Anyone have any experience with this?
I started using this as an experiment to see if SSRIs might be helpful in dealing with my tendency to depression. Way sooner than I expected to feel anything, I began to feel fundementaly different. I seem to have the abiluty to break out of some self defeating patterns that have hurt me most of my adult life.
It's been a month or so now, and I am still struggling a bit but I seem to be on fairly positive ground.
Anyone else tried this?
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Yes, it does work and I swear by it, but it also makes a person's skin more sensitive to sunlight and therefore easier to get skin cancer. So I would be careful to sun exposure, but all in all it is a good herb for depression and other maladies.
Did you have any trouble regulating your dose? Too much and I get all spacey and unmotivated, too little and I am back in the pit.
How much did you take?
That depends if you are taking flowers or foliage. The flowers are more potent than the foliage I find. Yes, I did have troubles with regulating if it was from different plants. I have never had a spacy problem, but each person is different and so is each plant. I would take about one gram a day from the same plant that I had dried massive amounts of all at the same time. This way all of the foliage would be quite close in strength. Everytime I had to get more or from a different plant I always did 500 mg and worked my way up to determine potency.
St. Johns gives a fast effect on how you feel. You see things more positives. This effect is proven.
However we dont yet know if it have the true anti-depressive effect, that is allowing hypothalamus to grow back to its original size.
That certainly has been my experience, I see some real differences.
What I am taking is just standardized areial parts, does that mean everything above the ground? Right now I take about 4 300 mg caps a day.
Quote from: "JRL"That certainly has been my experience, I see some real differences.
What I am taking is just standardized areial parts, does that mean everything above the ground? Right now I take about 4 300 mg caps a day.
The best way to take them 3 times a day.
The dose you take are the one that usually are recommended on the package. If it gives you a good effect keep with it. But you can also go up to 3 * 2 * 300 mg.
St Wort can make the effect of alcohol a lot better. Not that you get more drunk, but it feels nicer :P So be careful if you drink a lot so you dont start drinking even more.
The affect St Wort can decrease with time. Increasing the dose can work.
My theory of working is acctually that you have aromatic oil in it, like safrol and the rest.
Not surpricing if my theory is correct St Wort mix good with lacorse and they can be used together for depression or cronical tiredness.
QuoteYes, it does work and I swear by it, but it also makes a person's skin more sensitive to sunlight.
Yes. A friend used St. Johns Wort for depression to apparently good effect, but claimed she got charred when out in the sun, even with repeated liberal applications of SPF 30 sunblock.
A few years ago, I began taking St. Johns (3 X standard dose suggested on the bottle)... I was fighting a depressed state that had me ready to quit my job.... The first thing I noticed was that I began having a load of a fun time dreaming. St. Johns is reported to give some people alot of night terrors and bad dreams... I dunno 'bout that, as I usually go years without remembering a dream.... After taking the wort a couple weeks; it was if my "dream switch" had been turned on inside my mind... I now have a normal dream life such as others speak about.... As far a controlling depression, I found the effect real, but fairly subtle... Maybe 1/4 the efficacy of the standard Zoloft I had been on.... Might I also say, Salvia is the greatest thing I ever found for depression!!! Prolly saved my life actually...................... sal
I found that if I took too much I would start speeding after a few days or a week. I forget how much I took but it was the double strength tabs about 5 or 6 a day or so. It wasn't bad, good for working and so on but it can allow you to push yourself too hard sometimes. It's good stuff.
Quote from: "Stonehenge"I found that if I took too much I would start speeding after a few days or a week. I forget how much I took but it was the double strength tabs about 5 or 6 a day or so. It wasn't bad, good for working and so on but it can allow you to push yourself too hard sometimes. It's good stuff.
Another argument for my theory 8)
Do you not see similarities with ginger, licorse and calamus. It do affect nor-adrenalin for sure I think...
Most people with real depression I think it is quite useless, but I do think that most people eating SSRI for otherthings than anxiety would have more use of St. Worts :lol:
I tried growing it (twice) outside, but it never bloomed enough to try it (I wanted to grow it myself, but I suppose standardized is best) I may try to grow it indoors next.
Sorry, no help just idle musing...
j :roll:
Quote from: "jikuhchagi"I tried growing it (twice) outside, but it never bloomed enough to try it (I wanted to grow it myself, but I suppose standardized is best) I may try to grow it indoors next.
Sorry, no help just idle musing...
j :roll:
I had the same problem.
I live in southern Lousyana and St Johns wort loves this place. I have had no problems growing it or flowering it, but we have mild winters and very humid year round. (great for tropicals) I am kinda old fashioned and use my own homegrown and that is why my procedure of taking it is different from others I guess.
One thing I have noticed is that if I miss a dose I quickly become extremely depressed and zoned. Anyone else have this?
You could get that effect. Now I dont know how fast you are talking about, but if it is fast as say < 3 - 4 hours you might think about increasing the dose a bit.
That's what I was thinking
The very best thing for depression is salvia divinorum. What you want is a dose below a tripping dose. Just enough that you feel a mild buzz for a few minutes. I can get probably 10 doses from a gram of leaf. I use plain but potent leaf and have a lifetime supply. After about an hour you feel 100% better. The benefits last for up to a couple weeks though some people need it every day. It increaces dreaming as well. LW was a big fan of it. Most people I tell about it won't even try it. Too bad because it works great.
:D Awwwright! Someone else has finally rung in on what I have been harping about for years..... I totally agree with Stoney in that you only need a sub-journey amount to experience the benefits... I normally just roll up a small joint of Sally and take three or four hits. This gives me better results than either the horrible Zoloft took years ago, or, the pretty effective Buproprion I dicontinued because Sally is just as effective by herself............. All Hail The Green Godess :D ------------ sal
Well I am gonna have to try that!!
Huh......... interesting. I kinda lost interest in salvia years back, except intellectually and every now and then. Am gonna have to look into that a little more closer now. Didn't know people where hyping it's anti-depression properties. Am kinda skepticle of stuff like that ever since my failed daily mushroom diet.
I also agree with stoney. LW loved the stuff and it is the only entheogen I care to or do. She can be a life saver when used correctly and with the right person for the right reasons.
PS please come back LW!!! A lot of us miss ya here. :cry:
tried salvia last night, worked as advertised.
Glad you liked her. I find she always made me happy for a long time after I did her. Like I said she just likes to be used for the right reasons.
just a quick note: SJW will cause birth control pill to be metabolised faster and thus the pill may become ineffective...
jus a lil side point to mention..
on sally, have noticed a nice glow after use, same sorta thing as other psychadelics are said to have... i think tho, it looks like sally has the benefit of more frequent usability w/out any great mal-effects to health or mind..
Great to hear you were gifted with good health bro JRL :D --- I just get such a charge out of hearing of other peoples success with the (IMHO) literal healing properties of Sally.... I also agree with vis that Salvia does indeed seem to offer benefit as far as usuage and toxicity parameters go...... "Dance Green Damsel Dance 8) -------- sal
Yeah man. It really feels like an allie in the truest sense of the word.
Just smoked twice in two days and i feel better then i have since I don't know when.
I really feel a presence there. Green godess indeed. Praise nature, this sure is a mysterious universe we dwell in.
Yeah, sally is great. It just amazes me though how many people won't even try it. I've been preaching sally for quite a while now and have won only a handful of converts. Once they try it, they are sold on it. It's just hard as hell to get most people to try. Soon as they hear the word "hallucinogen" they won't touch it with a 10' pole. Even depressed stoners sometimes won't try it. They tell me they "know" it won't work. Loser attitudes like that would give anyone depression.
If I was seriously depressed, and all depression is serious, I'd sure try it. Being depressed takes away enjoyment of life. People kill themselves over depression but they won't try sally, most of them. What is that saying?: you can lead a horse to water...
It really seems to be working, and the effect lasts. I bet when the big drug companys figure this out their lobbyists will get busy.
Quote from: "Stonehenge"Yeah, sally is great. It just amazes me though how many people won't even try it. I've been preaching sally for quite a while now and have won only a handful of converts. Once they try it, they are sold on it. It's just hard as hell to get most people to try. Soon as they hear the word "hallucinogen" they won't touch it with a 10' pole. Even depressed stoners sometimes won't try it. They tell me they "know" it won't work. Loser attitudes like that would give anyone depression.
If I was seriously depressed, and all depression is serious, I'd sure try it. Being depressed takes away enjoyment of life. People kill themselves over depression but they won't try sally, most of them. What is that saying?: you can lead a horse to water...
So how do you dose it?
A general observation though is that a compound that affect the mind as clear as SD, are said to be an effective anti-depressive medicin and have a nice story around it, probably would be rather good as anti-depressive medicin no mather of which compound we would choose.
I read not long ago that laughing gas now are used against certain types of depression.
Yeah N20 is a very effective anti-anxietal........ to bad it kills brain cells wholesale. It's also know for it's amnesiatic properties. What's it called again? Hippie crack?
>So how do you dose it?
You have to find your own dose. 2 or 3 tokes of good leaf will do the job for me. Some people might need more. Experiment with it and find the right dose for you. If you feel much better an hour later, you found the dose.
And no, it's not just the same as many other things like NO2 or something like that. Salvia is unique.
Man oh man, :roll: this topic sure did get off topic really fast. I agree with Stoney in the fact that Sally is different as she is an ally in this world and not just a mere psyhadelic party drug or a pick-me-upper. Everybody's dose is different and she responds differently to each person. Sally also has the nice attribute of reverse tolerance and I have gotten to where if I do smoke it (very very very rare) only one hit is needed of plain leaf. Most people that dose is much higher especially if one is new to Sally. Well, I think I have said enough about my thought of Sally in a forum that is supposed to be about the anti-depressive actions of St. Johns Wort. :shock:
No worries about off topic. This has been very helpful.
Cool 8) Ain't Sally the best girfriend a guy could have in the World!
I am starting to think so, I feel her with me all the time
I know with Sally, I feel like I have meditated for hours after using her. My buisness partner and I have noticed that when we are around our plants after dosing as we tend to them, it is like we can hear their thoughts. Like subconcious thoughts that somehow you know are not your own. I know the first time I tried TSTT's Sally back at my house, I had both my cats sitting with me and we must have carried on quite a good conversation that lasted for hours after dosing. Even the next day the cats were more "clingy" and I knew instictivly what they wanted. I think now that what Sally does for us, is to dial us in with the world around us. Heck, the ancient legends talk of how we used to talk with the animals and be protectors of this earth just like the Native Americans, but somehow we lost that ability and I believe that Sally shows us how to get back to our roots. One thing I am certain of is that I love her, the longer our relationship continues. I mean at first she was a little unpredictable and even sometimes down right harsh (I guess this is why I call her a feamle), but that eeventually changed into pure respect and love for each other. Well, I guess enough of the hippie talk, before someone here realizes how crazy I truly am. :wink:
damn hippies! :P
Love
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Quote from: "dergheist"I know with Sally, I feel like I have meditated for hours after using her. My buisness partner and I have noticed that when we are around our plants after dosing as we tend to them, it is like we can hear their thoughts. Like subconcious thoughts that somehow you know are not your own. I know the first time I tried TSTT's Sally back at my house, I had both my cats sitting with me and we must have carried on quite a good conversation that lasted for hours after dosing. Even the next day the cats were more "clingy" and I knew instictivly what they wanted. I think now that what Sally does for us, is to dial us in with the world around us. Heck, the ancient legends talk of how we used to talk with the animals and be protectors of this earth just like the Native Americans, but somehow we lost that ability and I believe that Sally shows us how to get back to our roots. One thing I am certain of is that I love her, the longer our relationship continues. I mean at first she was a little unpredictable and even sometimes down right harsh (I guess this is why I call her a feamle), but that eeventually changed into pure respect and love for each other. Well, I guess enough of the hippie talk, before someone here realizes how crazy I truly am. :wink:
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yeh, i find personally, most psycadellics have a good after glow to them, after the come down period and the like, like blowing out a few cobwebs or sumpin, sally is great, n20 also, used to use it occasionally as a 'reset switch' worked great to reset thew mood to a happy at ease start point, great when your a bit down or angry... too ba dit got recently banned for resale over here...
I ordered dried SALVIA DIVINORUM leaves from www.botanicmagic.com (http://www.botanicmagic.com)
I tried chewing them, nothing happened. I smoke them with a pipe, and nothing happened either. Was I ripped off?
Please advice
It's possible you got ripped off.... It's a;so possible you are what is known as a Salvia hardhead, and will take either the stronger extracts to feel effects, OR, you will have to wita awhile until you experience the fabled "reverse tolerance effect"..... Google Erowid and read up on these and other sites . Learn all you can about this great plant teacher.... Do keep us posted as to your journeys...... sal
I have been struggling a lot with psychological anger control disorder and bouts of depression for the majority of my young life up until I started taking herbal supplements (St. John, Valarian root, chronic) now I am off the meds I was on for both PACD and depression none of which was working for me anyway. I have yet to try salvia but plan to jump on the bandwagon to explore it's fore-told healing properties.
Many thanks to the forums for listening and sharing
welcome windandrain.
Feel free to tread these grounds with careful abandon or reckless restraint, which ever you prefer. We're easy.
Sally is in a class of her own. You'll know when you get there.....
lw
Quote from: "Stonehenge"I found that if I took too much I would start speeding after a few days or a week. I forget how much I took but it was the double strength tabs about 5 or 6 a day or so. It wasn't bad, good for working and so on but it can allow you to push yourself too hard sometimes. It's good stuff.
St John's wort is a mild MAOI, so it can be effected by things that have been eaten before, or while, taking it. Therefore dietary tyramines and phenylalanine may have caused the stimulant effect. Serotonin, 5-HTP or melatonin taken along wit St. John's wort would tend to cause a sedative effect.