Hello. I'm interested in using Salvia in shape-changing rituals, as such I'd like to become a dragon in the other plane.
Would salvia be useful for this purpose? Or am I looking for some other Shamanic plant?
I'm not familar with shape shifting rituals. However, salvia can cause ego loss to such an extent one can shift into even inanimate objects...or at least subjectively feel as thou one has. Using some sort of ritual approach may help focus your thoughts, but salvia is very difficult to control and unpredicable.
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It depends on the method you use. Smoking puts you in the realm of Elemental Air: the realm of mind and intellect {the human spirit}. Using a tincture or chewing leaf puts you in the realm of Elemental Ether: transmission/vibration/sound {the soul, if you define soul as a spirit-body that transports the human spirit out of the body}. Smoking it dislodges your spirit from your soul, which is what causes the psychological dissociation that people speak of, and puts people in external objects {i.e., no soul to carry the spirit out of the body means the spirit must find another material body, even if it's just the side of a building or a couch}.
This is why the Mazatec shamans discourage smoking divinorum; it only results in madness. Smokers see the barrage of confusing images and are terrified because they're trying to find their way back to their soul. You don't want to leave your body without being centered in your soul. Chew it or make a tea or tincture from it, and you'll see your soul/be centered in it before you leave your body. I steep 3 tablespoons of crushed leaf in some red wine for 12 minutes {after bringing the mixture to a boil}, then strain it thoroughly and hold sips in my mouth for 30-60 seconds before swallowing. Doing it this way takes me somewhere that smoking it can't, without the visual hallucinations, disorientation and horror {not any less intoxicated; just an easier transition, and longer trip}. You could use 6 and go further, but you might want to work your way up from 3 {I've done 4, and that was a pretty hefty trip}. I use the premium Mazatec foliage from iamshaman.com, because it's both cheap and potent.
As for the guy talking about dragons, what is your trip with that? Just curious; I used to be into that.
Quiding SD, or doing it via a tincture, does slow down the take off on SD, but it also elongates the trip too. That can be bad or good. To each his/her own I suppose. One usually does it via tincture these days.
However, smoking SD extract is one way to shape-shift into other creatures or things. One has done plenty of that before too. I have many trip reports about such blogged about the net.
http://www.elfstarstudios.com/sm-realm.html (http://www.elfstarstudios.com/sm-realm.html)
By the way, on one trip, where on took a combination of ethocin and DPT, one did turn into a dragon, as well as a maiden. On ana-huascas I have also turned into other people before. :shock:
http://www.elfstarstudios.com/ana-realm.html (http://www.elfstarstudios.com/ana-realm.html)
Glad to see that I am not the only one Mykayl, I am glad that you also interact with Sally this way. I was beginning to think that I was the only one here that preferred her this way instead of smoking. On shape shifting, one can do this even without the assistance of plants, just it is easier and a lot less work. To me, I love the plants, but do not neccessarily need them to go off into that world nor does anyone for that matter. Eventually you will understand what I mean and no I am not referring to Freebies.
Right on! A lot of people are into the quick hit to the head, but coming from 20 years of experience with entheogens, I can say that it's definitely not the way to go if one really wants to learn anything of lasting permanence. Trauma kills the present; one only learns from trauma in hindsight, and only what one needs to do to avoid trauma.
I agree on the shapeshifting part. Once a person knows their soul, they can shift into that awareness as a matter of will. I'm in that state in 90% of my waking consciousness {mirrors throw me off, and socializing with some people for work purposes makes me ground in a human body-image, but that's about it}.
Zedrov y bogat ko vam {health and wealth to you}
You are a soul with a body and not a body with a soul. The term "your soul" therefore is incorrect :P . You would be better off learning to Astral Travel to change your soul form. The reason being your conciousness is in control during Astral travel and is much harder to control with Salvia. The true shape of the soul is like a gas cloud and you can change it into whatever you want. You can also change your surroundings. But this all takes practice and time to learn. I have been Astral Traveling since I was 7 and am 34 now and I have only once changed my complete surroundings by thinking about it. My favorite thing to do when out there is fly through buildings at high speeds. Once I flew right straight into the ground.
Chris W: Maybe that's true in your Judeo-Christian influenced understanding of spirituality, but not in traditional shamanism and sorcery.
Before modern Christianity grafted it's own false meaning onto it, soul literally meant "body" or "containment"; either a literal, flesh body or a spirit body, which in most animist cultures is an animal spirit one is born with. In the spiritual definition, the soul is an image which the human spirit utilizes as a tool for individuating from material forms when it leaves the body. People who leave their body and find themselves in a wall or a couch or another person have been separated from their soul; i.e, they go into an external form because it's the only way they can maintain individuated consciousness.
What you refer to is your imagination, based on your preconceived notion of what a soul is. If you don't first know what animal your soul is, then there is no real way to leave your body voluntarily; you have to be on some drug that can force your human spirit {your ego, or conscious will} out of your flesh by overwhelming your brain with sensory overload. That's why people see what they do on SD; a person finds themselves out of their body sans a soul, so they drift around trying to find another embodiment, and are confused by all the images they see as they pop in and out of other people's bodies, experiencing the phantasmagoric, unconscious images residing within their brains. I don't believe you've ever left your body voluntarily. That would require first knowing what animal spirit is your soul, then knowing whether or not that animal is a trickster {i.e, capable of appearing as other animals; traditionally, that would be the bat}.
As for your notion of what is "astral", astral means "of the stars"; i.e, a light image or apparition. The soul is the etheric double: the body of transmission. What other people see when you project is an apparition created by the etheric double after interacting with a living person: a projected image of either your human memories of fleshly existence, the memories of the fleshly existence of the animal spirit that is your soul, or some combination thereof. If no one saw you out of body, then you didn't really astrally project. But don't believe me; study etymology, and the basis for Western Elemental symbolism in Greek philosophy. There you will learn that essence is a quality discerned from experience, not a preexisting "energy". Matter {existence} follows form {potential}, and essence {conscious discernment of forms} follows material interaction; that concept is based on earlier animist concepts of reality, along with the idea that spirits must be fed {i.e. interact with living matter} to maintain a "disembodied" existence. The belief in OBE consciousness is an extension of animist/totemic belief, and I don't see anything in your beliefs that would allow you to objectively experience an authentic OBE of the willful variety.
REAL shamans and sorcerers always have a reputation that precedes them; people see them when they're out of their bodies, interacting with living people in various stages of apparition, and doing things which have an objective effect of healing or destroying. What you've described to me doesn't sound like something a person would see while voluntarily projecting; it sounds like some video-game fantasy notion of what you would expect to see and experience. I don't know ANYONE who actually projects out of body that conceptualizes it in terms of accelerating or deccelerating within a time/space continuum, because travel is instantaneous. One sees oneself in animal spirit form, then one sees an environment unfolding around them. There is no "travel" in the material sense you're describing.
Drugs can't get you there, and neither can simply imagining it to be true. There's a process that 7 year old children certainly don't have privy to, because they haven't reached the levels of mental and emotional maturity that are prerequisite; they haven't fully individuated yet. These are things that can only be learned after one has become an adult; i.e, one has reached the age of procreation {if going by tribal standards}, and has a fully formed ego. Even then, it takes years of preparation before one can learn to voluntarily project out of one's flesh body, because one must attain what people into Transcendental Meditation call the 4th state of consciousness, which is beyond normal waking consciousness. Ecstatic trance is not something that can be achieved on drugs; it's a heightened state of consciousness, whereas drus produce a diminished, dreamlike state. Drugs only show you what's in your head, or by extension via the collective unconscious, what's in other people's heads. That's a rudimentary type of OBE, but it's not astral projection. That's why Hyakytaki can't move past agnosticism and psychologcial rationalizations--he hasn't had any experience outside of drug stupor that would indicate a tangible existence of spiritual concepts.
I know these things because I was raised in an environment of traditional sorcery. Anywhere you go in the world, regardless of the language, it's the same belief. As for age, I'm 35. That single year may not make me more informed than you, but my lifetime of training certainly does.
For an example from my own experience, one night, I left my body and found myself in the room of an old woman with buzzed hair, wearing blue and white striped pajamas, in a hospital-style bed, with some sort of oxygen equipment on her face {a breathing tube from an oxygen tank attached to the nose, as one would wear if one had serious lung disease or a collapsed lung}. Being the type of sorcerer I am, I proceeded to attack her, as it's my job to strike the final blow of death to people who are unnaturally hanging on. She freaked and tried to push me away; I left and returned to my body, knowing that my work there was done.
Three days later, I saw the same pajama-suited woman on the news, in her railed-bed with her breathing tube, claiming that a person with my description had entered her room at night while she was sleeping, mounted her and tried to strangle her. She literally believed that a living, flesh person had entered her room, that she had fought him off, and that he had jumped out her window while knocking over some vases. The police reported that there was no evidence of entry, no physical disturbance, and no exit through the window. The intact window had an undisturbed internal lock on it, the vases and other allegedly-disturbed items were unmoved and intact, and everything had cobwebs and dust on it because her caretaker hadn't hired anyone to clean the place in months. Imagine that; a woman whom I had never physically seen or met claiming that she had actually seen me in her room the same night that I had been there in my etheric double. A few weeks after that incident, I found out that she had died a few days after the TV interview.
REAL OBE has social consequences, whether malevolent or benign. Anything else is just a fantasy, exacerbated by false belief. Until people started seeing me out of body in my early 20's, I made no presumption that any of what I was seeing was real or valid; neither should you.
did you ever read any Seth material????? He is a spirit that was never in human form at all aside from occupying the body of Jane Roberts and writing whole books on the nature of our reality.
My beliefs are beyond any religion or shamanism and therefore I wont preach anything or say that my religion is correct. I do believe in the Holographic Universe theory "science" however
I leave my body all the time without drugs or anything and here is how I do it.......
when I awaken sometimes early in the morning I will lay on my back and allow my body to relax and just sink in to the bed until it starts vibrating and then I relax it more. Then I can just get up and be out of my body altogether. When I do this I have full awareness of the whole process of my body falling asleep and theres no lost time. Also the way way I started doing OOBS was by learning to realize I was in a dream when I was having one.
also who are you to say what other people can or cannot do based on your beliefs???
or what a 7 year old can do that learned to stop his nightmares by learning he was dreaming and therefore controlling it???? My mother taught me that and that is what started me in the right direction for being able to do Out Of Body Projection.
Also one more thing.......
I always try to stay out as long as possible but I always come back to my body naturally without the need to go finding some animal.
Everyone leaves their body every night but the trick is to know it and have complete awareness. The hardest one is to project from an awakened state and that I wasn't able to do until I was about 11.
Jeebus will kick both of your asses.
-TM
hmmmm your lifetime of training started in your early 20's ???????
and you are beyond me??????? I highly doubt it.
you dont know what I have done or seen.
Is that sulfur I smell?
also go read some Edgar Cayce books if you want to learn about dimensional travel. He is a PROVEN healer that uses the knowledge from the other dimensions. He has healed thousands of people while in a trance and it has all been documented and proven. I have never heard of any Shaman healing thousands of people all over the world.
while a lot of Shamanism is corrects about the other side dont beleive eveything you read.
You are connected to your body and leave it every night but just don't remember. You never have to worry about finding your way back because it happens automatically unless something happens to your body like death from a heartattack or something.
By telling the others that they could die from not being able to get back was a way for them to still hold their places of power.
I have come acrosss Evil entities in my travels but they could not harm me. They are at a lower level and thrive on fear of newly departed souls. They can torment you all they want but you would get bored of it and just leave.
also one more thing on the spirit having to attatch itself to other things........
Everything in this reality is all connected already. Every atom no matter how far away can communicate to tohers instantly and this has been scientifically proven recently. Theres a mechanic that shifts his conciousness inside cars that he works on to diagnose them instantly and faster than they could hook up a diagnostic computer. he is no "Shaman" but he is PROVEN
Jane Roberts was no Shaman either nor was she into anything occult.
Yep, I think I smell sulfur.
Soneone must be off their medication again.
Considering the path this thread has taken, I wonder why it is not moved to The Mountain........ Hmmmm, I'm smelling the drifting aromas of burning sage and copal :wink: -------- sal
lol Avery
another thing.....
Just because the shamans deserted Salvia because they were looking for some animal doesnt mean it isn't usefull to people with other skills. And just because they went to other dimensions with the use of plants doesnt mean they know everything about it.
I want to see Cayce go up against L Ron Hubbard. That would be a good fight.
-TM
send me your money
You made the mistake of admitting that everything is connected, so now I'm going to tear down everything you've said. In the most primitive beliefs, people believed in duality of the soul--that we are born into the world with an "animal twin". We all have two spirits {one good, one bad}, and are born exchanging spirits with an animal that keeps us accountable to the balance of nature. Take for instance, me: I was born with my "bad" human spirit, and the "good" spirit of a bat, which keeps my "bad" spirit in check. Likewise, a bat was born whose good spirit dwells in me, and my good "human" spirit dwells in the bat, to keep its bad spirit in check.
That's the oldest recognizable totemic belief, found in Asia and all it's outlying Islands, dating back longer than 60,000 years, before the Australoids migrated to Australia. They brought that belief to Australia with them, and paid heavy consequences for letting go of the old ways; a large part of the Australian ecosystem collapsed because some of the tribes started eating fox bats, resulting in vast desertification. Many fruit bearing trees in Australia are dependent on fruit bats for their propagation. They even have myths to commemorate this cycle in their history. Many of the tribes couldn't stop eating the bats, and farmers were killing them to prevent crop damage, so the modern Australian government stepped in to regulate what are now becoming endangered species there.
Every culture in the world has gone through this cycle of ecological destruction, famine, etc. by adopting mythological/symbolic beliefs and sterile, isolative notions of spirituality that allowed them to justify reckless abandon. Look where it's taken us--to the verge of global annihliation, as we have polluted and overpopulated the planet. That's not balance or truth; that's isolative denial and disease. What you speak of is part of the problem, not the solution. Animism is an instinctive observation of the nature of reality; not some conjecture made up by religionists to keep people isolated in fantasy.
As for deriding shamans for giving up drugs to seek a higher reality, curanderos are not true shamans, which is why they hang onto their drug culture. Drugs only take you within to find the animal spirit that is your soul {i.e., the descent into the Underworld}, which is the first step in shamanism and sorcery; if they don't do that, they're worthless, and have no use in either Path. If the drug makes you leave your body without a soul {like smoked SD does} it's worthless, because it takes you away from yourself.
True shamanism and sorcery are devoted to healing vital humanity{shamanism} and destroying worthless, isolated, destructive people who are wasting space and resources {sorcery}. To put it in Judeo-Christian terms, we're the angels and demons who oversee the process of human life and death. If you don't submit to healing, that only leaves one of two choices in this day and age: be destroyed, or become a pawn in global healing and destruction. It's not a matter of belief; it's a matter of nature cleaning up the mess. Why do you think the last six years have seen massive death tolls worldwide? Do you think that pattern is going to end any time soon? Do you honestly believe that it's all just the tyranny of men and random natural occurences? All around the world, members of both Paths entered into a pact at the beginning of the new millenium to concentrate their efforts globally. No more piecemeal healings or curses; we hit everyone equally, as a collective entity. Our goals are to bring the human population down to a manageable, non-threatening level, and reestablish the values of totemic tribalism. Not because it's a religious belief, but because it's what Mankind must do to survive nature's backlash.
You're a puppet whether you like it or not, because your beliefs don't put you above the herd; if you haven't been plagued by sorcerers and their ilk, it's only because you serve a purpose to one side or the other by remaining healthy. Everything you say or do contributes to some domino effect leading to order or chaos, and either way, you're just as easy to manipulate as all the other rubes. Some people will read this thread, realize that I have the upper hand, investigate the facts for themselves, and make responsible choices that will immunize themselves from manipulation by higher forces. Other people will take your side in denial, and themselves remain pawns. Either way, we still win, because you're still a pawn in our game, inciting others to action. If you weren't a pawn, you wouldn't have bothered to start this argument with me in the first place.
And to make a correction, you tried to tell me that I was wrong first; I never would have brought any of this up if you hadn't opened your big mouth. It still comes down to objective experience; I'm only recognized as a sorcerer by others in my tradition because of objective manifestations of my power--not because I believe in things that can't be confirmed by the observations of others. As for when I started my training, that was at age 13, when I became a man in my tribe. If your mother really taught you stuff at age 7, it only goes to show how irresponsible and fictitious modern society has become. All this stuff is tied in with rites of adult passage; no 7 year old has the physical maturity or cognitive ability to be a man or woman, or do manly or womanly things.
Just because some book tells you you can get out of your body with some hokey visualization doesn't make it so. Whether you got it from a book or your mother got it from a book is irrelevant; it's still just a bunch of bullshit that people write to make money, and to keep people preoccupied with their fantasies. Sorry, but you've been flim-flammed, and you're still talking out your ass without first researching the origins of modern spirituality. Do that before making any more objections, and you'll find out that life doesn't work the way you think it does. That, or you can stick to your guns and remain a pawn; either way, I win, because no one really cares who's right or wrong in an argument that YOU started.
Well then, they have since found out the Earth is round. Have you ever studied Quantum Physics??? And yes everything is conected and empty at the same time. Even lead is mostly empty space. I dont follow any religion. I have had thousands of oobs without trying to take peoples money or call myself a sorcerer. To me the word sorcerer is like Merlin or something out of one of those fantasy books. I have never tried to hurt another spirit wether they be in a hospital bed or not. Maybe your purpose being there was to help heal her and you took it as having to snuff her out. I go to dimensions your sorcerers are scared of because I know my powers on the other side and I also know no matter how hard I try to stay over there I always come back to my body.
Well I am sorry then if you think I was just trying to argue with you but you pushed your religion basically on him like your way was the only way. And that is valid why??? because some jungle people in the woods taking entheogens and basing the laws of reality on what they saw in thier visions????
I dont need an animal spirit because I am eternal and formless. I have been here since the begining of time and I will always be till the end of time. Time itself is also eternal and an illusion. The realitys and dimensions stretch out both ways to infinity as does space. This reality is formed by concious thought just as dreams are. I also lead other lifes in other dimensions similar to this one. My body in this reality is made up of billions upon billions of other spirits that form the cells of my body. They communicate instantly between another to perform various bodily funtions. They also communicate with everything around them and everything that exists now and has ever existed or ever will exist.
and of course you have a good self and a bad self. You see without bad then good could not possibly exist. or is it the othe way around??
Whatever, Chris; get over yourself. You still have to eat, breath and shit, and at the end of the day, you still have to answer to a higher balance and order, just like me and everyone else on this ball of dirt. No one here cares about your little dick war. You've tried to twist everything I've said, and you've done nothing but make an ass out of yourself, along with insulting a variety of ethnic groups.
I've read Seth books--it was a bunch of charlatan New Age hype gleaned from books by the channeler prior to the appearance of "Seth", or to the publishing advances she got to write such garbage. I've read the Holographic Universe--one man's simplistic model, but way too ubiquitous, vague and isolated from intuitive knowing to be of any use in actual practice. I still can't walk on water after reading it, and neither can you. I don't know anyone who's read it that can do anything particularly magical or noteworthy, other than philosophize in coffee shops about how divine and enlightened they are, despite their lack of financial and social success.
If you don't think a shaman can heal multitudes of people in a variety of unseen ways by projecting healing directives into the entire human collective, then you know nothing about magic, spirituality, or any of this quantum physics stuff you rant about. It's all just a big pretense you use to argue with people about things you apparently know nothing about.
As for your comment about the word "sorcerer", it comes from the Latin root sors, meaning "fate". Fate is the way in which one will ultimately die, unlike destiny, which is the potential manner in which a person might live. A sorcerer is a fate-weaver; i.e., one who makes others die by means of magic or poisons, as an occupational practice. Modern science still uses Latin as a technical language, so I guess words like "sorcerer" aren't as outdated and antiquated as you like to believe. It works in a circumstance where other words fall short of defining what I am and do, and it has a depth of traditional meaning that gives it weight; that's all that counts.
I don't believe you can astrally project, I don't believe that you're as old as you say you are, and I'm not even going to bother to point out how many times you've contradicted yourself while trying to one-up me. You can go on believing that you're some omnipotent, ubiquitous being that knows no limitations of space or time, but as for me and everyone else that has a brain, we'll continue to acknowledge the objective reality of life, despite any differences we might have in defining and manipulating its complexities. If people believe differently than me, fine; they'll continue to do what they do, and I'll continue to do what I do. In the end, it doesn't make a shit's bit of difference.
Others can read the thread and decide for themselves who started what, but I have nothing more to say to you. Morvesruk bas pojyras vam dyna, posle yeg delas vam ko dopuskas to tugedej.
I dont care if you dont believe me or not. I could have just made it all up to get you going . Just like I dont believe you are a true sorcerer or Shaman. WTF would a Shaman need a computer for when they can just go pet their animal. Why would a sorcerer be arguing with a petty human like me???
Maybe a sorcerer that reads Alister Crowley books or something
Quote from: "senorsalvia"Considering the path this thread has taken, I wonder why it is not moved to The Mountain........ Hmmmm, I'm smelling the drifting aromas of burning sage and copal :wink: -------- sal
If this comes to the Mountain, I will lock it, and end this cock-fight :lol:
I have a way to end it and for the sorcerer to prove himself........
If you are so skilled and your way is so much better and right and I am wrong then why dont you mix yourself up a potion and kill me tonight with your sorcery. If I don't come and type again in this thread tomorrow then everyone will see just how skilled and trained you really are. If I do come back then everyone will see you are a phony and full of shit.
That's the most retarded challenge I've ever heard. Life isn't that easy for you, me, or anyone else, Chris. There are many other players in this game; I don't always have control over who dies based on how angry I'm feeling on any particular day towards a single person. Things don't even work that way for you, in your omnipotent ubiquitousness. Even a chess game could tell you that much. You may not die today, but you definitely will pay in the long run; whether or not I cast a curse on you has nothing to do with it, because you're already in a self-destructive tailspin, and that's what has me laughing the most. The mysterious words in an obscure language could be totally meaningless, but you're still going to suffer in your isolated little shell of a self. You brought the problems in your life on yourself, Chris; you don't need any help from me to crawl into your grave.
Despite all that, you can still change, become productive and live a long life. A curse is only a test that the target either fails by remaining worthless, or passes by making a life-affirming change that immunizes them from the "poison". I can't predict who will die, or when; I can only testify to what has happened as a result of my work, as an example of what IS possible. Either way I still win, because whether you live or die, I had a hand in manipulating your objective life circumstances to my benefit. Regardless of all your posturing, the reality is that I drew you here by setting the stage, and you provided others with amusement as you tortured yourself with your own inner struggle to comprehend the subject matter. No matter how moralistic anyone might be, everyone loves to watch a self-important asshole fall apart in public.
You've even admitted that you're a troll, which makes it all the more amusing, because it further supports the fact that you stupidly played into our game. Most people reading and contributing to this group are themselves magicians of some sort, who cast spells to gain information and knowledge concerning their choices in life {at the very least, they call out for it as a petition to higher forces while on SD}. That ultimately makes you the pawn in our information process, because by providing a hostile antithesis, you allowed me to share information that others can hash out in their own thoughts. If they come to a different reality model than I have, great! Regardless of the outcome, my work is done.
Knowing that, why are you still here? Do you enjoy being a mindless little meat-puppet for twisted fucks like myself? There isn't a single thing you can say or do to shake me or make me doubt myself, so if you have so much power over your own life, why bother? After all, that is what this comes down to, Chris; whether or not you have power over your OWN life....
There's plenty of people in the entheogen-taking community that feel similarly to how I do {i.e., have totemic beliefs, are animists, practice shamanism or sorcery, or are apprentices}, and like me, they're laughing at you for trying to argue something that really isn't that important, and laughing at how stupid your words come across. You still haven't said one thing that shows you have any understanding whatsoever about what I'm talking about, and half of what you've said actually supports my reality model. I read the books you're talking about years ago, and many more since then that go way beyond them. These days, that's the first level of training: learning what other people think, learning the science that can explain what we do, and learning to distinguish between the lies of mainstream religion/spirituality/philosophy and the cold, hard reality of sapient evolution.
I really wish things were as simple as you think they are, but regardless of any abstract concepts of spirituality we might possess, or how many vague, all-encompassing notions of physics we might understand, we're still individual flesh bags fighting to maintain our individuality in the face of society trying to tell us that there are no lines between the individual and the state collective. I started at 13, when I was mature enough to begin distinguishing fact from fiction; if what you say is really true about beginning at 7, then it fully explains why you've held on to unrealistic paradigms for so long. If you can't prove the validity of your knowledge and experiences to yourself by observing objective manfestations, what good are you to yourself? Your beliefs are nothing more than a straight-jacket, assuming that anything you've written about yourself here is true.
I don't believe that anything I know is valid until I can see objective results; THAT'S why I didn't believe that I could literally leave my body until my early 20's, despite myriad experiences that might have been OBE's before then. If other people can't see it or at least intuit it to be true, it isn't real. Without the contrast of others, we have no standard by which to measure the validity of our knowledge; no way to distinguish fantasy from reality.
Whether or not I attacked your beliefs in defense of my own is irrelevant; anyone who reads your first post can see that you're a fake fuck trying to start an argument, so you got what you deserved. I believe your sentiments went something like, "I can fly through buildings at high speeds! Look at me, puny mortal, I'm Superman!" I'm sure everyone else here picked up on that sentiment.
If you want to continue to look like a dumbass, feel free; I'm not going to waste any more of my valuable time playing your silly game with you. Having the last word isn't going to impress anyone here that you know anything about life, so get over yourself. No one is going to think you're dead and that I'm right if you don't respond, because no one here really cares. Hell, I don't even care. You should just leave it at that, and get on with your pathetic life.
lol you sure love that self destructive talk huh?? Sorry bro but I dont have any problems in my life because I think positively. The power of positive thought creates your reality. Reality is created from concious thought.
from now on just have your animal contact my animal
Man, you leave a thread for just a minute and look what happens. I'm locking the thread as its going too far from what it was about. All opinions are appreciated - feel free to carry on amongst yourselves.