i found this in my old e-mails, thought i'd post it for nostalgick porpoises...
7/9/01
Those posh cunts at Erowid won't publish my Dragibus report - you'd better have it:
I am fortunate enough to have in my possession 6 of these remarkable plants, 2 of the willow-clone variety & 4 of the leadman strain...
Obviously I cannot go into any detail about where you may procure your cuttings from - as there is a reasonable amount of fuss about this wonderful plant at present...
I have opted to give it the nickname 'Dragibus' (the few of us currently propogating & investigating this plant have agreed to give away no details as to its true identity - in this way we hope to keep any unwanted government intrusions to a minimum... Look at the problems facing poor old Sally at the mo')...
I birthed the nickname 'Dragibus' after my first incredible trip, of an intensity that not even a creative psychotic on a DMT/Salvia combo could imagine...
I hope that my report (which I believe is the first to be published outside of a disscussion group) will give people some idea of the amazing scope for personal & social reform that this plant engenders.
My method of ingestion was simple, avoiding the small spikes protecting her delicate stalk - I plucked 11 leaves straight from the plant and laid them out before me...
I ate the leaves straight down, this was my 6th experiment and by now I am completely in love with her extraordinary taste (when consumed fresh)... somewhere between... nope, its utterly undescribable - non-defineable even through reference & comparison... something else entirely (just like her effects)...
So, I now enjoy her taste (while some find it unbearable) and I have no problem chewing one leaf after another, until all are consumed.
30mins later I notice the first alerts, brief flashes of white noise accompanied by a quick 'shudder' of the visual field...
These flashes increase in frequency until they are occuring on each of my heart beats (which are like thunderbolts to my ears)...
This off/on flux builds some sort of a resonance which begins to linger between the beats... This resonance slowly builds in volume & frequency until it seems to actually affect the vibatory pattern of my immediate surroundings...
Things begin to shudder & shake, seeming to gradually dissolve into each other - leaving a nothing that is at the center of everything that was... Just this big black nothing which is all that exists... all that is...
This all happens reasonably quickly (10mins in general)...
In my first experiments I seemed to bypass this stage completely, only with practise have I begun to keep some semblance of awareness whilst there, however I can't do anything with it beyond observe.
Then come the revelations, the visions...
I personally often find a huge snake-like dragon emerges from the void (hence my choice of code-word) and takes me on a journey, actually guides me! through all sorts of fantastic otherworld landscapes... The meaning of these journeys for me (and me only - you should hear what happens to some of the others) is some sort of multi-perspective education...
Any 'otherworld' I visit seems to be a twisted variation on my interpretation of 'this (real) world'... always educating me by taking me outside myself and showing me, not necessarily who I am, but how I percieve the world - how I apply my personality to my surroundings... how what I think is what I am, what I do...
The best thing is - the dragon is getting easier to control, where he takes me (and what we do there) actually (normally within a week) effects itself in my normal consciousness or my surroundings...
I have had complete strangers walk up to me and repeat the words of strange alien creatures whom I have conversed with in the Dragibus realm!!!
I have seen weeds in my garden die after assaulting them by blowing fire from my dragon over them (this was an OEV that happened in my garden - two days later, the weeds were dead)...!!!
The visions normally last 45mins to 1hr before fading into a very mellow body buzz lasting perhaps 2-3hrs...
This body buzz stage is also fantastic, I often keep fairly active with yoga & stretching - I find this aids my memory of the experience (?!) as well as my integration of any lessons learnt...
Btw, I can often visualise the dragon leading the energy flow round my body for a few days after the experience... most inspiring!
I have given you a very basic idea of the essence of my experience with this plant, if you want to find out more you should check for disscussion groups - maybe ask around some forums...
I will not give you any information directly (other than code-worded descriptions of its phenemology) untill we have established a firm code of practise & fully investigated the bizzare effects of this plant...
I apologise if this frustrates you, please know that your time will come if that is the way it should be - I whole-heartedly believe you will find us if you need to... I leave you the word 'Dragibus' as a start point...
If not, be patient, when we are ready - when SHE is ready...
We shall unleash the Spirit.
******
just in case it happens again, Dragibus is just a joke, it's not real...
honestly.
(sorry, can't help micelf)
You've been gone awhile. But we've ALL determined it best not mention dragibus or any of its active constituents by name. Please consider deleting your post. I know all the stuff about censorship and I was one of the worst offenders posting photos of curiosaine crystals, trip reports, extraction teks etc.. But I think its for the best.
I wasn't intending to kick anything off, just posting it so those who remembered could laugh... if your serious about me deleting it and i'm not just getting you wrong, then i'll do so next time i check in, don't wanna go causing a hoo hah hoop lah-di-dah...damn.
is this material still secret to a small number of persons? i've heard references to it before and assumed it was a nickname for something well-known, not hidden...i must admit i am intrigued...
why no references to it on the forums? i don't remember a discussion of it being had...
please give some details of the discussion about the material, if not the material itself...
We at the dragibus liberation front, say there's no hiding the truth any longer! I shall tell all the source for the devine dragibine, just as soon as I'm down from it's horrible grip........sometime tomorrow. Stay tuned! We at the DLF will not be silenced! Strange senses of Orwellian pride to our comrade at farms, Psilly for speaking his magical mind.
(cough) Uhm under threat of expulsion from the DLF, I've been informed by it's unoficial oversight comitee that all affects of dragibus are placebo therebye from here forth the revolution will not be forumized. All ingredients shall be re-de-re classified.
All future inquiry's shall be forwared to www.dea.gov (http://www.dea.gov)
Thank you all for participating. Leave a message after the beep and speak clearly into the microphone.
hey cen, well, now we've established the thread may go on, and that americans can do sarcasm (hehe, sorry)... I'll try an answer a few of your questions:
the material is still secret to a number of small persons, yes.
the discussion around the material tends to consist of gutteral growls, high pitched spastic beeps and throwing crap at each other.
hope i've been of sum assistance.
LONG LIVE THE DLF.
I can't believe it's all just a stupid joke!
You guys really had me going!
You say " that isn't for you to decide, plants are for everybody" then, those that are aware of the Drag situation are declared to be "greedy fucks".... Lemme put it this way.... Do you not know of countless instances throughout entheo history where the witch doktors / shamans / etc have closely guarded their hard won knowledge, and desseminated same knowledge as their customs and the spirit led them???? You don't see some shamans down on the banks of the Orinoco river just brewing up big pots of Aya juice and calling all the people from throughout the neighboring forest area to participate in a big blowout.... The practitioners of various entho rituals have a history of applied discernment in letting loose the 'secrets'... They strive to give knowledge to those they truly feel are ready for and will truly benefit from such spiritual awakening.... Nobody here in the modern society is suggesting we all just leave some coke,heroin,LSD,Aya etc laying around on a coffee table for whomsoever might decide, on a lark, to indulge in... There's always a trace of the 'holding back' in the ethno-world..... Might I suggest you temper you obvious enthusiasm with a dose of mindful and probative restraint???.... The entheo path is one of earned knowledge, and soulfull seeking, not of demanded enlightenment :wink: ---- BTW, it should not take anyone much insight to glean the truth that nobody appreciates being called horrendous names, nor have their characters besmirched 'ala, greedy fucks, assholes and the like"..... Please remember that diligent concerted research and mindful effort will be needed on the path to enlightenment :) :)
To quote Dr. Leary: "Dragibus causes rage and insanity in those that know not what it is"
I can't believe it's all just a stupid joke!
You guys really had me going!
Easy on the profanities, boy.
I can't believe it's all just a stupid joke!
You guys really had me going!
Are you threatening us?
I can't believe it's all just a stupid joke!
You guys really had me going!
I can't believe it's all just a stupid joke!
You guys really had me going!
Well, we are allowed to curse, I guess. But you have to figure out then, if you want to be taken serious or not. Boy.
I can't believe it's all just a stupid joke!
You guys really had me going!
Dude I'll tell you what, no one at this board responds to bullying. If you chill for a while someone might let you in, but we've been burned before.
I'm sure you understand.
I do actually understand, and that statement right there proves your not the asshole I thought you were.
Posts are being edited, I'm shutting up. Sorry for perceiving the situation in the most negitative light...
Sound good?
A recipe for bhoring:
Take half a pound of dragibus flowers and crush into a container. Agitate with a clique, add beer and leave to stew for a few days. Once things have got really nasty strain into a jug and serve.
Mmm bitter.
I might not be the asshole you thought I was, I might be an entirely different asshole.
I'm just a pink rhinoceros
ain't very many left of us
since we all got hooked on dragibus
but da harder dey come
da harder dey fall
one and all......
free the dragibus..
lw
Damned if'n there's not sumpin serously wrong with me, but I love this place!!!!!!!!!!! :P :P :P ------
The real magic is to make those uninitiated decide it is really real........ {Harry Houdini}, maybe 8)
QuoteI might not be the asshole you thought I was, I might be an entirely different asshole.
Is THAT a threat???
Perhaps I should not have edited me post...
This is interesting... http://www.spiritplants.org/phpbb/topic920.html (http://www.spiritplants.org/phpbb/topic920.html)
Is anybody going to PM me?
As soon as I get that PM, I'll edit my post FAST!
This such a funny joke :wink: HAHAhahahah!!!
Dude, when did you have your humor bone removed?
It is funny.
I know it's just a joke now...
You guys sure made it sound real tho...
Who told you that?
Alot of people...
Is that incorrect?
Well now we are right back where we started no?
Why dont you guys just tell him what it is? Hes gonna find out.
Eventually, everyone does.
LOL Naw, jrl. We ain't back where we started. The new guy might be, but it appears we have learned quite a bit about nube-dude, eh?
lw
another day, another lightbulb moment
QuoteWhy dont you guys just tell him what it is? Hes gonna find out.
Eventually, everyone does.
I could post all the info about it I know... but I'm tryin' to complie with y'all and keep it secert.
QuoteThe new guy might be, but it appears we have learned quite a bit about nube-dude, eh?
No way... I've learned alot, I think I even know the source the plant.
There's a link in the tradeforums with some pretty interestin' info in it...
If you don't tell me I'm just gonna keep posting about it and it's gonna draw more attention to it...
I edited all my other posts... and will edit this one as soon as I get a PM.
As moderator of the Entheogen Law forum, I guess it fall to me to chime in here. You long time folks know full well that it has been discussed many times in the past concerning the implications and legal ramifications of 'D'... Now c'mon folks, don't make me go all restrictive... We've got a nice little niche here in cyberspace, but what happens if some jerk troll gets the notion to rat us out to the U.N. Psychotropic Commission, huh??? You all know they have the legal right to swoop in and take possession of every reference to 'D'.. Then they'll sure as Hell supeona anyone remotely connected... I'm guessing here, but I'm prettty sure they could hold anyone without charge, as long as they want. They'll just lump it all in with the whole terrorist thing and justify it 'cuz some of the genetic material for Dragosine Hydrochloride can be found in the middle east.. Doesn't take much of a plant biologist to make that jump. Then, where will we be??? Rotting in some governmental facility getting waterboarded is my guess.... How would we prove the that DRAG has not been traded for cash / weapons of mass destruction etc..?? We can't disprove the Taliban has access to DRAG profits.... This is a slippery slope I'ma tellin' 'ya.... I'm in communication with the Entheogen Review and The Council On Spiritual Practice as we speak. They're trying desperately to put together enough documentation for a full on press on this issue through the International World Court... I'm asking you all to be cool and await that court decision. You all know full well that if the court rules against DRAG, the appael would take another 10 years of effort... You all know I am against outright censorship, please guys n gals, don't force me to remove every single reference to Drag, please don't do that.. The loss of such anthropological wonderment, is a horrible thing to contemplate....Keep it on 'Da Down Low eh????
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?!?!?!?!!?!?!!??!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!
JUST TELL ME!!! PLEASE!!!!
Your tellin' me it's illegal to TALK about "dragibus"?????
What the FUCK is going on? This is some weird shit y'all....
If you would tell me what's up, I can def. be cool and wait...
If I had any idea what the hell you were talking about... I'd be on your side.
How can keeping this from everybody make it better?
Esp. people who really care about ethnobotanicals like me...
sal: China is the real problem right now. They have been clamping down on many sources of ethnobotanicals during this run up to the olympics in Beijing. When things get dry some peeps get twitchy lips. And you never know what kind of stoopid shite you might read on da net.
lw
Whoooah, good thinking there; 'yer prolly right.... Best to go inscrutable imho............
I think it is a good idea if we put this convo here to a more secure server. Maybe totally delete it. Why take more risks?
??????????????????
I've setup a script that will run through the forum database and overwrite each post related to dragibus using the most secure NSA erasure algorithm... so that even if they do a low-level check of the hard drives, they won't find a thing.
If need be, I can run the script on a moments notice.
Senor, please keep us updated with any info from The Council & The World Court.
Will somebody tell me what the hell y'all are talking about?
Is it illegal to TALK about Dragibus?
Quote from: "Teotzlcoatl"Will somebody tell me what the hell y'all are talking about?
Is it illegal to TALK about ********?
Talk about what?
Its not illegal to talk about dragibus. Matter of fact, ain't nothing illegal about dragibus at present, and we aim to keep it that way. If everyone would just shut their pie-holes this might blow over.....
lw
I will... and have edited all my post.
Somebody just PM me and I'll delete all my posts...
But I'm VERY curious... so I'll keep posting until I find out.
OK, OK .. granted; there isn't a definitive legal ruling anywhere that I can find.. I'll give 'y'all that.. BUT!!?? Does that mean we just parade around in public with our entheological pants pulled down??? For an entheologigical substance that is active in a nanogram level!!!??? {thanks for the chem reminder JRL}... Do we push on?? Is the time right for another awakening 'ala the 60's????? Or, do we accept the status quo??? I honestly feel that enough hints have been put out on the net that "D" will, in fact , be the reason the W.O.D. grinds to a complee standstill... Even though I hesitate in saying this 'cuz of the possible reprecussion.... """ALL Hail 'Da Drag""""............ 8)
Sounds good to me!
hey, teo...
I just googled your user name. Ever done that?
lw
I wonder what vision one sees when confronted with unvarnished reality??? Guess it's a 2 edged sword..... 'Course then again, I've always been a proponent for self delusion and the like!!... Question: If the mirrors' reflection is unblemished, and the visage is still unclear, doth one cry out to the Heavens in anguish and despair, or doth one merely keep scraping the mirrored surface until a workable reality becomes visible...??? ........ sal... {on the road to Shambala) or, at least to the nearest supply store :wink: Once again, gracis on 'd head 'em up....
Teotzlcoatl: Please stop editing your posts. It only makes the whole thread confusing when you wipe out what you said and completely change it. Also, don't go and delete all your posts as you have said you would, for the same reason. If you continue to do that (make the threads incoherent by excessive editing) something may be done about it.
he doesnt know any better
really he doesnt...
as anyone on the nook sab or edot can attest
peace
Quotehey, teo...
I just googled your user name. Ever done that?
LOL. Ya I have!
QuoteTeotzlcoatl: Please stop editing your posts. It only makes the whole thread confusing when you wipe out what you said and completely change it. Also, don't go and delete all your posts as you have said you would, for the same reason. If you continue to do that (make the threads incoherent by excessive editing) something may be done about it.
I actually thought you guys wanted me to do that... ok I'll stop, sorry.
Quotehe doesnt know any better
really he doesnt...
as anyone on the nook sab or edot can attest
peace
Quote"What a fool I am!
Do I not appear hazy and confused?
Aimless as a wave drifting across the seas" - Lao Tzu's "Tao Teh Ching"
Hey catfish.... Good to see you dropping by....
It is good to see you catfish, how are things on edot?
Dude I told you the truth, do with it what you will.
I donno man... maybe I'll end up chasing this forever and go crazy and shit :lol:
So it's really just a joke?
Well, keep searching and when you find some I'll bring my infuser over and we will party.
Haha ok! :D
Sorry for the fuss guys...
Just seemed... strange... or evil :twisted:
LOL I don't see the "evil" part.
You brought up an old thread, asked a few questions and then went over the edge when you didn't get the answer YOU WANTED. So the dance continued, you were told the truth in any number of ways but still you persist.
Anyway, you are just lucky that jrl has offered to show you a tek with his infuser. Because if dragibus was real, I'm not sure if'n any other community member would be sharing the secret with you like he has offered. Of course, that offer would only be valid if dragibus were real, which it's not. SO don't make too much of jrl's offer. (You get a new infuser, bro?)
All in all, I'd give you a C- after factoring in the A for effort.
............ go ask psilly,
when he's ten feet tall
lw
If you go chasing rabbits! :P
When the white knights talkin' backwards...
QuoteAll in all, I'd give you a C- after factoring in the A for effort.
LOL. Thanks and sorry :oops:
~Teotzlcoatl~
P.S.-
I really hope you wouldn't keep something like this from everyone... if it is real.... :shock:
Well, all's well that ends well. To your credit you haven't bolted after finding out just how weird the people around here are. We are pretty close knit, some might say inbred. We have a dozen other private joke/myths at least. Every third one may or may not be true, we lose track sometimes. But let me be the first to say welcome!
(Yeah,lw, but I had to go with the stainless steal venturis cause the crystal ones are really pricey these days)
Yeah, mon. Welcome to spr. You been a pretty good sport and I guess there ain't nothing wrong with a little persistence. hehe
I tried the crystal, but afterward, it sounded like I could hear a radio in my head dialing between stations.
Gawd, if'n I remember right, there have been a few that bolted...
lw
Well yeah persitence is a good word, after the crytal venturis break in you still get the radio but you get to tune in the channels.........
QuoteI missed where I said that...?
If y'all know something we don't... ya need to speak up...
Anybody who is interested, PM me.... "White Peyote" for "Dragibus".
Don't know what "White Peyote" is?
Well I'll tell you... cause I'm not an asshole, just PM me.
This knowledge is for everybody... and ya I cuss when I'm mad, greedy asshole!
What if ALL shamans were like you suggest? Stuck up assholes who think they other are "not ready" or "not worthy" or "not as spiritual" or some bullshit!! We wouldn't have Ayahuasca, 'shrooms, nothing!!!
So fuck you and your "imma master shaman and your not so I'm not gonna tell you"... Guess what???? Somebody told YOU about ayahuasca, shrooms, etc., and likely about "Dragibus"... or did you discovered that knowledge on your own (like you suggested?) "Master shaman"???
Sorry, I normally never talk like this... but to think that some greedy fuckin' stuck up pseudo-shaman out there who think hes the only one "shamanic" enough or w/e to CONTROL one of MY God's botanicals?
Well I just wanna say- "FUCK YOU".
"What is Dragibus?" threads will be posted on every single ethnobotanical and etheogenic forum I can find in 72 hours if I don't recieve a PM explaining WHY this information should be kept secert. I will post everything I currently know about this conspricy (or joke) as well as any info I can collect about "Dragibus".
Should I recieve a PM (with a decent explaination) all my posts will be edited and you shall never hear of this again.
Rose- Oginiminaga wunj (possibly "Dragibus")
http://www.spiritplants.org/phpbb/topic920.html (http://www.spiritplants.org/phpbb/topic920.html)
http://www.kstrom.net/isk/food/wildrose.html (http://www.kstrom.net/isk/food/wildrose.html)
Dragibus was a horrible joke, if it's a joke that is... :twisted:
The joke is on you, my friend.
the harder they come,
the harder they fall
one and all.. - Jimmy Cliff -
I think this one needs to be saved for posterity. (lot-so mad editing been going down as of late.) I find it to be an interesting example of the sense of entitlement exhibited by some. The inability to see any side of the issue except that which leads to the immediate gratification of the dude asking the question is astounding, imo.
Quote from: "Teotzlcoatl"QuoteI missed where I said that...?
If y'all know something we don't... ya need to speak up...
Anybody who is interested, PM me.... "White Peyote" for "Dragibus".
Don't know what "White Peyote" is?
Well I'll tell you... cause I'm not an asshole, just PM me.
This knowledge is for everybody... and ya I cuss when I'm mad, greedy asshole!
What if ALL shamans were like you suggest? Stuck up assholes who think they other are "not ready" or "not worthy" or "not as spiritual" or some bullshit!! We wouldn't have Ayahuasca, 'shrooms, nothing!!!
So fuck you and your "imma master shaman and your not so I'm not gonna tell you"... Guess what???? Somebody told YOU about ayahuasca, shrooms, etc., and likely about "Dragibus"... or did you discovered that knowledge on your own (like you suggested?) "Master shaman"???
Sorry, I normally never talk like this... but to think that some greedy fuckin' stuck up pseudo-shaman out there who think hes the only one "shamanic" enough or w/e to CONTROL one of MY God's botanicals?
Well I just wanna say- "FUCK YOU".
"What is Dragibus?" threads will be posted on every single ethnobotanical and etheogenic forum I can find in 72 hours if I don't recieve a PM explaining WHY this information should be kept secert. I will post everything I currently know about this conspricy (or joke) as well as any info I can collect about "Dragibus".
Should I recieve a PM (with a decent explaination) all my posts will be edited and you shall never hear of this again.
Rose- Oginiminaga wunj (possibly "Dragibus")
http://www.spiritplants.org/phpbb/topic920.html (http://www.spiritplants.org/phpbb/topic920.html)
http://www.kstrom.net/isk/food/wildrose.html (http://www.kstrom.net/isk/food/wildrose.html)
Dragibus was a horrible joke, if it's a joke that is... :twisted:
Yeah, gotta go down in the annals as one of the great 'D bus' threads... 8) ---- Soon as I can find some technician with sensitive enough rheostats to control some TIG welding apparatus, I'ma have my foil derby repaired... When that happens, I'ma try out the PyOB with some catylzyed hips... Granted I'm not a Nichols, Shulgin or even an Osmium or Elusis, but I'm betting the process will work with better than 70% yield...
Finally it's coming out.
Sal: I understand EXACTLY what you are saying, and that puts a little skert on me.
LOL My gawd, what have we built?
ps: Thanks for the laughs, teo. It's been awhile since this place has brought me such pleasure.
lw
Yeah well, 'fer those with an eye towards detail. they will inevitably come to understand the veiled references. 'Ya know the ones: "walking down the primrose path" - or that beautifully hidden in plain sight artwork of the Greatful Dead (why 'ya think they have those roses in all their stuff ):wink: --- 'course everybody knows 'bout 'ole Ken Keysey draggin that bus all over the country.... As they say... 'Da truth, it be out there :)
Well, I guess its time to spill the beans. Dragibus is as much a state of mind as it is a product or process. Radio-telepathy, if you will, employing both entheogenic substance and physical antennae that supposedly has the potential to drive a seeker crazy with mixed signals until the ability to focus powers is developed.
Denver CO used to be the center of dragibus research but that all changed the day toostoned died. At least for me.
lw
Yesssirreee, I can see Too-Stoned grinning with approval over the current state of research and information gathering and dissemination.... :lol:
Man this shit is crazy...
Is anybody willing to let it all out yet?
I... I... don't know what to say...
I'm very sorry your friend died.
I suppose I should have been more sensitive towards this subject...
I just don't understand why hidding it helps...
Somebody just type up the whole story... the research project, the mans death, the drug, please... somebody just let the truth out!
Those who know don't say.
Those who say don't know.
Ya, ya more cryptic bullshit.
Those who know should say, we obvisouly know it's real, come on...
And what about our brethren in LA? Remember Time Out of Mind by Steely Dan?
"Tonight when I CHASE THE DRAGON
The water will change tocherry wine
The silver will turn to gold time out of mind"
Now doesn't that remind you of the rose hips in water?
And silver to gold could be the crystlisation out of the ether bath which is the last safe process before the final series of reactions.
Well, this is as truthy as its going to get, I'm afraid.
Btw, we're writing it as we go,
so feel free take a bough, bro.
lw
I never do extractions, so I've kind of lost interest...
perfect.
Nothing to see here folks.....
ya... BORING!
I remember our trip to Prague just a couple years back where we were lucky enough to procure just enough for one of the fabled "white" dr@g1bu5.
My then boyfriend insisted I be the one to try it, since my experiences paled by his in comparison, and it only be fair that I be the one to come home with a story for once.
Well, the experience was literally magickal, and I came home with more than a story to tell.
The flight back to Schenectady seemed to take forever, but as soon as we arrived, we ran to city hall to apply for our marriage certificate.
Thank you, "D", for making my life complete.
congrats!
That's why we say "Puff the Magic Dragon" But you were lucky, after i hit my infuser a few times I kissed a cop at 34th and Vine, I didn't have my little bottle so he broke my nose.
JRL, your post makes me want to SING about my experience! But I know better. 8)
Hey SunShine!
You a girl, eh?
How old are you?
You single now?
You want boyfriend?
I need fresh girlfriend!
Mmmmm you make me feel like lunch meat. Sexy.
Sunshine we don't get enough women in here and sometimes we forget our manners.
But I would love to hear about your Czech White experience. Do you know how the czech chemists beat the explosion issues?
I don't know what you're talking about.
PM me
so the beast still lives on here...riding the dragon with glee may help explain the downfall of me..maybe as explanation of my mod tardyness of the last year or so..new zealand dragibus variant confirmed..this bith is no dragon, shes a taniwha (mythical maori version of a dragon)..she took me down down down..no extraction, no process..just a single nipple on a fresh shoot..the taste so encompassing, so warm so full.. am amazed i make it back alive..or atleast stil teathered to my body.. i do find it amusing how no-one questions the cross cultural dragon references..the authorities did a good job of information control..
..on people 'requesting' to be let in..does a reformed heroine addict help hook up someone who has never used? id hope not..and the dragon is so much darker and deeper than satans belly button..
dont you worry about the health concerns?! why dont you take a break, kick back, spit out the D for a sec, and expand your research, im sure there are other competent ethnopharmacological researchers who would love to help further the understanding of the incomprehensible D,
new zealand eh? still out of touch for the big ol usa, that dragon lives on the otherside of the world. id consider it a shame if you died and left all the discoveries of D, unknown to the rest of your species, please trust that there are good people out here (myself) who are aware of the vast gravity that psychedelics hold. I am waiting for what appears to be our sign to unite and rejoice in the utopia we have created through altered consciousness and spiritual awakening. D may just be that sign or catalyst. How can i not be excited?!
Id love to help out in anyway i can, other than not getting in the way of people who trust none but themselves and know they are smarter...
we are all of the same family, how many hidden birthrights do you see me witholding from my kin? ok, so i dont have any, but i would share them as thats what one does when they are apart of a society of equals.
this is what i expect from the rest of my relatives, it may be naive but, its logical to say the least...
best of luck in furthering our collective understanding of the D, i hope you will let down those walls (not to say they arent entirely necessary) but maybe you could just let me keep up to date, so we dont keep reinventing the first step, like a wheel...
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Man, I have to come out of retirement -- and believe me, there is a reason I have been in retirement, and it is germane to the thread at hand.
For all the transpersonal reptilian bliss, for all the guided journeying through the ontological foundations of our human existence, for all the windows to alternity that are opened through this precious plant, please keep in mind that it is entirely possible to develop a very unhealthy relationship to this plant. The long-timers here know that I am not the only one who has found this (hmm, anyone notice any conspicuous absences?), but it would seem that they're in a deep state of denial.
Fortunately some of the more over-the-top experiential reports appear to have been purged from the board, for which I am grateful. I would suggest that the moderators seriously consider a similar fate for this thread.
I do not blame my own failings on the plant, and I don't paint myself as a victim (however, it one were to posit an autonomous volition to a plant spirit -- one which could overwhelm us mere humans and place us into that category of victim, overpowered despite our best intentions -- this would be a reasonable plant for which to do it). And I'm sure that many of you (most?) who have tasted her charms have done so in a life-affirming way. But I feel that it must be said that just as every coin has two sides, this plant has dual natures. If anyone is foolish enough to think they are "strong enough to handle it" (and they well could be, but how would they know without putting their mortal soul on the line to find out?) please, please be careful. At a minimum I would suggest defining a dosing schedule, and if you find yourself breaking it even once, consider ending your experiment.
I have no regrets, for their are two sides to my coin too, and I wouldn't trade what I have seen for anything, despite the price I paid. But until people realize that a high price can be extracted, they can't even consciously make that decision. And I would hate to see people making a bargain without knowing full well what they could be getting into.
Tangentially, I hope everyone has been well.
Amom-mon!
You is back from das abyss! :cool2
Great to see you again.
lw
Well put. Having said that, as a survivor of the 1968 Haight St d******s pandemic I have to say that not many can stand up to the temptations inherant to this plant. The lure of unlimited power in the spiritual realm that appears to be karma free is more than even the most sincere seeker can resist.
Of course we all found out that the dragon does come and extract its pound of flesh (or gray matter). Who can forget the all the formerly great power magicians huddled in the doorways in SF, clutching their bottles of Ripple hoping to keep the memories at bay? I still run into some of them panhandling, never having gotten their lives back on track.
Would the psychedelic movement be the mainstream now if the dragon had never been redicovered? No one can know. We just have to soldier on with our heads far from empty.
Quote from: "laughingwillow"Amom-mon!
You is back from das abyss! :cool2
Great to see you again.
lw
Thank you sir!
One day at a time... one day at a time.
The only safe say (and that's a relative term, of course) I've found of meeting up with the dragon is to quid a fresh leaf or two, but going no higher!