Get this...
you have to know how dns works to get this.
*.Spiritplants.com uses NS1/2.PeerWeb.net to turn the domain into the IP address.
*.PeerWeb.com uses itself (NS1/2) and NS1/2.JetServers.com to resolve *.PeerWeb.com to an IP address
*.JetServers.com uses NS1/2.JetServers.com to resolve *.JetServers.com to and IP.
So what the hell?!
Well,
#1, JetServers.com has now expired. So, JetServers.com wont resolve to anything. When PeerWeb trys to look back at JetServers to figure out its own name, JetServers is gone, so it doesn't resolve. Then Spiritplants trys to resolve using PeerWeb. Its all a big mess.
Spiritplants ->> PeerWeb ->> JetServers
When you lookup SpiritPlants.com, It trys to use ns1.PeerWeb.net to resolve the host, but it can't even resolve the ns1.peerweb.net because it is relying on itself (???) and on JetServers. And then because jetservers is down, it messes everything up.
So i thiiiiiiiink that might be the issue.
Now where the heck in eddy to redo his Whois records!
Anyone have ANY clue what the old Server IP ADDRESS used to be?
The server could still be up and on the internet! Just not being resolved!!!!
we will see..........
Certainly sounds like an issue. Haven't the faintest what the IP address is. Wish I did.
Good work, nitrosleuth.
is the problem that php virus that google had. ethnobotany australia was down for a week with that, about the same time as spirit plants.
Yeah, 2 other forums I frequent also went down around the same time and when they got back up someone mentioned something about a virus hitting webboards or something like that. I haven't heard anything though.
-caul
QuoteAnyone have ANY clue what the old Server IP ADDRESS used to be?
The server could still be up and on the internet! Just not being resolved!!!!
we will see..........
64.233.179.104
Me thinks. Run googoo google search and type in "spiritplants + {insert topic you know exists there}" your nick will work, and then hit "cached". That is the DNS in the addy line.
Fin
Thats the IP for Google
-caul
Caw,
Thass why i iz not an airline pilot. Well, not one anymore.
Apparently, a thermos fulla Yeahgermister is frowned upon in tha cockpit. Who knew?
Fin
You must've gotten the pre-flight and in-flight routine mixed up. :)
Searching for spiritplants.com A record at m.root-servers.net [202.12.27.33]: Got referral to G.GTLD-SERVERS.NET. [took 199 ms]
Searching for spiritplants.com A record at G.GTLD-SERVERS.NET. [192.42.93.30]: Got referral to ns1.peerweb.net. [took 100 ms]
Searching for spiritplants.com A record at ns1.peerweb.net. [66.220.1.186]: Timed out. Trying again.
Searching for spiritplants.com A record at ns1.peerweb.net. [66.220.1.186]: Timed out. Trying again.
Searching for spiritplants.com A record at ns2.peerweb.net. [69.30.192.161]: Timed out. Trying again.
Searching for spiritplants.com A record at ns2.peerweb.net. [69.30.192.161]: Timed out. Trying again.
Searching for spiritplants.com A record at ns2.peerweb.net. [69.30.192.161]: Timed out. Trying again.
Searching for spiritplants.com A record at ns1.peerweb.net. [66.220.1.186]: Timed out. Trying again.
Searching for peerweb.net A record at k.root-servers.net [193.0.14.129]: Got referral to m.gtld-servers.net. [took 99 ms]
Searching for peerweb.net A record at m.gtld-servers.net. [192.55.83.30]: Got referral to ns2.jetservers.com. [took 247 ms]
Searching for peerweb.net A record at ns2.jetservers.com. [69.30.192.159]: Timed out. Trying again.
Searching for peerweb.net A record at ns2.peerweb.net. [69.30.192.161]: Timed out. Trying again.
Searching for peerweb.net A record at ns2.peerweb.net. [69.30.192.161]: Timed out. Trying again.
Searching for peerweb.net A record at ns2.peerweb.net. [69.30.192.161]: Timed out. Trying again.
Searching for peerweb.net A record at ns2.jetservers.com. [69.30.192.159]: Timed out. Trying again.
Searching for peerweb.net A record at ns1.jetservers.com. [66.220.1.186]: Timed out. Trying again.
Searching for jetservers.com A record at b.root-servers.net [192.228.79.201]: Got referral to I.GTLD-SERVERS.NET. [took 97 ms]
Searching for jetservers.com A record at I.GTLD-SERVERS.NET. [192.43.172.30]: Got referral to ns2.jetservers.com. [took 150 ms]
Searching for jetservers.com A record at ns2.jetservers.com. [69.30.192.159]: Timed out. Trying again.
Searching for jetservers.com A record at ns2.jetservers.com. [69.30.192.159]: Timed out. Trying again.
Searching for jetservers.com A record at ns2.jetservers.com. [69.30.192.159]: Timed out. Trying again.
Searching for jetservers.com A record at ns2.jetservers.com. [69.30.192.159]: Timed out. Trying again.
Searching for jetservers.com A record at ns2.jetservers.com. [69.30.192.159]: Timed out. Trying again.
Searching for jetservers.com A record at ns1.jetservers.com. [66.220.1.186]: Timed out. Trying again.
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Advanced Systems #1 [No cached answer: Would go to NS of com.]
Advanced Systems #2 [No cached answer: Would go to NS of com.]
AT&T Worldnet #1 [No cached answer: Would go to NS of com.]
AT&T Worldnet #2 [No cached answer: Would go to NS of com.]
AT&T Worldnet #1 [No cached answer: Would go to NS of com.]
AT&T Worldnet #2 [No cached answer: Would go to NS of com.]
Compuserve #1 [No cached answer: Would go to NS of (root)]
Compuserve #2 [No cached answer: Would go to NS of (root)]
Drizzle #1 [No cached answer: Would go to NS of com.]
Drizzle #2 [No cached answer: Would go to NS of ]
Earthlink #1 [No cached answer: Would go to NS of com.]
Earthlink #2 [No cached answer: it does have the NS records for spiritplants.com., with a TTL of 1d 14h 30m 25s]
Earthlink NetAxs #1 [No cached answer: Would go to NS of com.]
Earthlink NetAxs #2 [No cached answer: Would go to NS of com.]
GTE #1 [No cached answer: Would go to NS of com.]
GTE #2 [No cached answer: Would go to NS of com.]
IBMnet #1 [No cached answer: Would go to NS of com.]
IBMnet #2 [No cached answer: Would go to NS of com.]
Internet America #1 [No cached answer: Would go to NS of com.]
Internet America #2 [No cached answer: Would go to NS of com.]
Internet MCI #1 [No cached answer: Would go to NS of (root)]
MCI Internet #2 [No cached answer: Would go to NS of com.]
MCI Internet #2 [No cached answer: Would go to NS of com.]
MCI Worldcom #1 [No cached answer: Would go to NS of com.]
MCI Worldcom #2 [No cached answer: Would go to NS of com.]
Mindspring #1 [No cached answer: it does have the NS records for spiritplants.com., with a TTL of 19h 46m 31s]
Mindspring #2 [No cached answer: it does have the NS records for spiritplants.com., with a TTL of 2h 52m 17s]
OneWest Idaho #1 [No cached answer: Would go to NS of com.]
OneWest Idaho #2 [No cached answer: Would go to NS of com.]
OneWest Montana #1 [No cached answer: Would go to NS of com.]
OneWest Montana #2 [No cached answer: Would go to NS of com.]
OneWest Wyoming #1 [No cached answer: Would go to NS of ]
OneWest Wyoming #2 [No cached answer: Would go to NS of com.]
Prodigy Internet #1 [No cached answer: Would go to NS of com.]
Prodigy Internet #2 [No cached answer: Would go to NS of com.]
Qwest #1 [No cached answer: Would go to NS of com.]
Qwest #2 [No cached answer: Would go to NS of com.]
Roadrunner #1 [No cached answer: Would go to NS of com.]
Roadrunner #2 [No cached answer: Would go to NS of com.]
Southwestern Bell #1 [No cached answer: Would go to NS of com.]
Southwestern Bell #2 [No cached answer: Would go to NS of ]
SprintNet #1 [No cached answer: Would go to NS of com.]
Sprynet #1 [No cached answer: Would go to NS of (root)]
Sprynet #2 [No cached answer: Would go to NS of (root)]
Sprynet #1 [No cached answer: Would go to NS of com.]
Sprynet #2 [No cached answer: it does have the NS records for spiritplants.com., with a TTL of 19h 46m 31s]
Sympatico #1 [No cached answer: it does have the NS records for spiritplants.com., with a TTL of 43m 45s]
Touch America #1 [No cached answer: Would go to NS of com.]
Touch America #2 [No cached answer: Would go to NS of com.]
UUNet #1 TIMEOUT
UUNet #2 [No cached answer: Would go to NS of com.]
Can't find anything :(
Gawd,seems like you busted your butt trying to do something!
I don`t understand what it is,but I do understand effort.
Eddy owns the peerweb name or at least it comes to the same PO box i/we always used back at theforestfloor:
WHOIS information for peerweb.net:
[whois.srsplus.com]
peerweb.net
Registrant:
Cy Co. (cyco@cyco.biz (mailto:cyco@cyco.biz))
PO Box 910
Bucyrus, OH 44820
US
419-563-0205
BTW, not posting personal info---just what the whois server gave up.
I spoke to Eddy in the chatroom on December 15th when he said he would be away for a month. That month is almost over and i am half expecting him back any day.
If he returns we will have spiritplants.com back online but there have to some changes, so that this can never happen again.
If he doesn't return , i suggest we buy the domain name (in July) - Nitroburn has already expressed an interest in acquiring it and hosting it himself, which would certainly suit me. We could stay here until then ??
After some discussions with JRL, Cenacle and Bush i am liking the idea of an admin team which makes decisions by consensus and one or two technical people who have the keys to the website and enact these decisions.
I think its is preferable to have as the key-holders people who are 100% tried and true. Everyone is happy for nitroburn to be a key-holder and if Troutmask feels competent to be #2, i think he's our man. Our kind host, Andy@yage is also apropriate and if we had these 3 as key-holders we'd be in good hands.
Where decisions on contoversial issues were needed a meeting of the admin team would be called (at nitro's chat server). The suggestion mooted is that the team would consist of ex-moderators from spf and also long-standing and active members who were keen to be involved. (there would need to be a maximum number agreed on for effectiveness).
At present i am still in a state of dismay - to think that the archive is lost ...
:(
When i spoke to eddy last he said he would give nitroburn the keys to spf but he disappeared without doing so ... damnit!
He thinks the missing pics are still there somewhere and seemed happy for nitro to have a go at finding them all.
anyways .. for now i am still waiting and missing the old place a lot but i am so pleased that we have this home to be in for now...
many thanks andy!
Sounds like a plan, cassie.
But if I had a nickel for every time eddy said he was going to do something and then not coming through, I'd have coffee money in me pocket.
lw
it sounds good to me.
i like the minimum number of key holders with maximum access to chat for brainstorming.
hope eddy shows up so that some of the good old stuff can be archived in a safe place.
If not, not! Life goes on.
sand mandalas come and sand mandalas go.
But the energy remains and carries on.
(enough cliche for now, but never enough telling you all how glad i am to witness the blossoming)
judih
cassie: The only part of the plan I don't like is having to migrate a forum discussion to a chat server. I can forsee virtually no scenario that would be so important as to have a group meet online in real time. The idea of a specific group presenting opinions as time allows makes a lot more sense, imo.
And besides that....... I get the feeling that a lot of past spf decisions were made by eddy in chat while brainstorming with only god knows who. Forum bidness should remain in the forums, imo. That way, those making the decisions are also those using the forums.
lw
Good point; i agree. We could certainly hold the discussion on the forum and that would allow everyone to have a say who wanted to, then draw consensus from that in the same way one does irl .... finding the points of agreement and working thru points of disagreement.
what was lost along the way at SPF was trust, and communication...whether the conversation initiates at the chat or the forums is not so important as that it carries back and forth between them, and people feel like they are involved, their views heard...
and i personally would like the see the chat/forums/radio elements of the community more tightly integrated...betters each for the others...
The only way I'd prolly be interested in chat is using the system I've seen on a couple of boards where the chat automatically streams on a forum's pages. Otherwise, I don't really see what chat has to do with a forum any more than a telephone does.
lw
You are right about the communication problems, imo, cen. Discussing something in chat may be fine for some. But In the past, I got the idea that some decisions have been made in chat by eddy and various individuals on the fringe of this forum community. Anyway, plans get set in chat and then those who participate in the chat planning have a tendency to forget the forums once the "planning" is done. And then when the rubber hits the road, its the faithful forum members who were affected and not those mostly nterested in chatting on irc.
lw
lw--
chat streaming into the boards? cool...do you know where that could be gotten?
i understand your concerns, though, and talking 'trust' isn't the existence of it...i mean this url only exists because of an apparent breach of it...only time and persistence can change the way things have come to seem...we'll just have to try anew and see how it goes, eh? :wink:
I'm probably in a definite minority position here, but do let me point out that if a member has a finite limited acess to computer time (such as senor at the library).. Chat has virtually no value.... I try to hit all the forums in my limited time online, try to participate as able. Can't see any decisions being made, then applied by only chatters as being valid for the board members as a whole......... Don't get me wrong, I run my mouth whenever possible, it's just that; for me, chat is a non issue-------- senor
I see chat as an extension of the forum. and a more fleet way of communicating. Putting our heads together, or whatever.........
It's good place to bounce off each other, a step closer to eyeball to eyeball.
http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:HT ... l%22&hl=en (http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:HTG0hEjNGpMJ:forums.spiritplants.com/index.php%3Fshowtopic%3D11615%26view%3Dnew+%22spiritplants+%2B+do+you+think+you+can+tell%22&hl=en)
One I found.
Have we though about calling google to research thier cache for us? It'd prolly cost some, but worth a try. . .
the old site sure was pretty.
that was just one small thread. wonder how many mgs there are floating around googlespace.
Quite Judy. The old site skin had a nice feel to it, when i arrived i immediatly enjoyed the energy the contrast and content of course, let off....
Their must be alot of posts from old forum, getting shoved all around the mycellium of the net..:)
The chat would involve in an exchange that naturally feels more direct and one point could be shared , amongst many, and quikly. Depending on the effect and importance of the subject judged upon by board members, if not intented for chat only , it should be taken to the forum also for discussions,evidently but fom what i know thats what going
on. Meetings and such, i guess would be wise to be taken in the chat rooms weve to offer, for a good discussion amongst board members , and then the posting of subject and conclusive thoughts could be posted.
The forum stays the mother ship of all, the core of the Spirit of the Plants no doubt...
let's see how the forum evolves in all, with the new arrangements
when stable i guess their would be room
for lots of change to the skeleton Cheers WhiteShadow ;) ------------------------
Cheers WhiteShadow