First I would like to add that Iam trying salvia for the first time in a few weeks and that I have the utmost respect and understanding of its natural powers. I was thinking about listening to headphones (pink floyd) while I was under the influence of this magical plant that my fellow ancient Aztecs used. I couldnt come to a conclusion if wether this would totally soothe and enlighten the experience or horendously lead me to a worse trip. I have read many expiriences on Erowid.org, and noted that most trippers completly were isolated from all they knew. Would I still hear the music? Maybe, maybe not. Some helpful comments would be nice. Thanks.
"I have the utmost respect and understanding of its natural powers"
If you haven't tried it yet, you don't understand.
"I was thinking about listening to headphones"
Generally not recommended for first time users. Silence and darkness is most likely best. Even try to elimate any background noise, fans, refigerators, traffic noise, etc.
Later you might try some music. Pink Floyd doens't sound too bad. Do you have any drumming tracks?
"my fellow ancient Aztecs used."
I don't think we know for sure if the Aztecs danced with Sally.
Ya hit the nail on the head TSTT. I could not agree with ya more on first time trippers. And another thing, don't do the flavored crude or the super high extracts as it is disrespect to something as the likes of Sally. Perhaps you should read more on her around this forum before playing with such a plant.
Well, you haven't said how you're going to be using it. If, like most, you're planning on smoking is (not really recommended, but that's a different story) then I would definitely not listen to music. Later on you can try combining music with a sonic environment.
As an aside, there is no evidence of pre-conquest use of Salvia. It's possible that it has been used since ancient times, but certain circumstantial evidence calls this into question. It's really just speculation one way or the other.
Quote from: "TooStonedToType""I have the utmost respect and understanding of its natural powers"
If you haven't tried it yet, you don't understand.
"I was thinking about listening to headphones"
Generally not recommended for first time users. Silence and darkness is most likely best. Even try to elimate any background noise, fans, refigerators, traffic noise, etc.
Later you might try some music. Pink Floyd doens't sound too bad. Do you have any drumming tracks?
"my fellow ancient Aztecs used."
I don't think we know for sure if the Aztecs danced with Sally.
Since Iam nothing but new to this substance, I will take your advice and dergheist's and amomynous's as well. Iam planning on buying 5x and smoking it out of a pipe or bubbler with 2 other friends who are also smoking it, one who has done 10x before and enjoyed it very much. I understand the music thing might not be a good idea. We were planning on going to a little spot where we can lay down on the grass and ponder upon the sky and smoke the atypical psychedelic. I was thinking that nature would be the best ground to witness the trip because nature is what gave birth to this plant. And the outdoors are just amazing anyway. Some say we should smoke it inside where its quiet and not around anyone at all. I agree, but I was thinking outdoors would be much more mellow and appropriate. Not outdoors like around the public, just somewhere outside my house. Maybe lay a blanket down and just smoke it right there. Dergheist, I have been reading very much about the plant and am not labeling my encounter as a "play or playing with the plant". I would not dare play with such a strong substance. Toostonedtotype, I havnet tried it yet, your right. I dont understand it, but I do respect its power very much so. Thanks.
Also, I would appreciate any tips, hints, info, knowledge you posses towards this plant that might help me with my expirience. Enlighten me if you wish. Thank you.
All of the tips, hints, and what not are in the Salvia Plane forums. We do not know you as you have only posted this first time and so we are a little cautious as to dolling out info. I for one have another question to ask you before I give my 2 cents worth. I want to know why you feel compelled to do Salvia? Do you have a purpose and I do not mean just to see what she can do for you. I for one started many years back using Sally to treat a certain type of migrane I get and for depression. I do not abuse her or use her when I do not need to and for this she has been most gratiutous towards me. I have never had a bad "trip". I personally prefer quiding and I agree with Amomynous about how you want to try her for your first time. Almost all that you want to know on how I feel about this plant is in this Forum you just need to dig for it. Knowledge does not come free and even Sally will show you that. I am not trying to be mean nor are the rest of us on this forum, we just have very strong feelings about how this plant should be used and who uses it.
I would suggest that you quid fresh leaves first before smoking.
It is easier to manage the experience with a quid and easier to abandon ship if you so choose.
Here! Here! Winder. I second that approach, especially if someone understands her power this would be the best way of starting and even better is not smoking it at all. Just my 2 cents.
I do not know what quiding is. But i just bought 1gram of 5 extract. Im quite the thinker, all i really do is think about life/creation/death and just everything in the world in general. Iam not a psychonaut nor have I had much expirence with pyschadelics. But salvia intrigues me the most out of all psychadelic substances because of its short duration and power. Iam most compelled to do salvia simply because I want to expirience the unimaginable. I have much respect for nature's plants and their capabilities of taking you places not reachable with an un-altered conciouss. I have radical theories about everything in the world. I believe I can profoundly expand my minds thoughts and persepctives on life itself by smoking this great plant. I was planning on having about 30 minutes of meditation before smoking just to clear my mind and know what I want from this plant. Im a friendly stoner, though iam new to the forums, I can be trusted. Thanks for posting.
First off, please take no offense as this is just my opinion.
Quidding is chewing of the leaves instead of smoking. The effects are different from smoking and this is how the Mazatec people started with this plant. Quidding lasts much longer than smoking and in some peoples opinions (including mine) is the best way.
I am not for the use of this plant to just expand one's mind just because it intrigues you or "you want to experience the unimaginable" and I hope you do not take offense to this, but those area poor reasons to use her. Please come up with a better reason to use her and know in your heart. Don Juan once said that all paths lead to nowhere but following a path with a heart is far better than to follow one without. Just like you should not mess with the world's most deadly animal just because it intrigues you, allies should not be taken lightly or without a strong intent. You should be ready for what she offers to you, whatever you ask, she will show if you listen. Be careful of what you ask of her though, you may not be ready for such responsibility. This is the reason many people do not like Sally and call her bad names although they asked for it. I am not trying to discourage you from using her, I just am giving you my opinion and the facts as I know them.
The plant has given the same message to others before that I am giving to you and most never do it again because of it. The message is that she does not like being extracted and/or flavored, packaged, and then sold. I think most people who have "bad" trips are due to this fact. Instead of buying extract try plain leaf next time. The best way if you can and are truly interested in her is to grow her yourself. You will find out there is a huge difference.
You say that you do meditation. I am curious as to what type and have you ever done an OBE (Out of Body Experience)? I would liken the Sally experience to an OBE very much. This is the only psychadelic substance I have done and probably will be the only one I ever do. I have found my ally in this world and need not seek for another, although I am curious about the uses of all other psychadelic plants and medicinal plants, I do not tout them up as my ally as with Sally and for many a good reasons nor do I "trip" on them.
Well, I wish you the best and I pray she becomes an ally for you. I hope to see you around some more on the forums and let me be the first to welcome you to our little niche of the web. :D PM me and we could talk some more about this if you wish.
I absorb absolutly no offense from any other human, at least I try not to. I would like you guys to know that I usually can't fully express my feelings in words all the time. Due to my radically unique train of thought. I have learned that there are 2 kinds of drug users. The qoute in my mind iam thinking of wont come out perfectly how I please it to. So im just gonna say that im not using salvia for recreational reasons, though iam in a deep sense. Im planning on using it to build and expand my mental being and just basically all that I know of right now to a different level of knowledge. Im not sure thats exactly what im thinking but thats just how its gonna come out. Ive read dozens of expiriences on Erowid.org and pointed out to my friends how most of these users are ignorant and definatly not ready for something like salvia. Also, how they made the mistake of not appreciating and knowing what was going to come after that 1 hit they took. Ive read people say something like "this is the worst drug and i would never do it again...". Those are the people I oppose myself to. Its like playing the game 'chicken' against another car and not knowing you could get seriously injured, you know? As ive mentioned before in one of my posts, I think about human existance and the wonders of the world and this and that, probobly more than the common person. I enjoy writing, drawing, listening to all kinds of music, and reading. I consider myself to be mentally prepared for something like salvia, though I do have doubts and will try to eliminate them before smoking. Iam going to try my best to isolate my negative energy and negative thoughts through out the day iam about to smoke this plant so that when the smoke hits my lungs, and I step into this foreign world, that its better than it could be worse. Then again, I have absolutly NO expirience with this plant and hope that I dont underestimate its powers before I enter its aura. Since I know that im not going to grow this plant and will most likly never come across it, my only option is extract. So I purchased 1 gram of mint flavored (yeah I know you guys arent too fond of this) 5x at a local headshop. Im not exactly sure when im going to smoke it, but I would like to chat some more with you fellas before so. I think thats all I wanted to say right now. Thanks again for the posts and hope you reply.
Quote from: "dergheist"First off, please take no offense as this is just my opinion.
Quidding is chewing of the leaves instead of smoking. The effects are different from smoking and this is how the Mazatec people started with this plant. Quidding lasts much longer than smoking and in some peoples opinions (including mine) is the best way.
I am not for the use of this plant to just expand one's mind just because it intrigues you or "you want to experience the unimaginable" and I hope you do not take offense to this, but those area poor reasons to use her. Please come up with a better reason to use her and know in your heart. Don Juan once said that all paths lead to nowhere but following a path with a heart is far better than to follow one without. Just like you should not mess with the world's most deadly animal just because it intrigues you, allies should not be taken lightly or without a strong intent. You should be ready for what she offers to you, whatever you ask, she will show if you listen. Be careful of what you ask of her though, you may not be ready for such responsibility. This is the reason many people do not like Sally and call her bad names although they asked for it. I am not trying to discourage you from using her, I just am giving you my opinion and the facts as I know them.
The plant has given the same message to others before that I am giving to you and most never do it again because of it. The message is that she does not like being extracted and/or flavored, packaged, and then sold. I think most people who have "bad" trips are due to this fact. Instead of buying extract try plain leaf next time. The best way if you can and are truly interested in her is to grow her yourself. You will find out there is a huge difference.
You say that you do meditation. I am curious as to what type and have you ever done an OBE (Out of Body Experience)? I would liken the Sally experience to an OBE very much. This is the only psychadelic substance I have done and probably will be the only one I ever do. I have found my ally in this world and need not seek for another, although I am curious about the uses of all other psychadelic plants and medicinal plants, I do not tout them up as my ally as with Sally and for many a good reasons nor do I "trip" on them.
Well, I wish you the best and I pray she becomes an ally for you. I hope to see you around some more on the forums and let me be the first to welcome you to our little niche of the web. :D PM me and we could talk some more about this if you wish.
You were saying about what I want to recieve from salvia. I know what I want, I cant perfectly explain it to you. Thats not the important thing. Id like to know if theres some methods of mentally setting myself on the trip I wish to take with sally. Any preparations of any sort or anything that could help me reach my desire with this magical plant. Any techniques or anything at all that could help me with this, I would like to know. I can envision what I would like to expirience. The problem is that I have never been under the influence of her, so my envision is most likley unreachable, maybe. Anyway, thanks again and im looking forward to reading everyones opinions and helpful comments.
Quote from: "dergheist"Quidding is chewing of the leaves instead of smoking. The effects are different from smoking and this is how the Mazatec people started with this plant.
Just a point of clarification. The Mazatecs did
not quid: this is a modern innovation.
See Valdes' papers for descriptions of traditional oral preparations.
Very true and thanks for that point amomynous.
QuoteYou were saying about what I want to recieve from salvia. I know what I want, I cant perfectly explain it to you. Thats not the important thing. Id like to know if theres some methods of mentally setting myself on the trip I wish to take with sally. Any preparations of any sort or anything that could help me reach my desire with this magical plant. Any techniques or anything at all that could help me with this, I would like to know. I can envision what I would like to expirience. The problem is that I have never been under the influence of her, so my envision is most likley unreachable, maybe. Anyway, thanks again and im looking forward to reading everyones opinions and helpful comments.
Being prepared is of course different for all people. I think your intent is fine. If you know yourself well, how you respond to panic or delight or instance, you will be OK. Acceptance of the experience, and not fighting or opposing it, is a good attitude to have.
Salvia just surprises alot of people, as it effects places in your brain that perhaps you weren't aware off. Jupe
Yeah. I read about some dude who was a very very expirienced psychedelic user and salvia took him to places he had never thought were possible. Now, iam not an expirienced psychedelic user but I think im almost mentally prepared for the journey.
Hi there pinkfloydd and welcome to the forum... I get the impression that you are heading in the right way toward a good and satisfying Sally experience... I myself can well understand where you are at in a spiritual sense... (that line about others probably would consider you a heretic has been utter by myself many times) Now, on to your developing a relationship with The Lady... I am one of the few people around here that does not find quidding to be a good thing.. Yeah, all our physiologies are different, and I find that I only achieve a bit more than threshold effects from the quid... I myself like to use Salvia extract (7X or 8X).... I also differ than most in that I almost exclusively enjoy using Salvia in the daylight...Remember bro, Salvia is quite a unique experiece, and as such, you will likely find your own path that will be right as rain for you.... I wish you a world of wonder and satisfaction with our Green Goddess.... Do keep us posted as you journey the path.............. sal
Thanks for the welcome, and i will keep you guys posted after my use. Thanks again.
Yo floydd: inquiring mind wanna know :lol: ------ sal
I suggest starting slow, and building only if needed. Some people, like senor, require more to get an effect, but it is most definitely advisable to start slow, by quid or smoking plain leaf. And I would say, if you don't achieve desirable results right away, don't immediately jump to the next level (extracts and such). Give it a few tries first to get used to it. Salvia is a different experience, that's the best way of putting it. You can't use it and expect it to be at all similar to anything you've ever done before, or you'll end up being disappointed.
I would also suggest going through your experience in silent darkness, as others suggested. Having friends there (though in another room, as is best) would be good, since you don't know how you'll react.
And lastly I suggest you let the experience come as it wants to, not as you want it to. Dismantle your preconceptions and expectations as best you can, and you will be able to gain as much insight from salvia as is possible.