bad Raver isn't here any more. If I remember correctly, he had a penchant for solenacae at one point in his distinguished career.
I knew a few kids who got together and made a big pot of datura tea using roots, leaves, and seeds. After a few draughts, they went completely insane for more than a week, and they're still "not right". One of them reported to me that at a point in his trip he experienced a feminine entity demanding to know why he came, and when he didn't have an answer she became very disgusted with him. He also mentioned visiting his dead grandfather while his body wandered down the highway and into traffic (he wasn't hit). All of them have suffered subsequent mental illness and rather severe methamphetamine abuse, forcing me to sever my associations with them.
I suggest you print out this thread and show it to your friends, tell them you understand them and respect them but that it's in their own best interest to find other sources of amusement than preparing datura brews, 'cos it sure isn't fun afterwards (or so I hear).
Datura isn't all bad, though, I've heard it's good for asthma if smoked.
You'll want to check that out first before you try, though.
One should not make a tea, only start by smoking leaves and flowers. Some are allowed to experience this plant some are naught(sic). YMMV
Jeez, one of the friends of mine that actually wants to try it has asthma....I will do my best to keep them from trying it in the most repectfull ways possible. If however they decide to go against my wishes I will destroy/dump out the method they choose to consume it (if i'm around). I wish I would have never been curiously browsing the vaults of Erowid.....
P.S.
QuoteOne should not make a tea, only start by smoking leaves and flowers. Some are allowed to experience this plant some are naught(sic). YMMV
I'm not really to sure what this means or how the smoked experiance differs from the ingested....if you would ellaborate it would be much appreciated thanks.
-Matt
well...
smoking dhatra herbage is (as with the smoking of tabac) prolly not very ummmm "efficient" as much of the alkaloid is destroyed during combustion...
that said, the alkaloids which do survive burning are well absorbed through the lungs (tho' there may be an optimum pH, one supposes)...
since the "drug" in the smoke is well absorbed (compare the "onset" time for pot ---> smokin' a joint vs. eatin' a brownie), you can notice the intoxication as it develops behind each "toke" & sorta titrate yr level as you go along (& you sorta gonna hafta quit when you can't figure out how to work yr lighter any more)...
drinking a tea (from leaf, flower, sed, or root) of "jimpson weed, or eating some of it, or even smearing your body with "flying ointment" --- well, it takes quite a while to come on, and you prolly don't know for sure if that first dose was enough for one person, or for ten... and if'n ya get impatient & take more ("hey man, i don't feel anything yet; let's drink the rest of the teapot..." ---> let's just sat that it's usually a VERY VERY bad idea, mmmm?)
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me, i sorta want this CNS to last for at least "three score and ten" years, & if ya start really playing with datura (especially if you haven't a clue) - well let's just say that i try to be cautious when messing with poisons...
i mean, i may have some "poisons" in my collection, but jus' dam' careful, mmmmkay?
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ymmv...
When I was a kid they sold Asthmadore(sp?) prolly OTC. It was in a tin like Nestles Quick and was meant to be rolled and smoked. It was made from belladonna I believe, the archtype of this plant group.
Ingesting several large gel caps of it would bring on delerium and hallucinations. One friend took it at school, was sent to the principals office, asked for an ashtray and put out his thumb!
He was luckier than some, he just ended up in Juvinal Hall, quite a few others ended up in the hospital. My smallish dose had my fucked up for a couple days. I found nothing enjoyable about it at all.
So the onset is much faster with Datura and the effects are pretty much the same it sounds....is it deadly smoked like it is when consumed? Also do you know if it still causes permenent brain alteration when smoked....sorry for all the questions, but I like to know a lot about drugs for some reason, it just intrigues me.
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You know, if these reports are trying to scare people from using daura species, they should be saying things like:
"The Ohio teens, most of them boys, used one called Datura inoxia, which has effects similar to marijuana."
That's funny. I've never heard the effects of the
Solanaceae compared to marijuana before...
Thats a Brugmansia versicolor or hybrid thereof. It won't set seed unless you have different cultivar next to it or hand pollinate it with a different cultivar.
I happened across this old thread and thought I'd add this pic of Asthmador ciggs label-
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I'm not quite up to snuff on my alkaloid effectiveness but this reminds me of the old coca cola/cocaine ads.
Yeah, some of that old patent medicine was truly whacky. They had stuff with lead and mercury in it. That's a nifty looking label, kemp. I bet it's worth something to a collector.
Yeah it is a nifty label... I only wish it was mine.
I guess I didn't make it clear, I stole/acquired the pic not long ago (somewhere on the web) and just thought I'd add something to this thread :)
That's cool, it is a nifty label. Anything put out on the web is fair game, isn't it? I think copyright law has gotten out of hand in a few areas. People want to have a lock on everything. People try to copyright the alphabet every year. They call it the "mickey mouse law", every few years Disney inc lobbies successfully and has the copyright law extended even further
As far as I was concerned you could still buy something quite similar as a smokable medicine.
There's a lot of fear among the members here about Datura and Brugmansia. That, to me, doesn't mean anything. I have been growing nightshade species as a collection for years. Datura is dangerous, but you would have to be either bold or stupid to die from it. Brugmansia is considered safer, though I'm not sure why. I think it has a different concentration of alkaloids in it.
You can always do the alcohol extraction, or make a smoking blend with datura. Just shade dry the leaves, make sure to have a lot, and grind them up. Then you have a smoking material that is homogeneous in potency.
Don't eat, especially seeds. Tea can be dangerous too. It all depends how much you put in. Though, I would say get used to the potency of the dried and chopped leaf before hand.
I do not condone any use of this plant. Just don't get caught up because teenagers are getting themselves killed. Wait until you have significant entheogenic experience.
Quote from: "Amomynous"I've had toe (a type of datura) in ayahuasca ceremonies in Peru, but it's always been in very safe and controlled circumstances. This is definitely not a plant to play with.
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I know toé is also called floripondio or floripón, and it's quite a dangerous bardo you get into, besides, the killer dose and the active dose are very near, and as you can never know how much escopolamine is in each flower you can over the top with a trip that is more often than not described as a baaaaaad trip, doesn't taste nice and leaves you pretty blinded for some days, being this the least potent of all, i would want to keep away of stronger solanaceas as well..
i know of a guy who was convinced that the train was made of chewing gum as it sped towards him, and one who was as sure that the knife in his kitchen was a pen that he used to write in his hand, but nothing serious happened to the second one.
I hope people listen to your words, adidas.
daturas not all bad.
It CAN be used by very careful, smart folk.
What can be gained from Datura not available by other means?
And is the risk worth it?
I tried a tea made from a creamy orange brugmansia flower once, about 12 years ago . . . I was a kid and didn't have any idea how bad of an idea it was. A friend and I brewed up a tea with two large flowers. I drank a gulp, and my friend did as well. He commented that he was getting immediately high, and that it was cool. I relaized something was off, adn went to the bathroom to make myself puke. I walked about 10 feet, and fell over. I woke up strapped to a table and catheterized.
Sounds like fun, eh?
As far as the trip, it was like a wave of fear, and thena true hallucination, like I was seeing an octupus fluying above me. Then you realize that you are staring at your foot, adn there is no octupus. You panic bc you have TOTALLY lost control, and you feel horrible, and then you are in it again, completely lost in a 3 minute wave of madness. No spiritual aspects at all for me, no religious symbolism or meaning inherent in the experiance. It was just like chancing death to sleep while awake, and then still be tired.
Mmmm sounds as tho there are braver or maybe more foolish folk than me on here. Ive never tried it but have grown plenty, its an easy plant to grow but does need frost free over wintering to make it get huge.
One interesting fact is that in the UK during the plant collecting boom in victorian days women used to literally dip the flowers in there cup of tea to send them into a stupor. Every part of Datura is toxic even the pollen.
Howdy,
This is my first post lol.
I actually did datura a good few years back.
It was something....
I boiled 2 whole pods of seeds, that is about maybe 1000 - 1500 seeds total.
The resulting liquid was very bitter, i didnt drink all, but the dose i took was insanely strong, maybe even past overdose level.
I lay down and waited for the high, nothing really came, I got the urge to urinate so i got up to go the the bathroom, (nothing came there was just the urge to urinate) I couldnt walk properly I stumbled my way there knocking against the walls. This commotion woke up my parents, so my mum came to see what was up, I tired to tell her hey I just woke up sleepy and woozy and stumbled but I promptly discovered I could not talk. my tongue was heavy heavy and I slurred badly.
From here is where the trip went insane, I weaved in and out of hardcore delirium, Had deep conversations with some of my plants, My parents carried me to the hospital because they were frightened (and rightly so) The doctors there had no idea what was going on and assumed I had a mental breakdown.
We came back home and they supervised me for the night, Throughout the night I kept hearing voices calling from outside of my room, Saw odd things floating by but I slept through most of it.
By morning I was sort of okay, well stoned out of my mind but no or very little delirium.
We went out for lunch and while eating the food, I half drifted into a delirious state and could see the people who were preparing the food, I drifted back to normality and a few mins after, lo and behold one of the delirium induced food preparer girls walks out of the kitchen.
This high lasted for about a month. (this high had absolutely no pleasure to it, it was a feeling of not being there, like your consciousness was scattered in far away places) It was very hard to pretend to be normal, but i think I adapted well enough, even had some major presentations at work to do in this state.
I didnt have any internet access at the time, so i couldnt really do any research, most I heard were vague rumours about the plant before, Strangely its only after you hear the horror stories and about all the people who went insane from using it.
I am thankful for the experience though, I think I have gained a lot from it.
I can now easily adapt to fast changing stressful situations, my mind is more open and creative as it seems I not really thinking in a confined scope.
I dont have a faer to face things head on anymore.
It took me about 2 years to get back close to normal. The high subsided in about a month but there were subtle things and always some slight delirium reamaining for the remaining 2 years.
To have your reality challenged so drastically is an experience I am glad for because I learnt from it and am pretty sane now.
But I wont do it again.
I have the plants growing in my yard still, my mum uses the flowers for prayer offerings and stuff (no consumption)