Anybody have any success incorporating these into daily diets? Was talking to a friend who takes piratacem supliments........ sais it works. He also mentioned a new one coming around derived from geraniums or some such.
I consider coffee to be a good mental stimulant, but nootropics are a field of medicine I have little knowledge of.
so I went to my Doctor, and said "man I don't know about these smart drugs you prescribed, I'm starting to think you're a quack."
He said. "See, they're working already!"
shiggety, shiggety, shiggety, bang!
Piracetam is great stuff. Some of those smart drugs are good, some are not so good. It depends on the person, I think, but piracetam is gold. It makes everything better.
Well I broke down and bought a tub of this piracetam. (700grams/$20)..... any suggestions on a dosage strategy?
I have read somewhere that people see effects around 2400mg/day in three spaced doses, and that the potency of piracetam can be increased dramatically with huperizine, which is expensive and prescription, I believe. An individual referenced in the article I read reported that 1/4mg huperizine with 300mg piracetam was sufficient for his needs.
http://www.ceri.com/noot.htm (http://www.ceri.com/noot.htm)
I take piracetam, bacopa, and DMAE (not to mention bee pollen and spirulina) daily and find it quite satisfying.
That's bacopa monnieri, btw.
The dosage of pir is variable. Some people take up to 5gm a day. Others like myself use about 1.25gm a day and that's plenty. It's great stuff, you appreciate music more, your memory is better and you are able to think of words and things more easily. It helps the left and right hemispheres of the brain communicate.
I also take brahmi (bacopa) and some other things. It takes a couple weeks to get the full effect of pir but I noticed it after a few days. It's sort of like being stoned all the time except you are more alert and capable instead of less. The stoned feeling wears off after a few months but you still feel the benefit. If you use other drugs you will find you need less of them to get the same effect. I've been told this is true of alcohol, pot and a few other things.
Im still not sure what Nootropics are. Are they good for you?
Rife
It has recently been suggested to me to add fish oil supliments to my list of dailys.......... though, I think I've prolly got enough mercury in my diet as it is. :D
Fish oil bennefits Quote:
Heralded for its heart-healthy actions, fish oils offer high concentrations of polyunsaturated fats called omega-3-fatty acids. While all fish contain these fats, cold-water fish--salmon, sea bass, tuna, trout, mackerel--are particularly rich sources because of their diet: plankton packed with omega-3s. Interestingly, the colder the water, the more omega-3s in the plankton. Cold-water fish also boast the most potent forms of omega-3s: the essential fatty acids known as eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA) and docosahexanoic acid (DHA). Consumed as part of a fish-filled diet or in supplement form, omega-3s have myriad healing powers.
Health Benefits
Scientists are constantly discovering new health benefits for fish oils and their essential fatty acids (EFAs, including omega-3s). In addition to their more notable properties as heart-healing substances, there's evidence that these fatty acids ease menstrual cramps and the pain and heavy bleeding of endometriosis. Omega-3s may even aid mental disorders such as schizophrenia. Preliminary findings in people with manic depression (bipolar disorder) link fish oil supplementation to fewer mood swings. Some experts even contend that the rising tide of depression in the United States can be traced to the increasingly fish-poor diet people tend to follow.
Specifically, fish oils may help to:
Prevent and treat cardiovascular disease, including complications of high blood pressure. Several years ago scientists discovered why Greenland Eskimos suffer little heart disease despite their high-fat diets: They eat a lot of cold water fish. Closer examination revealed that it was the omega-3s in the fish that were protecting the hearts of these far-north inhabitants. Subsequent research revealed that the omega-3s discourage platelets in the blood from clumping together, reducing the risk that blood will clot and cause a heart attack. The omega-3s also ease strain on the heart and reduce the risk for angina (chest pain) by, among other things, reducing high blood pressure, keeping arteries flexible (they control inflammation within artery walls), lowering LDL ("bad") cholesterol and triglycerides (blood fats), and possibly even raising HDL ("good") cholesterol. Now there's evidence that omega-3s can prevent heart-rhythm abnormalities (arrhythmias). In a large, recently published Lancet study, fish oil supplements (1 gram a day) significantly reduced the incidence of arrhythmias in heart attack survivors. There were many fewer deaths (and deaths from heart problems specifically) as a result.
Prevent certain cancers. Anticancer actions have been identified in omega-3s, with some recent studies reporting that even small amounts of fish (as part of the diet) can reduce the risk for colon, breast, prostate, and other cancers.
Treat rheumatoid arthritis. Joint stiffness and swelling caused by this painful condition may lessen because of the inflammation-fighting actions of omega-3s. Some sufferers find that they can even get by with lower doses of conventional medications. In one recent study, participants taking fish oil supplements daily for 12 weeks or more noticed that they were experiencing less morning stiffness and had fewer tender joints. Improvements increased even more after 18 to 24 weeks of taking fish oil supplements, with the benefit lingering for up to 8 weeks after the supplements were stopped.
Control diabetes. Nerve problems and heart disease are complications of this chronic condition. Fish oils may help by preventing nerve damage and possibly raising HDL ("good") cholesterol. On a basic, cellular level they may also improve the body's metabolic use of its own insulin.
Ease symptoms of lupus, psoriasis and eczema. In people with lupus, omega-3s appear to control inflammation in the joints, skin, kidneys, and other body tissues. Those suffering from psoriasis or eczema may find that the angry, itchy patches common to these ailments respond to treatment with fish oils after about a month. Interestingly, research indicates that psoriasis sufferers tend to have low levels of omega-3s.
Minimize Crohn's disease symptoms. This often painful bowel condition tends to flare up and then subside in cycles over time. When taken long term for preventive purposes, the essential fatty acids in fish oils will keep inflammation in the digestive tract under control. In a recent Italian study, fish oil supplements (about 3 grams in enteric-coated form a day) significantly reduced the number of flare-ups in Crohn's disease sufferers. All of the study participants were initially in remission but had signs of inflammation. By the end of the study, nearly 70% of the participants given a placebo had a relapse while only about 30% of those taking the fish oils capsules did.
Delay the onset of Raynaud's disease symptoms. Omega-3s inhibit inflammation within vessels, making fish oils potentially useful in stalling the numbness, tingling, and other symptoms resulting from exposure to cold air. One placebo-controlled study of 32 Raynaud's sufferers found that fish oil supplements slowed the appearance of such bothersome symptoms by an average of 15 minutes (often enough time to allow sufferers to avoid painful symptoms by getting to a warm place).
Note: Fish oils have also been found to be useful for a number of other disorders. For information on these additional ailments, see our Dosage Recommendations Chart for Fish Oils
Very interesting Avery! I will be sure to eat some more of my little water friends.
Fish oil is very good for you. Nootropics are also good for you. They have health benefits as well as improving your memory, concentration, energy and so on. In order to be classified as a nootropic, a substance has to be totally non toxic and also be neuroprotective. That means it protects the brain and nervous system. That's just for starters and then it has to show a benefit. Other very good nootropics are
acetyl l carnosine
vinpocetine
alpha lipoic acid
The acetyl l carnosine (alcar) gives me energy. It improves the action of the mitochondria which are the energy factories in the cells. Doctors are beginning to find that mitochondria function is directly related to aging and loss of function makes us older. There are other factors as well such as cross linking, shortening of telomeres and so on but many nootropics are antiaging drugs as well and make you live longer.
I think you meant acetyl carnitine.
I am taking alpha-lipoic acid and acetyl carnitine now.
We'll know in 20 years how it did for the anti-aging.
Certainly the MSM, chodroitin, and glucosamine are making a difference in how my hands feel.
Winder wrote:
>I think you meant acetyl carnitine.
No, I meant acetyl L carnitine, hence the short name alcar. Do a search on google for it. Not a biggie, I believe you will only find the "l" form.
>I am taking alpha-lipoic acid and acetyl carnitine now.
How much of each do you take, what effects have you noticed?
>Certainly the MSM, chodroitin, and glucosamine are making a difference in how my hands feel.
Those are great for arthritis, best there is especially the glu/chon
Man that piracetam tastes nasty.
Giche! Gonna have to start mixing this with cranberry juice or something.
That alpha-lipoic looks promising. Obviously I've still got alot of research to do.
Am personally not currently really interested in lengthening my life with anti-aging drugs or anything like that. I truly dislike having to even take pills on a daily basis, but it sure is appealing to have a healthy and vibrant brain carried through to my old age. Is my single greatest asset.
Well, I've been taking this piracetam for a week now, five grams twice a day to build up an initial concentration of it. Have definitely noticed a difference in cognition, kinda like what caffeine does for me without the excessive physical stimulation. Don't know how to describe it otherwise. I mean, I don't feal smarter or anything, I feal as if I can concentrate a little better perhaps. And I haven't really felt any of the usual mental fatigue I normally might experience sometime in the day, like if I have too much sugar. Or any negative side effects other than the nasty taste.
Their deffinitely appears to be something to it anyways........ though I suppose it all could just be in my head too. Ha! Will prolly be able to tell better the effects after a month or so.
Well with the -cetams, you want to take a break after about a month or two of a week to two weeks. You can check :
http:///www.imminst.org
for more information...
Om Mani Padme Hum!
nice link Rhodo,
I've been finding my nootropic info at 1fast400 (I'd post a link, but it's a semi-commercial site.)
10 grams a day is a huge amount. I would cut back soon as you started feeling something. It sort of sneaks up on you, it's not something obvious until you know what it is and then you can feel it easy. I take one day a week off from noots. It seems to work.
Yeah, I cut back to 1.5-2grams a day..... the 10 was just a successfull attempt at initial loading. I haven't taken a day off yet, but it sounds like a good idea to skip the weekends for sure.
On a side note, I've sure noticed I can't drink as much coffee as I normally do...... it just seems too easy to get over stimulated with the overall stack I've got going. I get so stimulated with the addition of coffee, I just about have to about go take a nap. :D
Yes, it seems to make other drugs more effective. Wait until you are listening to some music and slip into a state close to extacy. You may think you discovered a great new group until you see it's one you heard before. Wait until you have a conversation and are able to think of all the things on the spot that you usually don't think of until later. It helps hand eye coordination, helps with multitasking, etc. You will notice your mood improve overall. You can still get in a bad mood if you allow events to get to you but it tends to make you enjoy the moment. It will still be kicking in for months.
Ive been told that people who don't get much reaction at higher doses of piracetam, like over a couple grams, should try smaller doses. Sometimes larger doses make the person sleepy or feel nothing. Small doses even as small as 100mg sometimes work better for them. Those who got very little from it should try smaller amounts.
Quote from: "Stonehenge"Yes, it seems to make other drugs more effective. Wait until you are listening to some music and slip into a state close to extacy. You may think you discovered a great new group until you see it's one you heard before. Wait until you have a conversation and are able to think of all the things on the spot that you usually don't think of until later. It helps hand eye coordination, helps with multitasking, etc. You will notice your mood improve overall. You can still get in a bad mood if you allow events to get to you but it tends to make you enjoy the moment. It will still be kicking in for months.
After taking piracetam for a while now, I'd say that statement is pretty right on. I find that all true, particularly the part about making drugs more effective. I find I'm markedly more sensative to just about everything. Coffee, alchohol, exc. I think this stuff is a winner.
All right! :D Glad to hear it worked out for you. Piracetam is definately a winner. Do you still get the stoned feeling? I'm kind of used to it after all this time but it's there in the background. It's wierd to feel stoned yet your memory is good and you are able to talk well and function well. Kind of the opposite of what we usually associate with a stoned feeling. Give it a try folks.
Quote from: "Stonehenge"Do you still get the stoned feeling? I'm kind of used to it after all this time but it's there in the background. It's wierd to feel stoned yet your memory is good and you are able to talk well and function well.
I don't think I've ever really noticed much of that. I mean, I'm kinda usually out there anyways, so maybe I'm not really in tune for it. But I've read reports from others observations on different boards about that same thing with piracetam.
Just ordered some sulbutiamine, looks interesting. Anybody have any experience with this one.
p.s....... still love that piracetam. Good stuff.
just a quick note, just because its called a nootropic, doesnt mean its safe, in theory it should be but there arnt always appropriate PEER REVIEWED toxicological data oon substances, esp new ones....
also because there is no regulation on what can be called a nootropic, ive seen GHB listed as a nootropic before.. just be sure to do the research before trying anything new.. but same goes for pharmas too..
i know im sounding like an old man, preaching the most obvious, but wouldnt want to see anyone hurt themselves unintentionally..
piracetam looks interesting, may have to look into it..
piracetam is so... old school, y'know?
(maybe i'll pop one r two with a li'l "4-thought" (a brand name multi w/dmae & select aminos) from "country life" products) for a boost right now... heh)
hey, if i could add 10 r 20 points to my IQ i'd be a danger to myself & others, yee-haw...
:wink:
Piracetam has been tested for 40 some years and has no toxicity. It seems to work best with a choline source. Seems to work for me.
Quote from: "Stonehenge"Piracetam is great stuff. Some of those smart drugs are good, some are not so good. It depends on the person, I think, but piracetam is gold. It makes everything better.
since i got on this forum this morning, i took 1600 of piracetam, and some ginko.
10mgs 2,5-methoxy,4-methylphenethylamine hcl will keep you focused and fascinated with the subject of your interest improving acquisition and retention of knowledge. As well as loosen up the verbiage (that's really a fuckin word? spellcheck is weird) and allow you to elucidate your perspective with ease.
peace
Shakti
vinpocetine is really good, and is derived form periwinkle, and works alot like ginko, and alwos for more blodd flow to the brain and helps other drugs get through the bloode brain brarear, so its good with 5 htp, or s j wort, or kanna, or kratom, or E,) ,
it also has an erotic effect to the ears, so much blood flow, like the first time i hit a bong, toasted, so music as well is better, and head rubs,
L Dopa is good and was used by robin williams to cure some parlasis disease, the drug helping th person break through the loop, its a dopamine percureser and acts as a cognitave enhancer and does increase dopamine levels so its good for weel being, in fact im gonna take son vinpocitine and l dopa right now, i notice immeta effects, esecially when vipoc is used to, but over time you can cycle of and it stays with you like ginseng, it helps produce human growth hormone as well , the dopa, thats why robin willams used it in that movie i fried the name of, :smoke:3
pircitam does make everything better, and undos the thing that alcohal did to your brain ! it makes that dull amnesia go away, and i dont yet have personal experince, but there are alot of reports popping up on erowid latley, from e , to some 2c's, to even mush, that a genral effectg of crystal clear feelings, fractal reality, brillent technocolor from drugs and dosages the useres reprot never ever prodcued such effects, most as well stated that a brillant tone of clarty accpomanied the intense visual, or Ephoria, i must say im excited, i jsut ordered a bunch more, i took it a few summers ago to undo what i did to my brain with alchohol and i must say i did really work, not drinking helped too, but something definatly came back once the dull amensia was cleansed
i to would like to reiterat that drugs are never drugs, and some of these things are serious,
such as phenbuit, or phenylbute
is an gaba recpetor agnotist or something, but its good to replace alchol and if you take enough its like a drunking roll, but once it took it, reading a reports and such and fund info that said it was ok, so, packing up to see gnarls barkly for free at the minnsota sate fair, i brought phenyly bute, as a supply, with kratom, and two beers in a nalgeene, frist 5 grams down the hatch, enojy the fair, with my girl, who is just sunshine on this day, effects kicking in inhibition diminishing, drink a beer, ride some rides, evrything is golden, firends arvie, time for pre show, sitting in bush, drinking beer, smoking reffer, and have a jolly fucking time, im ready, i start sucking on a lollopop, tottsie pop to be exact, walking into the show, and im the grand master of pimp champions, the show rocks, friends, jamming,
existintial dred once again broken and depresion subdued,
10 mints after the showe over, it gets gooy, all of a soundend is start fading in ad out, and i can tell its keepin on gettin bad and it s excelrating, go to the bathroom and try to puke, puke, i do, and i stand up and my legs are phalced , i make my way to the mirror and i look fucked up, like ive been slipped a serious ruff, and we walk the midway to get back to the car, and all the lights, the whole time a farily decent euphuria was pulling me through and keeping my cool, at one point htough i had to comunicate to my girl, that i had to go now, and the other folks were taklking about what to do , and only my girl new what i had been up to, and i ditn want to freek out my firends, so were standing around, it its like the fair was a dirama, and some kid picking it up and down, and spinning ti all around, all those midd way lights, and the cops stading their, like ten feet from us liking for under age drinkig, i got complete vertigo and im leaning in a light pull, bad gets worse, pouring rain girl drives home, im fucked, i keep having to heeve my self forward and open my eyes as wide as possible, cause i was passing out, and i knew i wanted not that dark sleep, and i had to tell my gril where to go, pourinf rain,
make it home, im a prmordial larv, i cnt get of teh floor, to much spining, this was the booz spins to the 10th power, throwing up this yelly fluid, and white bile, cant drink or eat a thing , this is the hard ride out,
no sleep just floping and slushing, this wis like talking an abian and drinking a bottle of cough syrup, no joke, some how, im still glowing from the show, and manage to make love,
next day, still complet vertigo, no sleep, no getting up, i gett ambistions, i get up, and fall over, still no fluids, to set on not going to the doctor,but im a bout to, throwing up in a jolting way this white bile that feels like its wrtching form bowls or kidneys, this is weird pukeing, the hard, legal, phenlybute ......
next night same stroy ,
in mid moring, i sleep for the first time, have the worst and most complicated and high def dream, terrible, wake up trenched in forzen sweat, fall asleep, same dream, its a really place of torment,
i wasnt a afraid to dy but that is the most fucked ive been, sersouly, ambian and dxm, fucked
around day 3 i ate food and drank tons of water, by day 5 the vertigo was gone and id say i was once again concious
the whole 2 day my girl did some really research and went ot all the sites she could, and read ot lot, while rithed and gigled, about why phenyl bute should never be mixed with any amout of achol, and one should only use 2 grams ate a time, she like read this stuff for hours, finding mnaufacutrer warnings and shit
either ither
SHIT MAN<
gotta watch that
Well, I stopped taking piracetam about six months ago just to check my point of refference. I'd have to say, it made a difference. Though I'll be staying away from choline bitartrate. That stuff gave me mad energy but I think it messed with my dopamine levels a little too much.