Hey, kids.
I just logged in this afternoon and am troubled by the current direction of this site. I guess I was hoping for something more in line with our old haunts. However, this matter appears to be none of my bidness. So I'd be interested in communicating with other like-minded community members ready to make an effort at building a home in the spirit of spf.
Please feel free to pm me for my email addy.
lw
Who, what, where?......... I guess I don't see it. Care to spell it out for me?
What's this I hear about 13 year olds and talk of illegal activities?
We've got a new mj forum. And the last I read, one need only be 13 to register here, unless that's been changed. Anyway, a site with trade forum as well as one for an illegal activity such as smoking da kine is no place for me. That's what I liked about spf. Also, I read the boards daily and don't remember any public discussion about an mj forum. I'm guessing it was a chat thang.
lw
I see where your coming from I guess. I'm sure these are finer details that can be worked out though. I don't mind a little change so much. It'd be nice to talk frankly about cannabis really, but come to think of it, it's such a rather common botanical subject that it might distract from the original and real focus of a spiritplants forum........ if simply by conotation. So yeah.
As for the kid thing, age is ridiculously easy to fake online. Just simply clicking on an I'm over 18 button at the end of the membership agreement does it for most sites. (hell, I'm only 12 :D ) But I don't think it's unreasonable to at least include an age clause on a site such as this one......... due to the serious subject matter discussed. It's kinda an arbitrary point IMO. But others may have stronger views than me.
I'm sure Andy and Cen and the rest of the people that have been very kind to donate their time setting this up here are willing to listen to constructive criticism........ no need for haste. Am sure this thread will be read and responded too appropriately.
Just think, once the spiritplants.org thing happens, we'll prolly have to go through similiar birthing pains.
Andy, if we have to go through this again, let's keep dialogues open right now and right here.
The new mj cafe - did it come up in chat? If so, it would be good to bring chat ideas into the forum - it was said that active members don't all get to the chat room but want to be in on the discussion.
With the present administration in the country south of the Great Lakes, hosting a forum based on an illegal substance seems like a fish hook for harassment. Or is there a change in atmosphere?
The age limit is way too young, and also has a tinge of illegality about it.
Let's talk about this.
judih
yeah, lets talk ...
what guides the age-limit?
Trade Winds was a forum at the old site too...
...cannabis is legal some places and about to be so in others, i don't have a problem with a forum for it and ummm ... well ... salvia is illegal in aussie but we've got a forum for that too ...
i don't see any consistency here
:?
QuoteWe've got a new mj forum
No no no. Utterly unnecessary, and not like what SPF was or should be.
X. Torris
Posted way enough tonite so I will keep it short.
One, there is plenty of cannibis forums out there. I personally believe it to be an entheogen ,but appropiatte here? now? Why?
Just asking for trouble. I can`t...yes I can Mushrooms were included in the old site. Might review the status of that also. Prolly piss some people off,sorry. But that was no problem for me, for I avoided that forum,for the personal reason that simply put,I don`t like mushrooms,they are not my ally. I mean no insult to those who they are. I go another direction...
So LW, that might of been considered also,mushrooms also being highly illlegal...
But one thing you are dead right about. 13 years of age? No way. This is for the advancement of ones concoiusness, not messing up little kids. Very ,very wrong.
And finally, this was poss. all worked out in chat? Mabe more people need to contribute.
MABE!
Finally ,though I do not Know LW at all, I have for the most part, a rather high respect for him,as I do JRL,mostly gained by early lurking. .I think overall his judgement has always proven good,when it concerned SPF. I`d listion now.
Not being a kissass, Iv`enever have really talked to him,no personal whatever.. But I would listion.
I am a fan,
of no Marry Jane vans,
parking out front
of Spirit Plants For Them (forum).
The at times absurd strictness that hovered over SPF was, in my O' pinion, a great thing.
Not censorship, per se, but agreed responsibility.
Tough love humility.
perasonally, i have nothing against the discussion of mj, but do think all subjects shouldnt be incrimanating to the point of saying smoking has occured, but more for the intellectual discussion of matters. the theory and not the practice. i.e if one reads an interesting article on mj and wants to discuss it and so forth
same goes for shrooms, not talk of activity but of the science around it and identification purposes, not illegal to be intereste din local mycology.
13..yeh too young, but maybe some sort of particion like spf had, where only members could acces some boards but visitors could view the rest, a 13yr old entrance to the site to browse and possibly ask a question or 2, but limit membership 2 adults? dunno how well this would work, but maybe a bit of tolerance if it is only a rare occuranmce? i dunno, jus bouncing ideas
Is somebody high?
Change the age to 18 or 21 or WTF is considered legal age for wherever this server is located.
Sure, anyone may lie about their age and just press a button to join. It is entirely another friggin thing to ONLY require membership below legal age.
Geez friggin tap dancing Lazirus. The idea stinks so bad Ray Charles can see it...and he's dead!
I will have to vote 'NO!' on m forum. That was not at the ol place. It has no place here. There are forums for that.
Geez, it sux gettin' ol' don't it?
I now have to go pour gasoline all over meself and stand near a campfire. Anyone wanna go?
Fin
thats not the registration age. thats the coppa form age.
to clear that up. its a phpbb legal feature and is integrated into phpbb.
no one EVER set the age at 13.
an admin just has to make some changes still to the DEFAULT legal wording.
and could somebody please extinguish finbar?
thanks...
Laughingwillow, hello1 :D
I dont know where the idea for the cannabis forum appeared and have share similar reservations but lets try and stick together and thin it through rather than splitapart and form another site.
I agree something like the old SPF is what we want, so lets do that and people can furthur discuss furthur elements. I made a post entitled 'LETS GET THIS SHIP SHAPE' lets try and keep discussion all in one place on this and sort i t out
Booosh
The number of MJ fans is millions, right?
The number of Spirit Plants (the plants, not the board) fans is thousands, right?
Thereby, Spirit Plants fans need their own few homes without a large intrusion by MJ fans. If MJ fans on the MJ boards want to let a few others in to talk about plants other than MJ, I can understand that.
I cannot understand wanting to increase the burden of having a few overrun by many, if that is what ends up happening by creating a MJ forum within Spirit Plants (the board). I have nothing against MJ. I would be bummed to see the site exceed bandwith and server space because it becomes too popular though and all this resurrection has to occur, again.
I don't like the way this went down but to be honest, its none of my bidness. And you guys proved that by setting up this forum in chat. To be honest, at this point, I don't have much faith in cen, nitro or cassie keeping this place safe and they appear to be site management.
You guys do what you want. I'm not going to beg anyone to change their vision. But my desire is to set up a place like our old haunts and this sure as shite isn't it.
lw
To clarify my opinion, rather poorly expressed above:
If someone has a question, information to share or a story to tell involving cannabis, and can express themselves without incriminating themselves, fine. Such posts can definitely fall within the bounds of at least one of the forum categories we've used in the past. I don't think we really need a forum devoted to cannabis.
Oh yeah, and no 13 year olds. :)
respectfully,
X. Torris
Ah yes, to clear up that, it is just a technical feature of the BBS, im sure something can be sorted on that. And i dont think anyone is in disagreement that under 18's should be welcomed.
I would havre to side personally without the cannabis forum. Mainly because theres so many 'specialist' cannabis forums out there.
I dont have so much of a problem with the 'experience forum' I can see that folks in america are alot more paranoid that the rest of us and for that I dont mind if it was to go..it must be noted we are no longer hosted on an american server though.
Booosh
We may not be hosted in the U$, but that's where the majority of us reside. And I live in one of the more strict states.
I would never register my nick (lw) on a cannabis forum. And I wouldn't have registered here if the powers-who-be would have given us any inkling during forum discussions of the plans for this site ahead of time.
lw
....... meanwhile, I plan on moving ahead with the idea of setting up another forum in the spirit of spf. I'm sure peeps will be happy to have a little variety. The quicker we get this settled, the quicker you'se folks can get back onto chat.
lw
You forget it was us folks in chat that put this place back up, either start being constructive and argue your points in a coherent un petty way or ( removes rude words and apologises ) Eitherway stop spitting your dummie, we are trying to resolve this properly, it was not some great conspiracy to form a cannabis forum whilst LW was away.
Bushpig
clearly the mj forum must go
as for the age thing, you must surely realise that it doesn't matter what age you are, illegal drugs are illegal. The 13 age limit refers to all internet use for two way communication, not specific to this place. and in my opinion, people should not, nor can they, be screened out for their age. In actual fact the general lowest age that turns up is about 16, which also happens to be the age of consent in many countries. I'm sure that it's easy to fix up the age thing, but that is simply indemnity to ensure no children are coming in, it's to protect them from online paedophiles... If an age limit is stipulated it should be 16 or 13. Ethnobotany australia, and several other entheogen forums which use phpbb2 and other forum software also have the 13 age thing on them.
laughingwillow, you should have the decency to realise that this forum has been thrown together to fill a void, and you are being extremely ungrateful for the efforts being made by andy and nitroburn and bushping and all the rest of us. if it wasn't for the chatroom there would still be no forum at all. They are doing their best and it is a difficult situation with no clear mandate for anyone, so bear with us as we undergo the process of consensus decision making.
I have nothing constructive to say on the matter. You folks in chat put it up and can have it. I'm not asking you to change the format. That's none of my bidness. But like I said before, I never would have registered at this place knowing it was going to become an mj forum.
Cen asked for our trust. I trusted. This place has nothing to do with spf. I'm not sticking around long enough to watch you folks' next move, as I have no confidence in this admin.
So long.
lw
you are behaving in a mean, petty and vindictive way lw, it sticks in my craw to think you think you have the gall to criticise about age when you show such a lack of maturity. did i not say that the mj forum should go, i agree with the arguments put forward supporting this.
best of luck finding people who would want to be a part of a forum that you run.
Well I see LW has some strong opinions on the subject. I don't think he's neccisarily wanting to bump heads though. I also see where your coming from Loki. You certainly cut to the quick in your own way.
I'd like to state that I have no reason to complain. :D I feal most comforted and pleased to see most here thanks to the efforts of a few.
I think LW is getting at how the old spiritplants forum(not neccisarily the chat), to us filled a very specific niche. An ideal maybe......... one that few other forums filled for us. (not to say I don't visit most all of them for their own pearls.)
yep
Avery L. Breath
i personally hang out in places because of the people there, not the rules of the place. rules are to support the goals of the people who are in there. i feel that there is a point to the idea of not having certain forums because of their heavy usage and low grade of user in other places, but you can turn it around - i for one wouldn't be caught dead in overgrow or at the shroomery, but i may still want to post on the topics they cover. so it's not so simple. why not let's leave it there and see what it attracts? If it's a piece of shit the flies will be here soon enough.
I think one clear point that LW puts forward here is about loyalty. There is plenty of anonymous every fool and his dog sites and forums out there, points of distinction are hard to make, but i know one distinction that we could make for this site: that it isn't just another forum full of flame wars and agitators and little hitlers.
With all due respect, I think I'm more interested in keaping the old heads then attracting new ones....... well, both is ideal really, but I don't think I'd want to loose the old croud to accomodate the new ones. (i.e. just over a silly cannabis forum.) Hell, we can still talk about it...... never stopped us before. It's just an art dedicated to what and with whom.
At this point, I think it's all about face........ and saving it. Think of it this way, no self respecting botanical store would put a big pot leaf on their door.
i wasn't referring to attracting new people, more to offering the old school a place to do something that they wouldn't want to go elsewhere to do. Would *you* post at the shroomery or overgrow? Are *you* interested in talking about cannabis or shrooms now and then? Do you think that the vibe of this place can be diluted by expanding the range of topics?
One solution we can offer is that we put these forums into invite only, so that people can only see them if the administrators of them give access to a user upon request. It is simple to make such forums, in the backend of phpbb2.
"I don't have much faith in cen, nitro or cassie keeping this place safe and they appear to be site management."
Well thanks for lumping me in there. Really, thanks LW.
I've deregistered and am no longer an admin so no, i'm not part of the site management.
and as for safe.. Its never not been safe. Its fun to think the DEA is after us all, but really, free speech isn't illegal yet. To bad some want to give it up without a fight.
Guys, this thing is just starting to take shape. I think the problem we had was moving to fast. We can carve this into anything we want, and I remember soliciting your input, LW.
We are all so anti-authoritarian around here, but how can this thing work? A democracy? anarchy? I hope we can move in the direction of unity rather than splintering.
We landed on this island, what kind of world do we want to make?
I agree with LW to an extent, the cannabis forum is glaringly out of place here. I think I will still lurk around here, however. Just because I don't like one room of the house doesn't mean its not home.
stop talking like the cannabis forum still exists
it existed for all of a couple hours till the mistake and misunderstanding was fixed. Well, the mistake was fixed anyways maybe not the misunderstanding.
my mistake, I didn't even look
I agree with no cannabis forum. If someone wants to talk about it in a non incriminating way, there are forums already here to do it in. As for talking about cultivation, I think that's a mistake. It would be talking about an ongoing felony for one thing. As has been said, it would draw a lot of unwanted attention. We do not want to be known as just another pot site. There are lots of places that do that very thing already.
is marijuana that important that it somehow devalues all importance of everything around it? 1 forum regarding mj among 20 forums, that does not 'another pot site' make. And as for attention, overgrow is not going to disappear and I doubt people would start thinking of SPF as, "that place with the marijuana forum".
but, that said, im not calling for it back with all this opposition. makes me feel like i'm going to be demanded to sit at the back of the bus. Even before the forum i got a pm asking if I even cared about spiritplants or if I was just a pothead.
we here are obviously not immune to stereotypes.
Bet people saw the marijuana forum and imagined only posts on consumption and making bongs. At least thats seems to be what everyone was expecting. Not seeming to stop and concider others spiritual beliefs and how marijuana is a spiritplant to many people. If you tie in the spirituality and enlightenment with the marijuana it promotes a seriousness on the subject, not just consumption oriented posts.
marijuana is for many a spiritplant, and this has been true in many cultures for thousands of years...while the vocal consensus here for the time being precludes an mj forum, this does not mean that mj is not a serious matter for many, and will be discussed here as elsewhere with complete legitimacy...
My aim is to see SPF have the forums it had before the collapse, I have no objections to the new 'dream' forum. As far as the Cannabis forum and the 'experience ' forum i am easy either way. What dissapoints me is when something doesn't go someones way they threaten to uproot and leave, air enough, dont disrespect our efforts though.
Boooosh
the forums now more conform to the old list...hopefully people will see things getting to be more familiar and friendly to their tastes as time goes on...
It should not be going this way. Jrl speaks of landing on an island. Lucky that island was there,I truly do apprciatte.
Without going into detail,I am a little diispointed in some tone around here. Points could of been gotten accross,...well mabe someone had a bad day. but it sure wasn`t what I was reading at first.I Still think highly of LW and,in essence, hes prolly generally right,about the issues...
About the people, well,I couldn`t begin to speak, without first saying thanks. Thats where I fall on the matter.
For the edit,I do want to do add this;as I said in another post,other sites have mod/amin forums,sometimes scheduled in real time so all can be 'there'. There`s a sense in this ,it`s just not decision making in another'world'
A little clue,something has the capacity to be an excluive club. Not that there have not been cliques before. But with enough people and content,I personally always could work around that,lots of loners like me, and/or just good people. SPF was, and still is, that big.
LW, I hope you're still checking in ... if it makes any difference, I stopped in chat a couple nights ago and discussed some of the problems with SPF before the shut down some of the things that could be done with the new site and all that. One thing Cassie said over and over again was that we really need to go over all these things in the forums. It's a lot easier to dialogue, shoot the shit and bounce off ideas in a one on one, or one on 20 type situation in chat, very dynamic and conductive to a flow of ideas. I don't seen anything remotely like the power grab and imposition that characterized the actions at Edot that led to the rise of SPF, I see some folks who've been very active in the site and were willing and able to put the time in to bring this together and started doing something.
They're listening, they're hoping to bring us together and they're working on it ... from everything I can tell so far. They've also got people like me suggesting that perhaps the stagnation at SPF (you've got to admit that it's been a hell of a lot less lively and a hell of a lot less innovative and informative over the last year or two ) was due to folks moving onto other sites that are a little less restrictive with discussion of illicit activites. I know I've recently stumbled into a site or two where I finally started learning a shit load of interesting information, rather being one of the people answering basic cultivation and preparation questions again and again. I hear your points though and they've got merit. It's a discussion worth having though without just abandoning what's already been put together. That said, if you simply want to put together another site by all means do so, but there's no reason to set it up as divisively as you've started out.
I'm excited to see what will become of this. Though don't have anywhere near the time needed to really be an active participant.
conforms...
CJ: "other sites have mod/admin forums"
we have those too. mods and admins can see them.