In order to facilitate a more coherent decision making system, we need to have a board of directors. By this I mean that there should be a limited number of members whose job it is to authorise actions to be taken regarding the spiritplants conglomerate :D
The decision making process should be public, this forum is a perfect place for it, if there is some way to set up a voting system that is limited to certain users that would be very helpful. Having non-directors being able to put in their ideas is a good idea too, but there needs to be a clear delineation of authority, and it needs to be democratic.
There needs to be a submission of candidates and elections open to all members
Because this thing is no longer one person's thing, there is a power vacuum and we need to fill the gap.
i've already got 1 vote of no confidence! (thanks lw) yay! i'm winning so far :P
Well, i think i can start this thing off, please everone give a list of users who you think should be nominated for the board.
My nominations go to nitroburn, cassie, jrl, laughingwillow, cenacle
(so there's a counter vote for you nitro :D)
The conflicts we are experiencing here are merely organisational/executive issues. Lets sort it out!
that only brings me back up to zero! damn it! now i'm tied! look what you did now :P
Take into concideration what each person is willing or able to contribute.
I have a good handle on tech things so I can certianly help with that.
we need a director with their finger on the tech pulse
i forgot to add andy, the gracious donor of hosting for this place :/
which brings up the point of stakeholders... so being the chatroom host/admin that puts you in an important position too, nitro. and the issue of stakeholders is why it needs to be democratic in the selection process. We should have someone in charge of maintaining the system, a secretary so to speak.
Ok, unless someone more senior than me wants to take this on, i will submit to be the moderator of this process. I suggest that we put a deadline on nominations, my thinking is a week from now, which is say, 3rd of february. Please somebody make this post sticky, if possible highlight it so that it is on the main page so that proper community involvement can be fostered :D
A new thought also, membership on the board should be implicit in the provision of services to the organisation. Therefore anyone involved in hosting a service associated with spiritplants should be on the board by default, since their technical skills and civic service make them indispensible, and ensure that the board takes technical issues into consideration at all times.
nitroburn, cassie, jrl, laughingwillow, cenacle
in favour
judih
The moderators and admins are the directors ... all the moderators from the old site are back now and we are a new team, only recently selected based on interest and activity ( that's why we are all here already).
It needs to be clearly defined cassie, or else people don't know where they stand. LaughingWillow made that quite obvious. Would you like to add your nominations, since you know the people much better than I do. I thought you were a champion of consensus decision making and a student of political science? I don't see how moderating gives authority beyond the forum one is assigned to. And even the job of moderating is made difficult by the absence of a proper mandate and policy.
Please nominate people you feel should be a part of the executive team :D
Once the date for nominations is past I will gather the list together, counting how many people nominated who, and then I will have, by then sorted out a way to operate a voting process.
this is not just your place, it is *our* place, would you not like to see that it reflects its constituency?
This is the only way to ensure that we get no sour grapes from any quarter.
I would also like to add Elfstone to my list of nominations, since he is a respected member of the community also.
I nominate myself as Figure Head Supreme!!
This position will have nearly no responsibilities. However, when members have grievances they can come to me. I may or may not listen, and my decisions will be final and binding :P
Also, members can feel free to kiss my rump to try to gain privilege. :wink:
only dictatorships have figure-head supremes
Cenacle ,Nitroburn, Judith,Jrl, Cassie, LW Hell...,even Loki,though I don`t know him.Everytime I read him he makes sense. The forum invite idea...Perhaps!(If you are talking about one particular subject)
well, i subscribe to the taoist idea of leadership - which means that i have no desire for privilege, hence i would prefer to just be an active person putting out my ideas rather than any kind of authority. I guess my design for the executive embodies that, i'd feel most privileged to be a part of the board but I feel that good ideas have more power than individual persons, so regardless of my position, i will just keep participating. Thankyou for your vote of confidence in my ideas... they are not really my ideas, i have spent a long time studying the subject of leadership and interpersonal dynamics so i have absorbed a lot of ideas.
I have posted to the spf radio mailing list to get more ppl to put their nominations in too, this process does not work without maximum participation.
could someone make this thread sticky plz?
sorry, but i don't like this idea at all. The admins and moderators have those roles because of their profiles and there is no reason why they can not be a perfectly adequate team.
Makin another one is like re-inventing the wheel.
My only question on the matter is that did I not consider the full range of possibilities.
I`m going to favour those who brought up the site first,but there are other very intelligent people,who give this place some flavor. Is Jiku being left out? Finbar to me adds demension.(or three)
Like everything else latly is,how serious to take it.
All the old forums and their moderators are almost back to as it was at the old site.
Jiku is still our cactus man ... have no fear of spiney norman...
i guess that makes you the new chief then. i now stand aside
gotta keep things the same, even if they change.
have you considered that maybe eddy has departed the forum because he was tired of the responsibility?
If you are the one who is gonna call the shots then this is my last post. I am not the only one in favour of a revamp
"i guess that makes you the new chief then. i now stand aside"
No, no it doesn't make her cheif just becuase shes telling you she doesn't like it.
"gotta keep things the same, even if they change."
Thats what we have done. Same Mods. New Admins.
"have you considered that maybe eddy has departed the forum because he was tired of the responsibility?"
Obviously, but that would just be irresponsible of him to do.
"If you are the one who is gonna call the shots then this is my last post. I am not the only one in favour of a revamp"
Ok, who else wants a revamp? This post has been open and I see mainly you me and cass posting. Judih and CJ both seemed to nominate near the same people. Mods and Admins again.
If ANYONE has a problem with a mod or wishes to become a mod they just have to ask! Dont start voting because then people might get put in a place they dont want. If people want to do something, or want to contribute, there is no problem with that! they Propose their idea in a new thread like you did and people will weigh in with their opinions.
Get it?
The very existance of this thread goes to prove that we are listening to you and willing to be open to your ideas. I'm sorry they never caught on and some people disagreed with your idea. But dont make it personal because of that.
I second my original vote for myself! :)
damn it tralfaz!
I knew i shouldn't have taking the part out of my post about you!
damn cheater! stop voting for yourself! heheheh
Avery Breath has been around a long time and seems to know what's going on. The former ATGS
I, dendro, control the Attic and rule the spider army. I am willing to entertain treaty offers...
4 bananas and a bowl of gruel to keep the hungry hordes of spiders at bay for at least one more growing season! Oh, and all the rising fumes you can inhale from the "soup" I've got cooking in the kitchen. That's my final offer.
Fair enuff, the spider army will not invade your garden. Let the fumes commence!
This is a serious subject. Isn't anyone interested in who will be running spf? I'm not looking to be on the board but I'd like to know who is. Who is running things while we decide? Is it Andy? cenacle seemed to be administrating things for a while, are you still doing that, cenacle? I'd like to see this discussion revived.
Stoney
I think Winder has a good head on his shoulders for this kind of thing.
He pulled me up in the nicest manner and made me see the error of my ways without incurring my wrath. Very unusual but impressive.
Ha........ :lol:
This is the first time I've peeped this thread. (But I read the whole thing.)
I think the best thing to do right now would be nothing out of the ordinary. Maybe a little bidness as usual is just what the community needs, at least in the short-term.
I hate authority and have no desire to be a leader in the traditional sense.... But I sure would like it if the admins/mods were also regular forum posters. Spf has been a daily home for a bunch of us for many years. For much of that time, the admins and some mods have come around to fix problems, but seem to have little interest in posting here on a regular basis.
lw
I've been posting regularly at SPF since the first week, and a couple years at edot before that. My posting numbers aren't as high as some heh, but I have posted steadily, I've fucked up some, but I try to contribute. I've seen a lot of people come and go at this site. Some get very involved socially for a time, then disappear. Most of the members here now are newer than me.
I used to trade a lot, gave it up when the ripoffs got to be too much and postage went up. I don't chat, or socialize much beyond the forums.
I posted in the first couple weeks here at SPR, made contact, was ignored, and some of my posts have disappeared. :?
I vote Raver for admin, but does he want to do it? Think we can get Wyrm back? How 'bout you, Jacko?
BTW, Stoney, re: "serious". Do not minimize the Spider Army, they assure me they are very serious indeed. :)
Hey, I'd vote for raver or jacko.
cassie: We may all be here now, but the past bunch of years have shown me that some aren't really interested in participation past the initial rush of the planning and development stages. I've heard you make the comment that we didn't see you around spf much in the past because there just wasn't much moderating to do in your forum. Imo, a spf moderating position has little to do with being a contributing community member.
nitro: I don't have anything against you. But you ain't be a real regular contributor to the spf forums for the last few years. As far as I could tell, you didn't really like us or maybe just didn't have much interest in participating. I know.... you can be found in chat. But that's really a distinct community from the spf boards. Some may go back and forth but it is still two seperate entities.
We spf regulars know each other pretty well, even those who read more than post. While I admire your efforts to develop a progressive board, (as seen by a few ideas implemented and then discarded) I have a tough time believing that those in charge of planning had no clue as to the volitility of the issues at hand. A central tenant of spf has always been to avoid certain topics. It's not like we've overlooked those subjects by accident. And those forum discussions were always held in public, on the boards.
I had a problem with eddy ruling the site (spf) from chat. And I have the perception that the ones in charge here will be prone to the same management style.
cen is definitely a spf regular. Of those at the top, he seems the most likely candidate to run the community and keep the small people in mind.
lw
I don't really care much who is percieved to be the admin/head honcho etc, as long as the overall spirit that was the flavor of the old place does not substantially disappear... Sure there were occasionally some snafus, but in the whole, the site has always been, hands down, my fave place in the entheo-cyber-realm....... 'Course, here I am, pontificating, and yet have nothing to offer the boards as far as hands on support. Senor is probably the least computer savvy of anyone here... (evidenced by the fact I can't even figure out how to get this machine to allow me to do simple paragraph indentations and the like).... To my friend Dendro: Yo bro, I appreciate yer contributions and don't ignore your postings. Fact is, I find myself wondering how you are, when you occasionally make yourself scarce.................... Things seems to be doing pretty well IMHO------------- senorsal-----------
cassie and nitroburn are both vital members of SPF, there is no doubt of this, nor will there ever be...one can have one's owns feelings or opinions, but i will simply not remain quiet while these good people are knocked around...cassie has contributed to the forums, the chat, and the radio, is smart, and invaluable to have around as a friend and a unique soul...i care for her very much and hope all good things for her, including staying in this community a long time...
nitroburn is one of the most special young people that i know...he is smart, funny, a tech wiz, and one of the nicest people you could ever hope to meet, even if only online...i trust him in many ways, and like cassie am happy to call him friend, a real friend...him and andy being admins here is going to make this site a special place from the ground up...they are responsive to people's needs, and act from a total spirit of generosity and community...
as for chat and forums and radio being different entities, they are and they aren't...there is only one SPF banner and it flies above all of them...people participate as they will but think of SPF as a village with its different buildings and activities...they are all valid, and all are welcome to each of them...
i am not 'in charge' in any predominant way, i do not have all of the skills and know-how to be that...i help out, keep an eye and an ear open to things, and usually turn to andy and/or nitro to get things changed...but SPF is a community, a shared place, a collaboration among souls...i like it that way...it's too much for any one person to control or lord over...i am happy to do what i do, and to see others every day pitching in....
the better we figure things out one at a time, the better our community will be, the more prosperous its collective soul...it takes all of us to do this...everyone counts, everyone matters, i'm going to start singing mr rogers neighborhood songs about now so i'll stop... :twisted:
HMmmmmm
I think SPF in its true light will need very little from a baord of directors. The mods jobs are to look after their forums and keep content legitimate and growth high! I think oghran has the keys to the site, I guess the job of any sort of group of directors needs to be on issues of not allowing a repeat of the demise of the old site and also should SPF need technical work or development in the lines of where we are going, or for questions and comments that mods dont want to deal with on just their own discretion.
For that purpose we need people that are contactable very quickly, and are reliable. These can be drawn from forum members that barely use chat or chat members that barely use the forum..or more ideally members that often are found on both.
The directors shouldn't be dictators but more transmitters and recievers of opinion, and have the ability to carry out adjustments on the fly if its needed to promote the sites good health.
Now, i have more contact in chat but am a moderator and spend time on the forum so my choices are more orientated towards those I know, i'd suggest cassie ...she absolutly loves SPF and is in distress to see us bickering over it all when she just wants it to get back to how it was.
I'd also go for cenacle, he's devoted and is about often, I know he would honour the responsibility with his upmost attention.
Now there's people on the forum such as Winder, two stoned to type and troutmask that are old school regulars, if they wanted the position then they'd get my vote.
Boooosh
Quotenitro: I don't have anything against you. But you ain't be a real regular contributor to the spf forums for the last few years. As far as I could tell, you didn't really like us or maybe just didn't have much interest in participating. I know.... you can be found in chat. But that's really a distinct community from the spf boards. Some may go back and forth but it is still two seperate entities.
Ok, so all those post I made just never got read by you. I, on
average, made one post a day. Yes, I have been a little slower with my posting over the last almost year, but I have been finishing my schooling. (school comes first!) I dont know why you assume I didn't like SPF or that I didn't have intrest in participating. I guess yeah, its that you only use the forums where as I frequent both the chat and forums so I guess I am seen as 'more active' by those users who also participate in the chat as well as the forums. (like cenacle and cassie)
You may contine to float the idea that I dislike this place and the only reason im helping is some hidden side reason im not telling anyone. But it is not true and Its very annoying to keep have you throwing out there like it were even slightly connected to any shred of evidence.
"I have a tough time believing that those in charge of planning had no clue as to the volitility of the issues at hand."
I don't get why you would think we dont know about the volitility of the issue when we have been posting on the exact point that we do know the volitility of the issue and that it was a accident from misunderstanding of a unclarified acceptance.
"I had a problem with eddy ruling the site (spf) from chat. And I have the perception that the ones in charge here will be prone to the same management style. "
The problem was eddy was never around. And He was rarely on the chat in the past 4 years I have hosted it. He frequented the forums more.
"cen is definitely a spf regular. Of those at the top, he seems the most likely candidate to run the community and keep the small people in mind. "
Thats why I discuss every action I take with him.
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I am not a 'moderator' here. You have made it painfully clear that less people think of me as a part of SPF then I previously assumed. I am an 'Administrator' here to preform technical duties for the moderators. So I wont be the one rocking the boat, I'm just here to make sure that boat doesn't sink. Don't worry, i wont pulling down the mast and trying to install a motor on the back.
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Its amazing how people can have such different perspectives, quite like 'the elephant in the living room'.
It sadens me to see Nitro havin to defend himself; I have scarcely met a more helpful and caring person and have always thought we were very lucky to have him in this community.
Nitro is a rare individual, one from whom we all can learn not just techie stuff which he helps with unceasingly but also how to act with community interests at heart and how to treat each other with kindness and respect, as practical steps towards a better world. (and he prolly doesn't even realise how wonderful he is)
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Uhm, not that it matters in the slightest but LW's original post count was somewhere in the 1800 mark at one point I believe. He cut it back to around 400 a while back at the same time I rolled my post count back for various reasons.
That being said, this whole conflict kinda bums me out. I don't get it.
Love
Avery
LOL I passed 1800 a long time back on spf. My average post average was about 4/day and I'd been there for at least four years before it went down. Not that that matters one whit.
lw
Guys, what is this? We don't need a who's got the biggest log contest here. I don't see what this is all about.
Just to clarify-
My log is in fact the biggest.
I know you're not supposed to chop down redwoods, but I just couldn't help it. I wouldn't have had anything to say otherwise.
There is room for many here.
We need admins and I am confident that should Nitroburn, Cassie, and/or Cenacle be the admin(s), they will be around.
We need moderators, and I see no issue with Admins also serving as Moderators if they so choose. We shouldn't expect it, as it would increase the burden on the admin(s), but then again, some may be up to the tasks.
I respectfully ask that Nitroburn and Laughingwillow ease up on one another. I am not looking to referee this or to say that one is causing more trouble than the other. I have a bit more commuciation history with one than the other, but also realize that can cause some bias. I look forward to more opportunity to see Nitroburn participate as a member on the boards, besides the political stuff, and I am making an effort to get on chat to see him and others. I also hope to see LW stay and particpate for a long while.
I am glad to have LW's concern and I am glad to see Nitroburn's patience. But I am concerned that the back and forth is continuing, when I see little coming from it.
Perhaps the best thing is to have more than one admin, as history has shown us what happens with just one admin when s/he disappears. Is it technically feasible to have more than 1 admin? Must multiple admins being geographically accessible to the hardware?
I totally love and respect nitroburn, and really enjoy his posting. 8)
not to leave anyone out, I also totally love and respect cen, cassie, jrl, andy, avery, lw, ttst, stoney, winder, in fact everyone here BIG HUG AWWWW....
I totally second that list!.......and will see you one Eddy and a slightly used dendro!
yeah, that's right, any excuse for a poker game.
i've got an lw up my sleeve and he's very impatient. would you kindly take your turn?
p.s. so be it ruled - there were many posts and alas we start anew.
nitro was a pillar of the site in his bizarre sometimes animated avatar way.
lw on the other hand was a pillar in his rubberized steadfast mission to keep the place above ground.
Valuable people.
i continue to scratch the tickle - annoying things these bickers...
Oh man.....This is turning into a corporate board meeting.
Perhaps it was not a good idea folks.
Heck, I think its good that we are communicating.
If evolution was easy, they'd call it "growing pleasures" rather than pains. - the book of laughingwillow -
lw
growth is fun afterwards when we all retire to the cavern forum and relax.
Yeah, sistah-mon.
lw
Wow :idea: --- Nitroburn has hit on something really significant IMHO.... The idea of dual admins... Something so seemingly simple.. It would appear that dual admins would be the perfect safeguard to the place crashing -n- burning if just one soul decides to go on permanent hiatus ala Eddy--------- ''Train kept a rollin all night long" :wink: .... {as an aside} Does anyone find it strange that there has not been so much as a peep from the absent Eddy? ? Seems as if he'd have to know people would at least want availability all that was stored in the ole archives etc.... Strikes me as a sort of careless.... 'Course, for all we all know, Eddy might have checked out in an auto accident or what have you :?: ---- senorsal
Winder, that was a very good post and I agree totally with what you said. I am comfortable with all the people who have been mentioned. I think we have a lot of depth in the field of possible administrators.
I suggest we decide on a few things.
1. How many admins are we going to have?
2. Will there be one person in charge who makes the final decision or will it be up to a commitee vote?
3. How will we select the administrator(s)? Who will get to vote, all present members including new ones, only those who were members of spf before or what?
My thoughts are that one person should be at the top to make the final decision. That does not rule out a board of directors. The board could be all mods, or the administrator, technical person plus site host or some other grouping.
A vote on potential administrator candidates would seem to be the most democratic method. I'm not running since I only recently was designated a mod and am not sure who to thank for that. Long time people such as the ones who have been mentioned, would seem to be the viable candidates. Are any of them interested? How about if we decide first what sort of structure we are going to have, then select a list of admin candidates and vote on them?
Who thinks we should have one admin who runs things and takes suggestions from members and mods? That's basicly the way Eddy did things. Who thinks we should have a board in addition to an administrator? What functions and powers would a board have if we went that direction? Should we have 2 administrators as senor and Nitro suggested? That would provide a backup if one was busy but what if they couldn't agree on something? Maybe the board could settle some administrative questions if they come up when the top admin is busy or away?
Stoney
this has long ago become a cartoonish thread, wasting and sapping the community's time...andy and nitro run the site as admins, this means that they have tech powers to fix stuff...the mods watch out for the forums...i'm in sort of a dual role to keep an eye on things...i dont see why this has to change...
i'm beginning to lose patience here...this site has been up for one month from the ashes of the old spf...we have over 100 members, a full slate of revived forums, mods, admins, and most of our regulars have returned in some form or other...
what is the problem then? i dont see one...i see discontent on the part of a very few and a lot of others trying to sympathize and respond...but i do not see a problem...
my tolerance for hand-wringing goes so far, then i start to get restless with it all...
i dislike even posting to this thread because it keeps it going...but i just want to say to you all, my brothers and sisters, that others are watching our new place here with admiration...we've got it up, going, let's figure out things like getting more aspects to it...maybe a enth documents library? interviews with leading figures? what else?
the leadership is more of a non-leadership, enough to keep an eye on the wheel but not really much more...between me andy and nitro you dont have enough czar to fill a tea cup...
eh...
You may well be growing tired of it,I myself feel the same, and have little to add except for this.
If Eddie were to show up tomorrow,I would leave. Between his public posts,and His pm`s to me, which I cannot disclose content, I have concluded that between what he did to the previous SPF,and the Donk,that he appeared to me a dishonest man.
If this offends anyone,too bad. I`m going on my experience, what I saw, and what I learned from him.
But we,in my book, have you now.I appreciatte that you say your hand will be light,and I, as an individual,among very many,can contribute.
There was a pretty good stopgap wisdom shown before,whensomebody was on their own,and Eddie ruled from chat(which he did,I clearly remember his post where if SPF were go go down,there still be chat.)
Not me.
I prefer to speak for and on the record. The forum should operated at that that level,in the open.
And Iappreciatte what you have done.May the wisdom of the long Run hold firm in your considerations.
Thankyou for this site.
thank you for being supportive and dont worry, good people have the keys to this SPF...if Eddy shows up, we'll find a way to work out a resolution, but that does not include going back...
but it's not about eddy at this point...it's about a sense of discontent i'm beginning to see is not widespread...people are generally happy with how things are...and want the stress to mellow out...
that is my wish too, as a member...i think if the drama goes on, it will be more and more apparent why...i hope it begins to dissipate...that would be best for all involved...
i'd rather be posting my anti-bush screeds than this frankly :twisted:
Oh, yeah cenacle.
The anti Bush seeds are certainly more worthwhile and they should be sown from the highest mountain tops to gently fall on fertile ground till they sprout and tower above the Bush walls of oppression. :lol:
quote cen: that is my wish too, as a member...i think if the drama goes on, it will be more and more apparent why...
Would you care to elaborate on the above statement, cen?
More appropriately, I would like you to elaborate, please.
lw
I've rethought my position, cen. Don't bother elaborating for my benefit.
We live in different worlds and its time ot get back to mine now.
lw
Oh, and one more thing.........
If you really think this site needs more women, I would recommend treating the ones who frequented spf on a REGULAR basis with a little more respect.
Judih was a daily visitor at spf. I'm sure she will do the same on your forums here. As long as you are the admin and have power to move the world, why not give a sistah the credit she deserves and make her the mod of your beloved library?
lw
hey, i heard my name.
(blush)
but, i don't need mod status. i trust the cenacle management implicitly in that literary realm.
thanks, lw. i'm old enough to remember when 'mod' meant Carnaby St.
j
No drama Cen.,it`s simply my respect for an individual who did the down and dirty,that is, who actually ran this site ,on eddies behalf. It did not go well for him or a concept of the right thing. This indivi. caught it from all sides. Rather nasty,
I will leave it there. Theres some cross currents,and my personal position is to be grateful,especially to you, and to accept ,..to a point, what might be questionable(LW did make a good suggestionthere,but I can`t speak for how the other individ feels)
You sure are not Eddie
You instead strike me as a good person, with some concepts.
I respect you,but I also respect lw.
So,I shut up and not do another post in this thread.
I'm thinking that maybe the "how to run things" threads are adequate. Gives everybody a place express opinions, if consensus or need for particular direction becomes clear it can be acted on.
I am one of those who are perfectly happy, indeed stoked, with the state of the site. It's so totally cool that it's existing. Yay!
All this discussion has been fascinating to me--I feel that I know some of you better, and I feel really good about being part of this. It's functional--wow. I've been continually impressed by the collegiality, the respect for others, the achievement of consensus, and the openness of discussion. It's like seeing under the hood.
Good job, everyone.
OK, so it's Andy, Nitro and cenacle who are running the site right now? I don't have any problem with that and am not trying to overturn anything myself. I doubt that any of us have a problem with it. That's as good as picking candidates and voting on them. My suggestion is to let them be listed with their titles. Up to now, we didn't know who was running things or I didn't anyway. Who has the final say so on things? Is it Andy since he is the site operator? That would seem to make sense.
If I'm out of line by asking these questions, then ok, but I don't see what's wrong with asking. I think its better to have stuff out in the open than make things a secret. Things seem to be going very well so far. I don't think anyone here is on a power trip or wants to dictate to the rest of us.
Stoney
Yeah, everything's cool, we're happy, we just like to talk about it.
Signed,
Satisfied Customer
or, Citizen of SPF Refuge
andy does have the final say, yage is his server that we are being hosted on...which is good, and secure, so no worries there...and andy is a genuinely cool, smart, responsive person, as good a chief dog as any sled could ask for...heh... 8)
Not to stray too far off topic but I think I want to say this and it's relevant.
I would like to envision a future when we have our own website on our own server one day again. Don't get me wrong, Yage.net rocks!....... I just have trouble accepting that this as our 'permanent' home so quickly. It's almost like we have been relegated to third shoe charity case. Maybe it's the though that we may get rights to at least the old web address again eventually. But what the hell do I know. Am I in the minority in this opinion?
personally, i am grateful as fuck for irish andy's offering spf a home at yage...i dont think about whether the site will crash or disappear and nobody to contact, and nothing to do about it...i see a lot of willing souls here participating to make it a community, and a site that is growing up again from a bad blow...spiritplants at yage, the forums and the radio, is in my mind a big step of from what we had in terms of security, and administrative responsiveness on the part of the host...
i understand and respect your sentiment, but ask you to at least consider the good fortune that has come this community's way...perhaps something will come along eventually that will present us with new choices of home...but i look at it like a person getting laid off or fired and then turns out his buddy needs someone to come work with him...call it what you will, the guy is better off than hustling desperate on the streets...
if nothing new occurs, the old address will be purchased in a few months...and we'll have to see what happens along the way...
Yeah, I see where your coming from Cen. It's just............ this site is Yage.net Not Spiritplants.com or .org. (I know, silly argument huh.) It's just it's set up and essentially owned by some guy I know nothing about...... who as far as I know, didn't participate or have any significant interest in the original SP forum to speak of....that is, I don't recall him ever posting there anyways. In brass tax, what are his underlying longterm motives? Ownership?
I guess I just liked spiritplants as it was, a seperate and unique entity.... no affiliations only mild suspicions of assosiation.
........ or am I just nuts.
....... and want to see the pheonix rise from the fire
i've known andy for several years now...you may not know this but he has been hosting spf radio for over a year now...he has come to spf chat for many years...when spf went down, and i talked to him about the idea of hosting a temporary site at least, he had the new spf up within 24 hours...he may be new to you, but i can vouch for him fully, as a good person and a trustworthy person...i understand how the old spf bears sentiments in our hearts, but the fact is that it went down with still no explanation, and even before that it has been little administered for a long time...this man who you don't know yet has gifted this community with a chance for re-birth and continuance...
i will leave it at that, time will show things to be what they are...all i can say is, it was my idea for yage to host spf, and i would not have proposed it to andy if i did not implicitly trust him and believe he could and would do this rightly...nearly two months along, do you have any reason to doubt? :)
so, uhh, cen, what are the operating costs for SPR with yage.net?
Dendro: that will depend on how greedy on bandwidth and cpu useage the site is (reminds me to re-size my pics). Right now, Andy is just hosting it for free but its very small still. I imagine when we get the full spf archive back (which i am still cofident of) it would become an expense we can all share.
Avery: we can have the old spf back one day, looking same as ever, cept hosted by yage instead of eddy's company 'jetservers' ..it will still be the old spiritplants.com and the host will be no more obvious than it ever was.
I also have 100% confidence in irish andy, as do the users of the growing number of entheo-related sites hosted by yage.
I see whe are moved over to spiritplants.org now. Thanks!...... love the new gallery too.
Yes thanks for the great gallery:)
The status of the site is growing everyday, I appreciate all the help and patience everyones had.
Hopefully were to figure out what the next step should be , to gain a hand on the spiritplants.com indeed.
Cheers White Shadow
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